ZECHARIAH 3:9: STONE BE SEVEN EYES.

anetazo said:

Zechariah 3:9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes; Who is this talking about. Joshua is Jesus. How about these 7 eyes. Ever hear of God's Elect ? How far out in boondocks is someone. The election are predestined, chosen before foundation of the world. Most people have free will. God's election don't have free will. See the distinction. Get dictionary and look up predestined and foreordained. Isaiah 65:9. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of judah an inheritor of My mountains: and Mine elect shall inherit it. Gods Elect have destiny. Their chosen before foundation of the world. The election will be priest's and judges during millennium. I know what I'm talking about. I have holy spirit. Romans 11:4. But what says the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed a knee to baal.

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The baal of our last generation is antichrist. God's election will not worship him. God's Election have holy spirit and seal of God. 11:7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeks for; but the Election hath obtained it, and Rest Were Blinded. Some people have spirit of slumber for their protection. God has the millennium for the spirtualty dead. They will be taught during millennium. God's Election earned this position in first earth age. This isn't favoritism or free hand out. Do your homework and study, ephesians chapter 1, zechariah chapter 3, romans chapter 8, chapter 11. Who are chosen before foundation of the world and predestined ?. What's their objective ? Do your homework.

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Prophecy is given in riddles, not clearly (Nu 12:8) and, therefore, can be interpreted in more than way.

The only rule for interpretation of unclear prophetic riddles is that the interpretation must be in agreement with NT apostolic teaching, for God's word does not contradict itself.

There is no millennium in the NT apostolic teaching.
And where do we find the first earth age in the NT, or in the OT?

Clare73 said:

There is no millennium in the NT apostolic teaching.

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So Revelation chapter 20 isn't considered "apostolic teaching"?

sawdust said:

So Revelation chapter 20 isn't considered "apostolic teaching"?

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Prophecy is given in unclear riddles (Nu 12:8), it is not didactical.

Rev 20 can be interpreted in more than one way, but only in one way that is in agreement with NT apostolic didactics.

Clare73 said:

Prophecy is given in unclear riddles (Nu 12:8), it is not didactical.

Rev 20 can be interpreted in more than one way, but only in one way that is in agreement with NT apostolic didactics.

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God spoke face to face with Moses just as he spoke face to face with John when conveying His Revelation. Trying to use that passage as an excuse that the book of Revelation is "given in unclear riddles" is disingenuous.

Revelation 1:12
Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

The Millennium is adequately discussed throughout the OT. Isaiah 67:17-25 is but one example. The Millenium is for people of the Earth, not for the people of Heaven which, is where the Church has her citizenship (Phil.3:20). I dare say this is why you think there is no Millennium.

Clare73 said:

Prophecy is given in unclear riddles (Nu 12:8), it is not didactical.

Rev 20 can be interpreted in more than one way, but only in one way that is in agreement with NT apostolic didactics.

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sawdust said:

God spoke face to face with Moses just as he spoke face to face with John when conveying His Revelation. Trying to use that passage as an excuse that the book of Revelation is "given in unclear riddles" is disingenuous.

Revelation 1:12
Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

The Millennium is adequately discussed throughout the OT. Isaiah 67:17-25 is but one example. The Millenium is for people of the Earth, not for the people of Heaven which, is where the Church has her citizenship (Phil.3:20). I dare say this is why you think there is no Millennium.

anetazo said:

Zechariah 3:9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes; Who is this talking about. Joshua is Jesus. How about these 7 eyes. Ever hear of God's Elect ? How far out in boondocks is someone. The election are predestined, chosen before foundation of the world. Most people have free will. God's election don't have free will. See the distinction. Get dictionary and look up predestined and foreordained. Isaiah 65:9. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of judah an inheritor of My mountains: and Mine elect shall inherit it. Gods Elect have destiny. Their chosen before foundation of the world. The election will be priest's and judges during millennium. I know what I'm talking about. I have holy spirit. Romans 11:4. But what says the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed a knee to baal. The baal of our last generation is antichrist. God's election will not worship him. God's Election have holy spirit and seal of God. 11:7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeks for; but the Election hath obtained it, and Rest Were Blinded. Some people have spirit of slumber for their protection. God has the millennium for the spirtualty dead. They will be taught during millennium. God's Election earned this position in first earth age. This isn't favoritism or free hand out. Do your homework and study, ephesians chapter 1, zechariah chapter 3, romans chapter 8, chapter 11. Who are chosen before foundation of the world and predestined ?. What's their objective ? Do your homework.

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This is how I see Zec 3:9 .

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# 1 Christ is the STONE , called the cornerstone in 1 Peter 2:6 .

#2 The word SEVEN / SEBA means COMPLETION , OR PERFECTION like in Gen 2:1-3

#3 In 1 Peter 2:4 , 6 , 7 8 Christ is called a chief corner stone

#4 The SEVEN to me means Christ eyes are in every place and that no one can HIDE from Him ,


danp

sawdust said:

God spoke face to face with Moses just as he spoke face to face with John when conveying His Revelation. Trying to use that passage as an excuse that the book of Revelation is "given in unclear riddles" is disingenuous.

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Do we have a statement in Rev to that effect?

Nu 12:8 is a statement from God of how he speaks to prophets.

sawdust said:

Revelation 1:12
Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

The Millennium is adequately discussed throughout the OT. Isaiah 67:17-25 is but one example. The Millenium is for people of the Earth, not for the people of Heaven which, is where the Church has her citizenship (Phil.3:20). I dare say this is why you think there is no Millennium.

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Nowhere do the apostles present two peoples of God.
To the contrary, they present only one people, the one olive tree of Ro 11, and into which it is Israel's destiny to be grafted back, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

Prophecy that is not interpreted in agreement with authoritative NT apostolic teaching is wrong interpretation, for God does not contradict himself.

Clare73 said:

Do we have a statement in Rev to that effect?

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Are you serious??????

I quoted you the verse that showed John speaking face to face with One like the Son of Man! Who do you think that was? Mickey Mouse?

Dan Perez said:

# 1 Christ is the STONE , called the cornerstone in 1 Peter 2:6 .

#2 The word SEVEN / SEBA means COMPLETION , OR PERFECTION like in Gen 2:1-3

#3 In 1 Peter 2:4 , 6 , 7 8 Christ is called a chief corner stone

#4 The SEVEN to me means Christ eyes are in every place and that no one can HIDE from Him ,


danp

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I agree. I think the seven eyes are also a reference to Christ's "seeing" in the sense of understanding. He understood God and His plan perfectly. He understands us perfectly.

sawdust said:

Are you serious??????

I quoted you the verse that showed John speaking face to face with One like the Son of Man! Who do you think that was? Mickey Mouse?

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Okay, which of the two different meanings of "speak face to face" are you going to use?

1) speaking clearly, and not in riddles (Nu 12:8), or
2) visual (Rev 1:12).

And speaking of different meanings, that is the problem in the view of the human spirit as coming from the Holy Spirit.
There are two different meanings of "spiritual" involved, the wrong meaning being applied to the human spirit.

A "spirit" is immaterial, non-physical, non-corporeal, as are the angels, demons, and God.
Humans are not spirit, they are material, corporeal, but they have a spirit as part of their composition of body, soul, spirit.

"Spiritual" as used in the "vernacular" (i.e., outside the NT) means immaterial, non-physical, non-corporeal, as are all spirits.
However, that is not its usage and, therefore, meaning in the NT, where its usage is only "of/by Holy Spirit operation"
(Ro 1:11, 7:14, 15:27; 1 Co 2:13, 15, 3:1 9:11, 10:3, 4, 12:1, 14:1; Gal 6:1, Eph 1:3, 5:19, 6:12; Col 1:9, 3:16).

And that is where the problem lies in the view of the human spirit as coming from the Holy Spirit.
Because it is spirit, it is assumed to be spiritual (of/by Holy Spirit) operation), which it is not.
It is simply the principle of human life, animating the soul which animates the body.
What is spiritual is God's divine eternal life indwelling the immortal human spirit, it is not the immortal human spirit itself.

The human spirit itself is not spiritual (of/by Holy Spirit operation), it is natural (of human life),
as the demon spirit is not (NT) spiritual (of/by Holy Spirit operation), it is (the vernacular) spiritual (of spirit life).

Man is born with his immortal human spirit deprived of God's divine eternal life, which is spiritual death; i.e., without the Holy Spirit.
Man is raised to new spiritual life in his "first resurrection," which is the return of what was lost in the fall--God's divine eternal life in his immortal human spirit,
and raised to new human life in his "second" resurrection, which is the return of what was lost in the fall--immortal human life to his human physical spiritual (sinless, immortal, glorious by operation of the Holy Spirit) body.

So the immortal human spirit is not spiritual (of/by Holy Spirit operation) until God's divine eternal life is re-imparted to it in the new birth (of/by Holy Spirit operation), just as
our physical bodies are not spiritual (of/by Holy Spirit operation) until the resurrection of our physical spiritual (sinless immortal, glorious) body (of/by Holy Spirit operation).

Clare73 said:

Okay, which of the two different meanings of "speak face to face" are you going to use?

1) speaking clearly, and not in riddles (Nu 12:8), or
2) visual (Rev 1:12).

And speaking of different meanings, that is the problem in the view of the human spirit as coming from the Holy Spirit.
There are two different meanings of "spiritual" involved, the wrong meaning being applied to the human spirit.

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You want to disagree with what I present that's fine but to pretend as if I said nothing, that's just plain rude in my book.

Next you'll be telling us nature isn't natural.

sawdust said:

You want to disagree with what I present that's fine but to pretend as if I said nothing, that's just plain rude in my book.

Next you'll be telling us nature isn't natural.

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I'm sorry for causing you to feel rudeness. Best I can tell, I like you. It took me awhile to realize the ground of our difference,
this difference usually being the issue in physical vs. spiritual resurrection. I'd never encountered it in regard to the human spirit.

And can you help me out? What have you said that I have not now addressed?

Likewise, if you want to be more than flippant, the following Biblical demonstration of the NT meaning of "spiritual" as "of/by Holy Spirit operation" needs to be addressed by showing where the NT uses "spiritual" to mean" immaterial, non-physical, non-corporeal."

"Spiritual" as used in the "vernacular" (i.e., outside the NT) means immaterial, non-physical, non-corporeal, as are all spirits.
However, that is not its usage and, therefore, meaning in the NT, where its usage is only "of/by Holy Spirit operation"
(Ro 1:11, 7:14, 15:27; 1 Co 2:13, 15, 3:1 9:11, 10:3, 4, 12:1, 14:1; Gal 6:1, Eph 1:3, 5:19, 6:12; Col 1:9, 3:16).

The 7 eyes on the stone represent the 7 Spirits of the Lord. They are the same as seen on the Lamb that was slain in.

Revelation 5:6

6And I saw [c]between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are [d]the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

The stone is the Cornerstone spoken of by Isaiah the prophet and further clarification is given in 1 Peter 2:4-6



Isaiah 28:16

16Therefore this is what the Lord [n]GOD says:
“Behold, I am laying a stone in Zion, a tested stone,
A precious cornerstone for the foundation, [o]firmly placed.
The one who believes in it will not be [p]disturbed.

They are they same Spirits that the Branch and Root of David/Jesse have upon Him

In Isaiah 11:1-6

The same Spirits we see the Lord has in

Revelation 3:1



To the angel of the church in Sardis write:

He who has [a]the seven spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, and yet you are dead.

They are synonymous with the 7 Lamps in the vision Zechariah 4:2-3, which represents the word of the Lord to one of the 2 witnesses

Revelation 4:5

5Out from the throne *came flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are [c]the seven spirits of God;

The 7 eyes that see the the preparation to purify the Living stone by removing the dross in Zechariah 4:10. A foreshadowing of the purification to come.

10For who has shown contempt for the day of small things? [d]But these seven will rejoice when they see the [e]plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—they are the eyes of the LORD roaming throughout the earth.”

Oh, it’s not a plummet In the hand of Zerubbabel. There is a word for plummet and it is not tin and stone. It is a living stone, with impurities as a foreshadowing of what will occur.



Just as the stone in Zechariah 3:9 with the 7 Spirits symbolizes the Cornerstone, so does the stone in the hand of Zerubbabel symbolize a living stone. Difference, Cornerstone has the 7 Spirits, and no sin (dross/tin). Living stone has sin, being depicted as dross/Tin in Zechariah 4:10. Living stone needs to be “smelted” of impurities.