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Alaskan Lawmaker censured for asking if fatal child abuse saves taxpayers money

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Experts testified before Alaska lawmakers Monday about the widespread, long-term harm child abuse has on the state — to the economy, to the workforce and to taxpayers when traumatized children and the adults they grow up to be rely on government services.

But, in questioning one of those experts, state Rep. David Eastman (R) zeroed in on a possible “benefit.”

“How would you respond to the argument that I have heard on occasion where, um, in the case where child abuse is fatal, obviously it’s not good for the child, but it’s actually a benefit to society because there aren’t needs for government services and whatnot over the whole course of that child’s life?” Eastman said.

In the days since the committee meeting, Eastman’s remarks have caused an uproar. His colleagues called them “despicable,” “atrocious” and “indefensible.” On Wednesday, the Alaska House of Representatives voted 35-1 to censure him.

[Eastman also has the distinction of being the first Alaskan lawmaker to be censured. Not for this, but for comments in 2017 that some Alaskans try to get pregnant “so that they can get a free trip to the city” to get an abortion.]
 

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I’d have to know where he was coming from, but I’ve heard, on more than one occasion, the argument that abortion has been a net benefit for certain crime and economic statistics. So, his question isn’t necessarily all that wacky.
 
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I’d have to know where he was coming from, but I’ve heard, on more than one occasion, the argument that abortion has been a net benefit for certain crime and economic statistics. So, his question isn’t necessarily all that wacky.
Malcolm gladwell spoke of that in one of his books...maybe freakanomics.


More specifically that the introduction of abortion triggered the decline in crime rates a couple decades later that we had been going through for a while.
 
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If the man was trying to sarcastically point out that the perceived benefit to society ought not to be the reason that we oppose abusing others, then I would say his words were not entirely off the mark. That is if the experts are trying to posit that a society's moral compass should be based upon what it costs the government to take care of people. Which seems to be a possible implication of the expert testimony from the quote.
Experts testified before Alaska lawmakers Monday about the widespread, long-term harm child abuse has on the state — to the economy, to the workforce and to taxpayers when traumatized children and the adults they grow up to be rely on government services.

A society that bean counts in order to decide whether something is wrong or not is not one I would feel comfortable living in.
 
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....“How would you respond to the argument that I have heard on occasion where, um, in the case where child abuse is fatal, obviously it’s not good for the child, but it’s actually a benefit to society because there aren’t needs for government services and whatnot over the whole course of that child’s life?” Eastman said.
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Hard to know what his own sympathies with this idea are - or exactly who he thinks holds that view. I guess youd have look at his larger public record for context.
 
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If the man was trying to sarcastically point out that the perceived benefit to society ought not to be the reason that we oppose abusing others, then I would say his words were not entirely off the mark. That is if the experts are trying to posit that a society's moral compass should be based upon what it costs the government to take care of people. Which seems to be a possible implication of the expert testimony from the quote.


A society that bean counts in order to decide whether something is wrong or not is not one I would feel comfortable living in.
What if, instead of a "society" it is a health insurance company?
 
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I’d have to know where he was coming from, but I’ve heard, on more than one occasion, the argument that abortion has been a net benefit for certain crime and economic statistics. So, his question isn’t necessarily all that wacky.
I think there's some of that implied in his poorly phrased question. But also his previous comment about abortions clearly shows where his mindset is coming from. He doesn't want to pay for other people's bad behavior.

Unfortunately, he took that old conservative saw about wanting to make government so small you can drown it in a bathtub, and started applying it literally to other people's children.
 
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What if, instead of a "society" it is a health insurance company?
I cannot say I have ever considered living in an insurance company before. If I were ever to happen to find myself living in an insurance company and I found it only would be against abuse if it could be shown that abuse was a financial burden, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable living in that insurance company. I would say that moving out of that insurance company would probably be much easier than moving out of society.
 
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