Israel revokes residency and deports Palestinian activist over ‘breach of allegiance’

essentialsaltes · Dec 18, 2022

Israel revoked the residency of a Palestinian activist and deported him to France Sunday over what it called a “breach of allegiance to the State of Israel,” threatening to spark a diplomatic fight with Paris and amplifying international condemnations of Israeli policies toward Palestinians under occupation.

Salah Hammouri, a French Palestinian lawyer and activist, was deported to France at 6 a.m. local time on orders given by right-wing Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked. She has accused him of having ties to a banned militant group, though he has not been charged in the current proceedings.

Following a years-long process that France has repeatedly objected to, the deportation comes as Israel prepares to swear in the most far-right government in its history. Among its highest-ranking members is Itamar Ben Gvir, the radical leader of the Jewish Power Party, who has promised to expel “disloyal” citizens as part of his platform to reassert sovereignty amid the escalating Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Since March, Hammouri had been held in administrative detention, a legal category in which Israel holds thousands of suspected Palestinian militants for undefined periods of time, without charge or trial. When his administrative detention expired early this month, Shaked announced the decision to revoke his citizenship and deport him.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Dec 18, 2022

Salah Hammouri works for Addameer, which Israel designated as a terrorist organisation.

essentialsaltes · Dec 18, 2022

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Salah Hammouri works for Addameer, which Israel designated as a terrorist organisation.

Is that grounds for revoking someone's citizenship, especially someone not charged with any crime?

I mean, it'd be beneficial for America to eject any members of the Oath Keepers, Army of God, and Atomwaffen, but I don't think it's legal. Most of the similar cases in the US are technically about immigration fraud -- they lied about their connection to terrorist groups when they became US citizens. So their citizenship was revoked.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Dec 18, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
Is that grounds for revoking someone's citizenship, especially someone not charged with any crime?

I mean, it'd be beneficial for America to eject any members of the Oath Keepers, Army of God, and Atomwaffen, but I don't think it's legal. Most of the similar cases in the US are technically about immigration fraud -- they lied about their connection to terrorist groups when they became US citizens. So their citizenship was revoked.

Salah Hammouri never had Israeli citizenship. What was revoked is his residential status.

essentialsaltes · Dec 18, 2022

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Salah Hammouri never had Israeli citizenship. What was revoked is his residential status.

essentialsaltes said:
When his administrative detention expired early this month, Shaked announced the decision to revoke his citizenship and deport him.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Dec 18, 2022

That's why you read more than just 1 newspaper.

"Mr Hammouri holds French citizenship through his mother. He held residency rights in Jerusalem which can be revoked by authorities. He does not hold Israeli citizenship."

Salah Hammouri: Israel deports Palestinian lawyer to France

Israel says Salah Hamouri is a member of a terror group and has planned attacks on the state.

www.bbc.com

"Hamouri, 37, a Jerusalem resident without Israeli citizenship, had his residency status revoked on Dec. 1 on charges that he was active in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, classified by Israel and its Western allies as a terror group."

Israel deports Palestinian lawyer Salah Hamouri to France over security, interior ministry says

By Emily Rose

www.euronews.com

"Born in Jerusalem, Hammouri does not have Israeli nationality, but he held a residency permit that Israeli authorities revoked."

Israel expels French-Palestinian lawyer Salah Hammouri

Israel expelled French-Palestinian lawyer Salah Hammouri on Sunday morning, after holding him in administrative detention since March.

www.newarab.com

"Hamouri, 37, a lifelong Jerusalem resident without Israeli citizenship, arrived in Paris on a Sunday morning flight from Tel Aviv"

Salah Hamouri’s deportation from Israel ‘against the law’, says France

French-Palestinian human rights lawyer had been held in prison without charge since March

www.theguardian.com

Even Wikipedia states that he has no Israeli citizenship.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 18, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
Is that grounds for revoking someone's citizenship, especially someone not charged with any crime?

I mean, it'd be beneficial for America to eject any members of the Oath Keepers, Army of God, and Atomwaffen, but I don't think it's legal. Most of the similar cases in the US are technically about immigration fraud -- they lied about their connection to terrorist groups when they became US citizens. So their citizenship was revoked.

I think there's a couple different aspects at play here that make this whole situation messy.

Salah Hamouri - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

First and foremost, he has a track record (and not a good one) - several prior arrests, ties to the French Communist Party, he was a prior member of a designated terrorist organization, as well has someone who voiced support for the PLO.

He has duel nationality (something that's not applicable for most of the Oath Keepers and Army of God members)

That said, these kinds of things happening without the type of due process we're used to in the US leaves a bad taste...but then again, if we were a country that literally every other country in the region wanted to "eradicate" and "wipe off the face of the map" and referred to as a "cancer in the region", there's a good chance that we would have some more draconian laws on matters of "prominent advocates for the entities who want to see us destroyed"

Friedrich Rubinstein · Dec 18, 2022

ThatRobGuy said:
He has duel nationality

Note that his dual nationality is "French" and "Palestinian", not Israeli. He only had an Israeli identity card (=residence permit) which can be legally revoked any time.

Always in His Presence · Dec 18, 2022

So a resident who is a citizen from another country is deported for connections to a terrorist organization and somehow that is a bad thing.

How long before the left recognized Israel as a sovereign nation?

essentialsaltes · Dec 18, 2022

It looks like, while it's correct that he had no Israeli citizenship, the situation is actually worse than I thought.

Like most others born in (East) Jerusalem, he has no Israeli citizenship. Coming from the occupied territories, he is essentially stateless, except that he has French citizenship through one parent. And it's on that basis he's being deported to France. Other Jerusalemites are essentially stateless.

Pommer · Dec 18, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
It looks like, while it's correct that he had no Israeli citizenship, the situation is actually worse than I thought.

Like most others born in (East) Jerusalem, he has no Israeli citizenship. Coming from the occupied territories, he is essentially stateless, except that he has French citizenship through one parent. And it's on that basis he's being deported to France. Other Jerusalemites are essentially stateless.

That’s because a country cannot abuse its own citizens without being a tyranny; if they’re not citizens, there’s no tyranny.

parousia70 · Dec 23, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
It looks like, while it's correct that he had no Israeli citizenship, the situation is actually worse than I thought.

Like most others born in (East) Jerusalem, he has no Israeli citizenship. Coming from the occupied territories, he is essentially stateless, except that he has French citizenship through one parent. And it's on that basis he's being deported to France. Other Jerusalemites are essentially stateless.

Which I find super weird…
Some guy Born in Brooklyn who moves to Israel when he is 40 gets granted citizenship while another guy born in Jerusalem and living there for 40 years is not….

And that’s because….why?

parousia70 · Dec 23, 2022

parousia70 said:
Which I find super weird…
Some guy Born in Brooklyn who moves to Israel when he is 40 gets granted citizenship while another guy born in Jerusalem and living there for 40 years is not….

And that’s because….why?

Oh yeah.. it’s because apartheid.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Dec 23, 2022

parousia70 said:
Which I find super weird…
Some guy Born in Brooklyn who moves to Israel when he is 40 gets granted citizenship while another guy born in Jerusalem and living there for 40 years is not….

And that’s because….why?

That's a gross oversimplification of the situation on the ground. First of all, there is a clear difference between East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem. West Jerusalem is internationally recognized as part of the state of Israel, while East Jerusalem is not. Therefore you automatically get Israeli citizenship when born in West Jerusalem, but not when born in East Jerusalem. This shouldn't surprise anyone.

Second, every permanent resident of East Jerusalem can apply for Israeli citizenship. Many Palestinians in East Jerusalem don't recognize the state of Israel though and "protest" it by not applying for citizenship. Blaming Israel for that is ridiculous.

Third, by "some guy born in Brooklyn who moves to Israel" you're talking about someone who moved to internationally recognized parts of the state of Israel. Not the disputed areas like East Jerusalem. And even he has to apply for citizenship, it's not automatic.

DaisyDay · Dec 24, 2022

hislegacy said:
So a resident who is a citizen from another country is deported for connections to a terrorist organization and somehow that is a bad thing.

How long before the left recognized Israel as a sovereign nation?

He was not from another country being as he was born in Jerusalem.

Always in His Presence · Dec 24, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
Salah Hammouri, a French Palestinian lawyer and activist, was deported to France at 6 a.m.

DaisyDay said:
He was not from another country being as he was born in Jerusalem.

He is self identified as a French citizen. Was deported to the country of his citizenship.

Also, and I might be mistaken, the good ole US is one of the few countries where they have anchor babies

essentialsaltes · Dec 24, 2022

hislegacy said:
He is self identified as a French citizen.

Is he? How do we know how he self-identifies?

Always in His Presence · Dec 24, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
Is he? How do we know how he self-identifies?

From the words in your link

essentialsaltes · Dec 24, 2022

hislegacy said:
From the words in your link

No, that article was written by Shira Rubin, so we'd have to say he's "other identified" as a French citizen.

He does factually hold French citizenship, because his mother is French, but this does not tell us how he self identifies. He was born, has lived, and resided in Jerusalem, and wished to continue doing so.

Always in His Presence · Dec 24, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
No, that article was written by Shira Rubin, so we'd have to say he's "other identified" as a French citizen.

He does factually hold French citizenship, because his mother is French, but this does not tell us how he self identifies. He was born, has lived, and resided in Jerusalem, and wished to continue doing so.

Link to where he self identifies as Israeli and then show where people born in Israel are automatically given citizenship and you have made your point - until then -

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