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When is the tribulation/persecution for followers of Jesus ? According to Jesus ? i.e. in the Bible....

Jacob's trouble, by definition, is for those descended from the loins of Jacob.

According to Jesus, its Matthew 15:24.
 
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Different from man's way of thinking, of course.

Perfect God's Way. Absolutely.

The Great Tribulation, or Jacob's trouble, is a period of intense persecution for the descendants of Jacob.

It does not follow that every time you are being persecuted, you are therefore in Jacob's trouble.

Would you agree?
 
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The Great Tribulation, or Jacob's trouble, is a period of intense persecution for the descendants of Jacob.

It does not follow that every time you are being persecuted, you are therefore in Jacob's trouble.

Would you agree?
Not with you today, no. Where you are coming from or whatever, I don't know.
 
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Not with you today, no. Where you are coming from or whatever, I don't know.

I am saying you are committing the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

If P: Jacob's trouble Q: Persecution,

you are saying

P implies Q
Q
Therefore P.
 
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As , among other things, "many are called" ?
Some are unaware of the presence of God. Others are aware of God’s miracles and calling, but are unable to trust and obey.
 
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