LGBT meme through proper Biblical Context

JimR-OCDS said:

Marriage is throughout Scripture in both the Old Testament and New Testament.
Here's just a couple of examples.





This is what marriage is. The two become one and the primary purpose is to procreate.

Even if you don't believe in the Bible, the law of nature remains and that a man and
woman join to procreate. No where on earth is it different for the various cultures.
Homosexuals are incapable of procreating.

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so why are infertile heterosexuals allowed to get married?

I have a meme.

God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.

SilverBear said:

and yet it is the sheep expressing hate that has separated himself from Jesus.

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Telling people what God's word says about sin is hate? My line of thinking goes more like watching sin lead someone down a path of destruction, telling them they are fine, and encouraging them to keep going is pretty hateful.

Jermayn said:

Telling people what God's word says about sin is hate? My line of thinking goes more like watching sin lead someone down a path of destruction, telling them they are fine, and encouraging them to keep going is pretty hateful.

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when people use the bible to justify hate then yes indeed it is hateful

SilverBear said:

when people use the bible to justify hate then yes indeed it is hateful

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What exactly is your definition of hate? Telling people who are living in sin that their sin will destroy them if they don't turn from it?

Jermayn said:

What exactly is your definition of hate? Telling people who are living in sin that their sin will destroy them if they don't turn from it?

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When racists say this very thing to black people it's hate

OK people it’s turning into bickering. Maybe we should stop. Everybody has made their point perfectly clear. We could let them make their decision, because we are not going to change anyone by getting into ‘pointless’ arguments. Some people just like to fight. They think they are going to change the world and God.

JimR-OCDS said:

Marriage is throughout Scripture in both the Old Testament and New Testament.
Here's just a couple of examples.





This is what marriage is. The two become one and the primary purpose is to procreate.

Even if you don't believe in the Bible, the law of nature remains and that a man and
woman join to procreate. No where on earth is it different for the various cultures.
Homosexuals are incapable of procreating.

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You making stuff up again. There is no mention of children in your passages.
We will have to ignore my marriage because I had no children then.
About 1/3 of couples have no children. Would this be the non-Christians? I doubt it.

SilverBear said:

When racists say this very thing to black people it's hate

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This is going all over the place now, but I'm going to try to step into your shoes and figure this out. I'd love to understand the angle you're seeing this from, so here goes:

First off, blackness isn't a sin, the Bible doesn't say it's a sin, and no one is accusing black people of being sinners based on their race, so let's get the conversation back on track. From what I gather so far, your opinion is that if I were to tell a gay person that homosexuality is a sin and support that by citing verses in the Bible, that's hate. Am I correct?

SkyWriting said:

You making stuff up again. There is no mention of children in your passages.
We will have to ignore my marriage because I had no children then.
About 1/3 of couples have no children. Would this be the non-Christians? I doubt it.

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You don't know Scripture very well in saying this. There is mention of
children from Adam and Eve's commandment to go and multiply, through
Abraham and on.

Jesus himself began as a child in Bethlehem.

I know you're trying to be a troll, so I won't take your bait any further

Jermayn said:

This is going all over the place now, but I'm going to try to step into your shoes and figure this out. I'd love to understand the angle you're seeing this from, so here goes:

First off, blackness isn't a sin, the Bible doesn't say it's a sin, and no one is accusing black people of being sinners based on their race,

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according to racists blacks pretending to be or acting as the social and moral equals of whites is a sin.

so let's get the conversation back on track. From what I gather so far, your opinion is that if I were to tell a gay person that homosexuality is a sin and support that by citing verses in the Bible, that's hate. Am I correct?

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Look to the motivation. When racists tell a black person that equality is a sin and support that by citing biblical verses it is hate. The motivation of the racist in doing this is hostility and to disparage a person or the group and to demean and dehumanize. They can say this is done out of love all they want but when you are on the receiving end that claim is just laughable.

JimR-OCDS said:

You don't know Scripture very well in saying this. There is mention of
children from Adam and Eve's commandment to go and multiply, through
Abraham and on.

Jesus himself began as a child in Bethlehem.

I know you're trying to be a troll, so I won't take your bait any further

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why does your procreation for marriage claim only apply to LGBT people?

SilverBear said:

according to racists blacks pretending to be or acting as the social and moral equals of whites is a sin.


Look to the motivation. When racists tell a black person that equality is a sin and support that by citing biblical verses it is hate. The motivation of the racist in doing this is hostility and to disparage a person or the group and to demean and dehumanize. They can say this is done out of love all they want but when you are on the receiving end that claim is just laughable.

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Ok, so we've established that someone who thinks the color of your skin determines superiority is racist and that the Bible doesn't support such claims. Again, off topic for this thread, but I agree with you on this, so there you go. Now let's steer back towards the homosexuality argument. You say "Look to the motivation". I believe homosexuality is a sin and will eternally separate a person from God if they never repent of it and continue to practice it. I can support this using verses from the Bible that specifically say having sexual relations with the same sex is sin, which I will post below. My motivation is not to beat anyone into submission with those verses, but out of love for others, I want people to know what God's word says because I don't want anyone to be destroyed when they stand in judgement. If they accept it, great. If not, it's their decision, but at least they know. This is the same motivation most Christians have who speak out against homosexuality and other sinful behavior that is become more and more accepted in our culture. So, how is this hate?

Romans 1:18-26 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Jermayn said:

Ok, so we've established that someone who thinks the color of your skin determines superiority is racist

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the definition of racism: Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.

and that the Bible doesn't support such claims.

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racists say it does

You say "Look to the motivation". I believe homosexuality is a sin and will eternally separate a person from God if they never repent of it and continue to practice it.

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and racists believe blacks who act as the social equals of whites is also a sin

I can support this using verses from the Bible that specifically say having sexual relations with the same sex is sin,

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racists invoke the bible too

My motivation is not to beat anyone into submission with those verses, but out of love for others,

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Yep racists say the same thing.

SilverBear said:

the definition of racism: Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.

racists say it does

and racists believe blacks who act as the social equals of whites is also a sin

racists invoke the bible too

Yep racists say the same thing.

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Still didn't answer the question. How is anything I posted hate? I also noticed the only part of my post you didn't comment on was the direct quote from the Bible. What are you thoughts on those verses?

JimR-OCDS said:

You don't know Scripture very well in saying this.

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I've been married twice and neither wife could get pregnant for different reasons.
So your point has no value in the real world.

JimR-OCDS said:

You don't know Scripture very well in saying this.

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I can research better than most.

SkyWriting said:

I've been married twice and neither wife could get pregnant for different reasons.
So your point has no value in the real world.

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So what's your point, that procreation isn't the primary reason for marriage ?

JimR-OCDS said:

So what's your point, that procreation isn't the primary reason for marriage ?

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Absolutely. It's fellowship.

You don't need to get married to pump out babies across the nation.
Makin babies is free and easy.

SkyWriting said:

Absolutely. It's fellowship.

You don't need to get married to pump out babies across the nation.

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You misunderstand the term, "primary." In other words, it's not the "only" purpose
but it is the primary purpose.

The other purpose is for the expression of love and unifying a wife and husband.

In all cases, being open to life is part of a marriage, even when it won't happen.