Iran Morality Police ABOLISHED

Dave Darling · Dec 4, 2022

Hi everyone, fantastic news! After several months of nationwide protests the Iranian government has buckled under the pressure and have just agreed to abolish the hated muslim morality police in the country! WOW!!! This is a major victory for human rights and also the gospel of Christ in the country, this is cause for celebration! With the morality police gone I believe Iranian woman can now choose not to wear the hijab (muslim head scarf) or burqua (total body covering) without fear of arrest! This is a major blow to the religious government in Iran, maybe after decades of theocratic muslim rule islam will start to loose it's grip on the country! If you want to see the video of this story the link is here:

Jonaitis · Dec 4, 2022

Wow, that's news. They finally did it.

Dave Darling · Dec 4, 2022

I believe this is the first time the government in Iran has listened to the cries of the people, this says something! Previously they would have cracked down and arrested the protestors, or even opened-fire on them! Maybe they were afraid?

JosephZ · Dec 4, 2022

Dave Darling said:
With the morality police gone I believe Iranian woman can now choose not to wear the hijab (muslim head scarf) or burqua (total body covering) without fear of arrest!

Women in Iran are still required to wear a hijab despite the morality police being disbanded.

Women in Iran will still be required to wear the hijab under Islamic Republic law, even if the country's government decides to abolish the religious police who were in charge of enforcing the dress code.

Morality police were just one of the enforcement arms for the regime to implement the law of mandatory hijab for women. There are "security" offices in all state organizations and malls, as well as parks and other public places, that are manned and managed by the intelligence ministry. One of the major tasks of these offices is to monitor women's hijabs. Morality police was the name of the patrolling vans that would arrest women on the streets.

Montazeri announced on Thursday that the parliament and the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution are studying the topic of hijab, and the result will be announced in 15 days.

However, it is unclear how things will change as a result of these moves by the government. The announcements do not indicate that the mandatory hijab rule in Iran is over, as wearing the hijab is still mandatory under Islamic Republic law.

Because the judiciary will continue to monitor behavior, protesters and activists have been warning that it's very likely authorities will rebrand the morality police and the mission will be back in no time under another name --as the morality police was itself a rebranded mission of a former police division name "Sar-allah Patrol."

Women are controlled in many other ways to abide with this law. Girls -- from the age of seven -- are not admitted at school if they do not wear clothes that are deemed proper. Women patients are not admitted at the hospitals if they do not wear a hijab. Women do not receive any service at the banks or any other organizations if they don't follow the hijab laws.

The decision to abolish the religious police comes three months after deadly demonstrations in Iran -- as well as protests all over the world -- which could be an indication that the government is bowing down to global pressure.

Iran's morality police may soon be gone, but wearing the hijab is still mandatory for Iranian women

Women in Iran will still be required to wear the hijab under Islamic Republic law, even if the country's government decides to abolish the religious police.

abcnews.go.com

Dave Darling · Dec 4, 2022

I may be mistaken, but also with the morality police gone this may open the door for Christian missionary activity in the country. Also possession of a Christian bible in Iran is illegal but I think the morality police were in charge or enforcing this, maybe this would effectively de-criminalize that? I also believe the morality police were in charge of police raids on underground christian house churches and also the arrest of muslim converts to Christianity, maybe with the morality police gone it will put a stop to this as well? I think something massive just happened in the spirit world in the whole country!

JosephZ · Dec 4, 2022

Dave Darling said:
I may be mistaken, but also with the morality police gone this may open the door for Christian missionary activity in the country. Also possession of a Christian bible in Iran is illegal but I think the morality police were in charge or enforcing this, maybe this would effectively de-criminalize that? I also believe the morality police were in charge of police raids on underground christian house churches and also the arrest of muslim converts to Christianity, maybe with the morality police gone it will put a stop to this as well?

Abolishing the morality police would have no affect on existing laws and the judiciary system in Iran.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Dec 4, 2022

Looking at the history of the Islamic Republic of Iran I see no reason to trust them. I wouldn't be surprised if they just founded a new police group under a different name to enforce the laws (which haven't changed btw).
According to the Iranian Human Rights (IHR) group at least 488 protestors have been killed already.

Dave Darling · Dec 5, 2022

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Looking at the history of the Islamic Republic of Iran I see no reason to trust them. I wouldn't be surprised if they just founded a new police group under a different name to enforce the laws (which haven't changed btw).
According to the Iranian Human Rights (IHR) group at least 488 protestors have been killed already.

Yeah I talked to my dad, he is a political buff and he agrees with you, in the past the Iranian government has just made superficial changes to placate protestors that actually changed nothing. The government has agreed to review the hijab laws in the next 15 days, we need to pray that the laws will be struck down!

totallylovedbygod · Dec 5, 2022

continuing in fervent prayer

Joined2krist · Jan 15, 2023

Well, I don’t think Hijabs are bad. Some men tend to be perverts and wearing coverings like these can help protect women. God bless

Friedrich Rubinstein · Jan 15, 2023

Joined2krist said:
Well, I don’t think Hijabs are bad. Some men tend to be perverts and wearing coverings like these can help protect women. God bless

If that was the case then I'd expect these countries to have lower rape-rates than other countries. But they have some of the highest rape-rates in the world.

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JosephZ · Jan 15, 2023

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
If that was the case then I'd expect these countries to have lower rape-rates than other countries. But they have some of the highest rape-rates in the world.

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The map you provided doesn't show rape rates. It shows a combination of many variables that affect women's physical security including voting rights, laws that protect women, age of marriage, access to divorce, access to birth control, and health care to name a few. If you use the same source and look at the prevalence of rape alone, the map looks much different:

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Friedrich Rubinstein · Jan 15, 2023

JosephZ said:
If you use the same source and look at the prevalence of rape alone, the map looks much different

Why do you think it is reasonable to look at a map of only officially reported cases to understand the rape-statistics of countries in which women are honor-killed for being raped or, at the very least, become unable to marry?
The map I provided includes the "taboo" factor, which seems to be quite relevant here.

Alternatively you can also just look at Afghanistan where the hijab is mandatory and yet it has one of the highest reported rape rates. If the reasons for not-reporting rapes and therefore misleading numbers is incorrect, why do you think in Afghanistan the hijab doesn't prevent women from being assaulted, but in other countries it does?

JosephZ · Jan 15, 2023

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
The map I provided includes the "taboo" factor, which seems to be quite relevant here.

Yes, it includes the "taboo factor" among many other things. Under reporting of rape is a global issue. The map you provided also includes women's voting rights, age of marriage, access to divorce, access to birth control, maternal and infant mortality, mental illness, substance abuse, access to health care, etc. which all go into weighing women's physical security. Rape and under reporting of rape are just two of many individual factors used in creating that map.

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Alternatively you can also just look at Afghanistan where the hijab is mandatory and yet it has one of the highest reported rape rates. If the reasons for not-reporting rapes and therefore misleading numbers is incorrect, why do you think in Afghanistan the hijab doesn't prevent women from being assaulted, but in other countries it does?

Afghanistan is a country in conflict where rape by military personel and members of rebel groups is common. There are also refugee camps in that country where there are large concentrations of vulnerable women who often become victims of rape.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Jan 15, 2023

JosephZ said:
Under reporting of rape is a global issue.

I'm sure you are able to see the difference between "global underreporting" and "you will be murdered if you tell the police that you got raped". Not to mention that in Islamic countries you need 4 witnesses for a rape-crime (which unsurprisingly don't exist in most cases) so that the perpetrators of this crime often don't get punished. These factors are also included in the first map, not the second.

JosephZ said:
Afghanistan is a country in conflict where rape by military personel and members of rebel groups is common. There are also refugee camps where women are victimuized.

Both Syria and Yemen are in a civil war with even more militant groups than in Afghanistan. Yet there are supposedly no rapes at all in these countries. You don't find that strange?

JosephZ · Jan 15, 2023

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
in Islamic countries you need 4 witnesses for a rape-crime (which unsurprisingly don't exist in most cases) so that the perpetrators of this crime often don't get punished.

This is a common misconception. There are some Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia for example, that follow a strict and misguided interpretation of Islamic law that still require four witnesses, but most do not.

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
These factors are also included in the first map, not the second.

So are a women's voting rights, age of marriage, access to divorce, access to birth control, maternal and infant mortality, mental illness, substance abuse, access to health care, etc.; many of which have nothing to do with rape rates.

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Both Syria and Yemen are in a civil war with even more militant groups than in Afghanistan. Yet there are supposedly no rapes at all in these countries. You don't find that strange?

Where do you get that there are no rapes at all in Syria and Yemen? Less than 1 per 100,000 doesn't equal 0. There could still be thousands of rapes being reported. I would also suspect there would also be a high number unreported rapes in those countries as well. In this next map it shows that there is a higher incident of rape in those countries due to a high number of refugees and internally displaced people.

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