Salman Rushdie attacked on stage in New York.

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Once the Muslims put a hit out on you, it never goes away.

Well this thing is very interesting because I know of Christian ministers that are worse than Rushdie as far as criticizing Islam. His Fatwa for the Satanic verses dates back when I was still an undergraduate in 1989 if I recall!

I joined Apologist David Woods private internet community this last July 4th. He made his own community after fighting YouTube for years because of the complaints of "keyboard Jihadis".

There is a Coptic priest with a $30 million price on his head from Al Quida for the last 12-15 years, and lots of other noteworthy people I occasionally watch: Christian Prince, Apostate Prophet, Sam Shamoun, and a few others.
 
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Well this thing is very interesting because I know of Christian ministers that are worse than Rushdie as far as criticizing Islam. His Fatwa for the Satanic verses dates back when I was still an undergraduate in 1989 if I recall!

I joined Apologist David Woods private internet community this last July 4th. He made his own community after fighting YouTube for years because of the complaints of "keyboard Jihadis".

There is a Coptic priest with a $30 million price on his head from Al Quida for the last 12-15 years, and lots of other noteworthy people I occasionally watch: Christian Prince, Apostate Prophet, Sam Shamoun, and a few others.

It's different for Muslims, sentiment wise. (Muslims rather expect Christians to blaspheme but a born Muslim is a no no)... But the 30 million dollars bounty for the Coptic priest is higher than the bounty on Rushdie's head. 10× higher.

For a Christian his bounty is pretty high.
 
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It's different for Muslims, sentiment wise. (Muslims rather expect Christians to blaspheme but a born Muslim is a no no)... But the 30 million dollars bounty for the Coptic priest is higher than the bounty on Rushdie's head. 10× higher.

For a Christian his bounty is pretty high.

But he is a Copt, I have noticed an immense hatred for the Coptic community amongst some Islamic circles, more so than hatred for other Christians, so that perhaps inflates it.
 
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There's something really wrong with that community.

I think it highlights how certain doctrines (more specifically, how they're received and the sentiments they stir up in people) can have a disproportionately bad impact on people.

What's kind of interesting/puzzling about it is that we see a disproportionately large number of these sort of things coming from the Muslim community, and while there's no denying the the link between doctrine and behavior, the OT/Torah both have more references to violence than the Muslim holy books do, yet we don't typically see those behaviors as often from people who use the OT/Torah.

Obviously the saying "Every religion has their extremists" is true, but not every religion has them in the same quantities.

Some people have made the culture/environment argument, suggesting that it's because a larger percentage of Muslims live in theocratic nations where there are no barriers to exercising religious beliefs in such an extreme way, and that sort of unfettered ability to push religion has created a culture where it's viewed as more acceptable to act in certain ways towards other people, and that if the religious right in the US had their way, with no restraint of the government, they'd be doing the same thing.

But I'm not entirely convinced of that.

A poll of British Muslims done a few years back suggested that nearly 70% of British Muslims through the Danish cartoonist should be prosecuted, over half said speech should be restricted to as to not allow anyone to offend their religious sensibilities, and the more startling one... 9% of respondents said it was acceptable for religious groups to use violence.

I'd doubt you'd get those kinds of numbers if you polled the Anglicans, Presbyterians, or Methodists living in Britain.
 
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What's kind of interesting/puzzling about it is that we see a disproportionately large number of these sort of things coming from the Muslim community, and while there's no denying the the link between doctrine and behavior, the OT/Torah both have more references to violence than the Muslim holy books do, yet we don't typically see those behaviors as often from people who use the OT/Torah.
Religions using the OT and Torah would be Judaism and Christianity. Christianity has the tempering influence of the New Testament, and Judaism has the tempering influence of millennia as a persecuted minority. Also, I feel like the majority of the violence described in the OT boils down to:

1. Divine smiting
2. Defense of Israel/the Jewish people

For the most part, there isn't a lot of individual vengeance. God handles the punishments for slights against Him, and the Jews defend themselves.
 
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Religions using the OT and Torah would be Judaism and Christianity. Christianity has the tempering influence of the New Testament, and Judaism has the tempering influence of millennia as a persecuted minority. Also, I feel like the majority of the violence described in the OT boils down to:

1. Divine smiting
2. Defense of Israel/the Jewish people

For the most part, there isn't a lot of individual vengeance. God handles the punishments for slights against Him, and the Jews defend themselves.
And slaughter whole civilisations.
 
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