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Awkward Silence After MSNBC Anchor Interrupts Reporter Who Said 'Pro-Life'

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Oh I see the agenda is to discourage the use of the term "pro-life" now.

I'll be opposing this agenda.
If “pro-life” is simply “anti-abortion” and nothing else, it’s anti-abortion. Own it.
 
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If “pro-life” is simply “anti-abortion” and nothing else, it’s anti-abortion. Own it.
Pro-life doesn't need to be anything else. We call it pro-life, we always have and we always will, regardless of the left-wing agenda to ban words that people use.
 
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Pro-life doesn't need to be anything else. We call it pro-life, we always have and we always will, regardless of the left-wing agenda to ban words that people use.
True, you’re allowed to call your movement (that doesn’t call for increased funding for food, outright monetary support, (paid) parental leave or anything to “help” new (or even old) parents anything whatsoever) whatever you like. So “pro-life” it is!
 
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True, you’re allowed to call your movement (that doesn’t call for increased funding for food, outright monetary support, (paid) parental leave or anything to “help” new (or even old) parents anything whatsoever) whatever you like. So “pro-life” it is!
Yes, because none of those things are "pro-life".
 
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Wait, I thought demanding to be referred to by specific words was some of that frozen precipitation nonsense?
 
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Wait, I thought demanding to be referred to by specific words some of that frozen precipitation nonsense?
That’s different. (I’m sure)
 
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This narrative that pro life people do not support any form of aid for single mothers etc. is standard narrow woke mindset. Many pro life people have also supported social welfare policies for people struggling with poverty. In my home state of Pennsylvania, the late pro life ( democrat!) governor Robert Casey was such an example.




Casey was best known for leading the anti-abortion wing of the Democratic Party, taking the lead in fighting Planned Parenthood v. Casey, a major Supreme Court case that upheld almost all the prohibitions on abortion that Casey signed into law. He championed unions, believed in government as a beneficent force, and supported gun rights.[3]


Casey brought what he called an "activist government" to Pennsylvania, expanding health care services for women, introducing reforms to the state's welfare system, and introducing an insurance program for uninsured children (which became a model for the successful SCHIP program later adopted nationwide). House Bill 20, entitled the Children's Health Insurance Act, created the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in Pennsylvania. According to PA's CHIP website, "Pennsylvania's CHIP program would later be used as the model for the federal government's SCHIP program. Legislation for the federal CHIP program was signed into law August 5, 1997 by former President Bill Clinton."[15


 
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This narrative that pro life people do not support any form of aid for single mothers etc. is standard narrow woke mindset. Many pro life people have also supported social welfare policies for people struggling with poverty. In my home state of Pennsylvania, the late pro life ( democrat!) governor Robert Casey was such an example.




Casey was best known for leading the anti-abortion wing of the Democratic Party, taking the lead in fighting Planned Parenthood v. Casey, a major Supreme Court case that upheld almost all the prohibitions on abortion that Casey signed into law. He championed unions, believed in government as a beneficent force, and supported gun rights.[3]


Casey brought what he called an "activist government" to Pennsylvania, expanding health care services for women, introducing reforms to the state's welfare system, and introducing an insurance program for uninsured children (which became a model for the successful SCHIP program later adopted nationwide). House Bill 20, entitled the Children's Health Insurance Act, created the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in Pennsylvania. According to PA's CHIP website, "Pennsylvania's CHIP program would later be used as the model for the federal government's SCHIP program. Legislation for the federal CHIP program was signed into law August 5, 1997 by former President Bill Clinton."[15


Yes, Casey redefined Roe and got away from the “trimester” system and went with “viability” to demarcate where a woman’s right to “choose” began to end and the state could force her to bear a child. (Unpaid, of course, a violation of the 13th Amendment. Huh.)
 
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If “pro-life” is simply “anti-abortion” and nothing else, it’s anti-abortion. Own it.
If pro-choice is simply "pro-elimination of life in the womb" and nothing else, it's pro death. Own it.

See how that works? If you want the preferred term "pro-choice" used, then you use the preferred term under which the other person identifies, "pro-life", in this case.

In reality, there are nuances to each, so that should be recognized. Pro-life people DO believe that babies in the womb ought to have a chance at life wherever possible, but recognize that there are (should be infrequent) instances in which that can't happen. Pro-choice people DO believe that their issue is that the mother of the life in the womb have the choice whether to carry it, and not have that imposed by government.
 
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Pro-life doesn't need to be anything else. We call it pro-life, we always have and we always will, regardless of the left-wing agenda to ban words that people use.
But then why are is that group alright with women dying in child birth? Doesn't sound prolife.
 
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But then why are is that group alright with women dying in child birth? Doesn't sound prolife.
1 out of 3 deaths during childbirth are preventable according to the CDC... Which decreases the 0.017% of deaths down to 0.005% of deaths from childbirth in the United States.

...in other words, there's a better chance of getting struck by lightening than from dying during child birth in the United States.
 
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If they are preventable, why are they not prevented?
The leading cause is suicide/drug overdose. Which can be found in the link under "key findings".

 
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1 out of 3 deaths during childbirth are preventable according to the CDC... Which decreases the 0.017% of deaths down to 0.005% of deaths from childbirth in the United States.

...in other words, there's a better chance of getting struck by lightening than from dying during child birth in the United States.
I am going to ask you to show your work.
 
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The leading cause is suicide/drug overdose. Which can be found in the link under "key findings".

Um, what? Are you saying that the one in three deaths during childbirth is due to suicide and drug overdose? I find that implausible. What I found in your CDC article was:
Key Findings:
Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 22% of deaths occurred during pregnancy, 25% occurred on the day of delivery or within 7 days after, and 53% occurred between 7 days to 1 year after pregnancy.
The leading underlying causes of pregnancy-related death include:
  • Mental health conditions (including deaths to suicide and overdose/poisoning related to substance use disorder) (23%)
  • Excessive bleeding (hemorrhage) (14%)
  • Cardiac and coronary conditions (relating to the heart) (13%)
  • Infection (9%)
  • Thrombotic embolism (a type of blood clot) (9%)
  • Cardiomyopathy (a disease of the heart muscle) (9%)
  • Hypertensive disorders of pregnancy (relating to high blood pressure) (7%)
The leading underlying cause of death varied by race and ethnicity. Cardiac and coronary conditions were the leading underlying cause of pregnancy-related deaths among non-Hispanic Black people, mental health conditions were the leading underlying cause for Hispanic and non-Hispanic White people, and hemorrhage was the leading underlying cause for non-Hispanic Asian people.
I don't see anything about suicide during childbirth...but within a year of giving birth...would this be untreated post-partum depression/psychosis? Then you had stated, "None of those things [meaning increased funding for food, outright monetary support, (paid) parental leave or anything to “help” new (or even old) parents] are 'pro-life'"...It seems that they clearly are.
 
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I am going to ask you to show your work.
There are 800 deaths in the US each year during childbirth. Which is 17 out of every 100,000.

Then if we clean up the 3 out of 4 (which was actually 4 out of 5) according to the CDC, that drops it down much less. My math may not have been perfect, but what's the percentage of say 4 out of every 100,000..?
 
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