Parents protesting 'critical race theory' identify another target: Mental health programs

*Starlight* said:

But that’s exactly my point, you shouldn’t judge things by a name, because the name might be nice, while the actual thing might be the opposite. That’s why parents are right to distrust it.

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rambot said:

It is better not understand how racism can be expressed in different ways.

It seems when people don't understand concepts they are more likely to fight against them.

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Ana the Ist said:

Critical theories aren't about understanding concepts...they're about criticizing systems and power structures.

Understanding those systems isn't just unnecessary....it's counter-productive.

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rambot said:

To people with a vested interest in the status quo perhaps yes.

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iluvatar5150 said:

Remember when conservatives complained about the “It gets better” campaign?

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RestoreTheJoy said:

That had no place in SCHOOL. But sure, have a program if that's what you want to focus on.

In school, it should be only about math, science, history, etc. Academics only. Social engineering has no place there.

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RestoreTheJoy said:

That had no place in SCHOOL. But sure, have a program if that's what you want to focus on.

In school, it should be only about math, science, history, etc. Academics only. Social engineering has no place there.

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Ana the Ist said:

If black people considered themselves just as capable of the same level and scope of immorality....the same kind of oppression....why even bother saying it?

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rturner76 said:

IF you are talking about America it would be a lie. Blacks have not and do not oppress anybody. Whites were oppressive until they took out the colored drinking fountain. Not every single white person but most were some level of racist.

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Ana the Ist said:

I'm glad you agree that it's a moral accusation against whites.

Is there anything else that you see me as a white man capable of doing that you cannot?

Morally speaking of course.

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rturner76 said:

Date my X, he dad didn't like black people

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Ana the Ist said:

Remarkable.

You're the first boyfriend to be unfairly judged on superficial characteristics by your girlfriends father.

Do tell ....what's that like?

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rambot said:

To people with a vested interest in the status quo perhaps yes.

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ThatRobGuy said:

I must say, I've always lucked out in that regard lol.

I only had one girlfriend throughout my high school years that I dated for 2 years, and her mom was remarried (to a much younger guy), so her step dad was something like 28 when I was 16 and was pretty laid back so never tried the "intimidation tactics" that a lot of fathers try.

After that, I didn't date again until a few years after college and I already had a full time job and was too old to be intimidated by all the usual tactics.

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ThatRobGuy said:

But if the "status quo" is being horribly misrepresented, and joined at the hip with teaching "alternatives" in a very misleading way, then that can be every bit as problematic.

For instance...one of the things commonly taught by the original authors of CRT (like Derrick Bell) was that Capitalism/Meritocracy were an outgrowth of racism, and that socialistic systems are somehow preferable or an improvement.

I would agree that in the schools, history gets whitewashed. It wasn't until after high school that I even learned about some of the terrible things that went on. So the idea that we "need to teach unfiltered history" (similar to how Germans learn the harsh, unfiltered history of their past sins) is a valid one. However, if the entities promoting that idea are also promoting certain collectivist systems (that have their own share of blood on their hands) as a "better alternative" to the meritocracy, then they're employing the same "selective memory" just as much as the people the people they're opposing, if not more so.


IE: If a person suggests that America's history of racism is an outgrowth of the capitalism, but refuse to acknowledge that Stalin/Mao/Castro/Un/Ceaușescu are all outgrowths of collectivism, then they're whitewashing history just as much the people they're criticizing.

For instance, if they get to use the argument "that wasn't real socialism" as a defense, why can't someone else simply dismiss their criticisms of American racism as "that wasn't real capitalism"

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ThatRobGuy said:

In certain parts of the country, I don't think it's so much a "fear of a Trojan horse into CRT" that they're so worried about (despite the fact that that's how their selling it to drum up popularity of their position), and more of a "Religious vs. Secular" thing.

As someone who grew up in a Southern Baptist household, I can attest to the fact that it's "frowned upon" to seek any sort of counsel, on any subject, outside of the church.

- "You don't go see some licensed therapist for Marriage counseling, you go to the pastor"
- "If your kid has mental health issues due to XYZ, you don't take them to a counselor, you take them to see the youth pastor"

It tends to have more to do with people wanting to keep certain "structures" in place, and the idea that those "structures" might be what's causing the problems (and that a secular therapist may point that out to someone) presents a "threat" to some folks who find comfort in "keeping things the way they've always been".

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essentialsaltes said:

Groups this year have voiced opposition to suicide prevention programs, mental health coordinators and social emotional learning, claiming they are being used to indoctrinate students.

At a September school board meeting in Southlake, Texas, a parent named Tara Eddins strode to the lectern during the public comment period and demanded to know why the Carroll Independent School District was paying counselors “at $90K a pop” to give students lessons on suicide prevention.

Two days after Eddins made the remarks, Southlake Families PAC — a group that has fought to stop a diversity plan at Carroll — sent an email to supporters calling on the school district to “Leave mental health and parenting to parents.”

In Carmel, Indiana, activists swarmed school board meetings this fall to demand that a district fire its mental health coordinator from what they said was a “dangerous, worthless” job. And in Fairfax County, Virginia, a national activist group condemned school officials for sending a survey to students that included questions like “During the past week, how often did you feel sad?”

Many of the school programs under attack fall under the umbrella of social emotional learning, or SEL, a teaching philosophy popularized in recent years that aims to help children manage their feelings and show empathy for others. Conservative groups argue that social emotional learning has become a “Trojan horse” for critical race theory

Next up, complaining about vegetables in school lunches. Leave the food groups to parents. Oh wait, we had that already:

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iluvatar5150 said:

Putting a bunch of near-feral teenagers in a room and teaching them discipline is a form of social engineering.

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loveofourlord said:

Right...how dare people try to help kids cope with being bullied and hated on, and other things. Not like that stuff effects school work.

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