Drill sergeants in classrooms?

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As much science as a kid gets in school? Sure it is.

So are homeschooled kids doing disections in the 9th grade, confirming basic genetics using fruit flies in the 10th, chemistry that requires hundreds of dollars of equipment (mainly glassware) in the 11th and Physics in the 12th?
 
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So are homeschooled kids doing disections in the 9th grade, confirming basic genetics using fruit flies in the 10th, chemistry that requires hundreds of dollars of equipment (mainly glassware) in the 11th and Physics in the 12th?
Why is that necessary for a good education?
 
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That doesn’t help. If he wants a specific answer, it has to be about a specific family.
Compare and contrast this requirement that we discuss specific families with the earlier vague claim that "It’s very realistic for most families". Seems the standard for what we must discuss is quite fluid.
 
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Compare and contrast this requirement that we discuss specific families with the earlier vague claim that "It’s very realistic for most families". Seems the standard for what we must discuss is quite fluid.
Mine was a general statement. Every family that makes X amount of dollars is different. But it’s good that you are interested in homeschooling.
 
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So are homeschooled kids doing disections in the 9th grade, confirming basic genetics using fruit flies in the 10th, chemistry that requires hundreds of dollars of equipment (mainly glassware) in the 11th and Physics in the 12th?

We didn't do any of that in our high school science in the 60s. I strongly suspect students in many schools are not doing it today.

However, my parents bought me all of those lab sets that used to be available for kids--I even had the geology set with the real uranium--so I did them at home.

And let's not forget, the majority of kids--60 to 80 percent, depending on gender and race--will not get a bachelor's degree. Those kids need applied science experiences.
 
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Has anyone seen those TV programmes in america - "scared straight" or something.
They basically take naughty kids and beast them in a jail. The idea is to beast them into being good.

I think this is a mistake - it's hard to fathom putting your child in that situation. It must be staged.
 
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Has anyone seen those TV programmes in america - "scared straight" or something.
They basically take naughty kids and beast them in a jail. The idea is to beast them into being good.

I think this is a mistake - it's hard to fathom putting your child in that situation. It must be staged.

It was not staged, it was real.

The problem was...it did not work.

The kids who were really at risk simply didn't get scared. Those kids still thought they could handle it.
 
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It was not staged, it was real.
The problem was...it did not work.
That's lucky. If it had of showed results of working, people would think this is a good way of doing things without looking for a better method.
Some horrors might get results (albeit probably short term).

The kids who were really at risk simply didn't get scared.
Those kids still thought they could handle it.
I assume it would just be a deeper level of desensitisation they would put themselves through. I assume they'd respond by "getting tougher".

Personally, I think fear and shame aren't particularly noble motivations to begin with.

I further think that this sort of behaviour is doing yourself exactly what you want your kid to stop doing.

The whole thing looked idiotic to me and I felt for the kids - I also found myself thinking that with adults like that around them - it's a miracle there aren't more problem kids.
 
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No education or teaching experience necessary--just a DD214.

This is Florida's solution to the teacher shortage--militarizing classrooms.

In the hands of an authoritarian like DeSantis, this is terrifying.
Florida schools to let veterans teach without degrees

Wow what an exaggeration, where did you come up with “drill Sargents” from that article? It says veterans. They’re civilians just like the rest of us, the only difference is they served and protected our country and they deserve our gratitude and respect.
 
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Other states have pursued military retirees (with degrees) because they would bring "discipline" to students. And "male role models." (Sexist)

Discipline is important but an authoritarian disciplinary template can make students vulnerable to leaders (Trump, DeSantis) who want to establish a type of government in which citizens have no say and democracy is suppressed.

In other words, indoctrination.

That’s a load of garbage because veterans are not robots they’re civilians just like the rest of us who served our country to PROTECT our freedoms. You make it seem as if they are brainwashed robots programmed to serve the government no matter what the circumstances without question. These people aren’t even active duty anymore they’re not obligated to obey orders from the government any more than the rest of us.
 
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The military is authoritarian.
Conservatives bemoan the good old days when there was discipline in the schools.

Often enforced by the ruler and corporal punishment.

Having no academic background in education they are more likely to say "yes, sir" to curricula DeSantis wants--designed to replace ideas he considers progressive to ideas many would consider fascist or worse.

Let's just say his ideas are deplorably unsuitable for any schools, and his attempt to identify teachers and professors who disagree with them is clear-cut dangerously discriminatory.

Newsflash!! They don’t work for the government anymore they’re not active duty. If they were active duty they wouldn’t be taking a job as a school teacher.
 
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Wow what an exaggeration, where did you come up with “drill Sargents” from that article? It says veterans. They’re civilians just like the rest of us, the only difference is they served and protected our country and they deserve our gratitude and respect.
The article seems to make a good point.
Throwing people who are not qualified at the problem - basically lowering the standard is not a solution.

Also...
If the plan goes ahead, your present for teacher will get more expensive...
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Wow what an exaggeration, where did you come up with “drill Sargents” from that article? It says veterans. They’re civilians just like the rest of us, the only difference is they served and protected our country and they deserve our gratitude and respect.

Because it is not as scary and dramatic to say vet's.

It seems to many on the left vilifying those who fought and in many cases died or severely injured fighting for their freedom to say whatever they want are to be denigrated, looked down upon as authoritarian robots doing the work of an evil system.

Discipline, teamwork, honor seem to be punchlines to some.

With the advent of this called the internet home schooling has become a very viable option to the public indoctrination centers we call schools. My oldest two were home schooled their last four years of high school. Their SAT scores speak for the effectiveness of the program we had them enrolled in.
 
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One major negative, as far as the education industry is concerned, to using veterans as teachers:

Veterans are far more likely to throw a bravo sierra flag at a lot of political shenanigans. Nobody is going to give politics a quicker side eye than a military veteran.
 
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We are all shaped by our experiences, vets included.
A co-worker's son, for example. His horrific war experience made him want to join the police because, she said, "he liked guns too much." Then he wanted to join a swat team. Someone who "likes guns too much" is exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be a policeman.
Does that mean I hate vets? No. But many of them need help to recover from their emotional and physical wounds.
Lots of veterans wind up divorcing when returning from war because they hadn't been given help to heal.
My son visits the grave of a former student who committed suicide after leaving the Marines.
A scout I know was recruited by the Marines. Came home and told his mom he was going to be a killing machine. She refused to sign the papers. "That's not what I raised you for," she said.
If veterans want to teach, let them get degrees, have time to decompress, all fully paid for by the GI bill. No shortcuts.
 
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We are all shaped by our experiences, vets included.
A co-worker's son, for example. His horrific war experience made him want to join the police because, she said, "he liked guns too much." Then he wanted to join a swat team. Someone who "likes guns too much" is exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be a policeman.
Does that mean I hate vets? No. But many of them need help to recover from their emotional and physical wounds.
Lots of veterans wind up divorcing when returning from war because they hadn't been given help to heal.
My son visits the grave of a former student who committed suicide after leaving the Marines.
A scout I know was recruited by the Marines. Came home and told his mom he was going to be a killing machine. She refused to sign the papers. "That's not what I raised you for," she said.
If veterans want to teach, let them get degrees, have time to decompress, all fully paid for by the GI bill. No shortcuts.

Most veterans have never been in combat.

And there is no indication that they have not had a chance to decompress.

Don't generalize so much.
 
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The article seems to make a good point.
Throwing people who are not qualified at the problem - basically lowering the standard is not a solution.

Also...
If the plan goes ahead, your present for teacher will get more expensive...
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That all depends on what grade they’re teaching, and FYI veterans eat the same foods as the rest of us.
 
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Because it is not as scary and dramatic to say vet's.

It seems to many on the left vilifying those who fought and in many cases died or severely injured fighting for their freedom to say whatever they want are to be denigrated, looked down upon as authoritarian robots doing the work of an evil system.

Discipline, teamwork, honor seem to be punchlines to some.

With the advent of this called the internet home schooling has become a very viable option to the public indoctrination centers we call schools. My oldest two were home schooled their last four years of high school. Their SAT scores speak for the effectiveness of the program we had them enrolled in.

Yeah well if Senior Drill Instructor Hartman was conducting a class I bet the students would have better grades and everyone would turn in their homework assignments. Lol
 
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