Parents protesting 'critical race theory' identify another target: Mental health programs

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We all recognize that this assinine tie in between mental health and CRT is beyond absurd right?

Yeah, CRT has nothing to do with mental health nor have any of these programs shown a positive impact on mental health.

Mental health is NOT a problem in this country because white kids are being told to feel guilty about being white or whatever; We all recognize the ACTUAL scaled effect this is having on kids compared to numberous other society and cultural pressures is infinitesimal right?

Agreed. It's got nothing to do with mental health. Critical theories are about attacking cultural norms within a society in order to make it easier to manipulate them into political activism.
 
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I object to that as well but I don't think that's happening.
It is in Australia. Here schools often invite outsiders to speak. These include green groups, homosexuality apologists and other woke/progressives. It's not new but it has become broader in scope and more antichrist. Kids can't read or write or spell, they can't make change at the till, but they know that they have the right to choose their gender.
 
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It is in Australia. Here schools often invite outsiders to speak. These include green groups, homosexuality apologists and other woke/progressives. It's not new but it has become broader in scope and more antichrist. Kids can't read or write or spell, they can't make change at the till, but they know that they have the right to choose their gender.
This is bad?
 
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Weren't they pretty much oppressors until recently?
White men also have been leaders in medical research, inventions that have transformed the world, helped to eliminate poverty and disease, introduced democracy to some countries and also brought Christianity to the world. The failed states are not run by white people. South Africa was oppressed under apartheid, which is a great evil. Black rule has done nothing to help the average South African. Few former colonial nations are democratic and not corrupt. The wealth that used to be taken by colonial masters now goes into the bank accounts of the black rulers.

Countries are assessed by the level of corruption. Only one majority white nation is in the top ten and that is Russia. Only one non-white nation appears in the top ten least corrupt and that is Singapore. So if the whites were the oppressors, the non-whites have been anxious to fill the void.
 
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White men also have been leaders in medical research, inventions that have transformed the world, helped to eliminate poverty and disease, introduced democracy to some countries and also brought Christianity to the world. The failed states are not run by white people. South Africa was oppressed under apartheid, which is a great evil. Black rule has done nothing to help the average South African. Few former colonial nations are democratic and not corrupt. The wealth that used to be taken by colonial masters now goes into the bank accounts of the black rulers.

Countries are assessed by the level of corruption. Only one majority white nation is in the top ten and that is Russia. Only one non-white nation appears in the top ten least corrupt and that is Singapore. So if the whites were the oppressors, the non-whites have been anxious to fill the void.
Whites oppressed blacks in the USA for about 400 years. Have you taken American history before? If you had you should know that.
 
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This is bad?
Absolutely. Vaccination. We are told to believe the science. I'm ok with that. Evolution. Believe the science. I'm not ok, evolution is not scientific. That debate was lost decades ago. Climate change. Believe the science. Gender? Believe whatever you like. It used be called a mental condition, gender dysphoria. A law has been passed that will see parents imprisoned for up to ten years if they try to talk their kids out of gender reassignment. So much for democracy and human rights. I'd expect this from North Korea, not Australia and Canada. We are hopeful that the law will not be proclaimed. It's due in February next year.
 
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Absolutely. Vaccination. We are told to believe the science. I'm ok with that. Evolution. Believe the science. I'm not ok, evolution is not scientific. That debate was lost decades ago. Climate change. Believe the science. Gender? Believe whatever you like. It used be called a mental condition, gender dysphoria. A law has been passed that will see parents imprisoned for up to ten years if they try to talk their kids out of gender reassignment. So much for democracy and human rights. I'd expect this from North Korea, not Australia and Canada. We are hopeful that the law will not be proclaimed. It's due in February next year.
Step into 2021 and you will understand a lot of this stuff
 
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Whites oppressed blacks in the USA for about 400 years. Have you taken American history before? If you had you should know that.
I'm English, not American and I've lived in Australia since 1966. I know a little American history. From my limited contacts with Americans, it's a lot more than Americans know about Europe, Australia or anywhere else for that matter.

I know that most slaves were supplied by blacks, often Muslims. I know that it was a white man who was anti slavery (William Wilberforce) in Europe and was most instrumental in ending the slave trade.

The whole world was pretty miserable for the vast majority of people until relatively recently. An English serf was a near slave to the Lord of the manor. The industrial revolution turned millions of workers into near slaves in factories. There surely never were any good old days. Life is generally much easier these days, at least in the western world.

The interesting thing about slavery is that it is economically unsound. People who earn wages spend money and the economy benefits. I suspect that big business will discover this before too long. They want to suppress the wages of people they expect to buy their products. I'd like to know how that is going to work!
 
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Step into 2021 and you will understand a lot of this stuff
I understand what is going on. It is the undermining of Christian values and principles. This has been going on for decades but it is getting worse.
 
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white people

I knew some people looked at white people that way. I even remember wayyyy back in the 2005-2010 era, white people were encountering more people who had that view online (they had never met a non-white person who expressed a racist belief about them as white people).

I remember making a thread about it on here, like wayyyy back in 2012 or 2013. I posted the two different definitions, the one that most people used and the one that involved some subjective assumption of power and privilege and such.

I was surprised to see the split was closer to 50-50 on here. I thought for certain it would be around 90-10...or 95-5. It was pretty even though. It didn't seem ideological....it seemed age based.

I still don't know how or why that definition gained acceptance. No other type of bigotry has some power matrix involved (we don't consider bigotry against non-English speakers as something that is power based...for example, an English speaker chastising the Japanese in Japan for not speaking English doesn't suddenly become a valid viewpoint).

I have thought maybe it was because they had so little pre-exposure to black people before the internet....they felt like it was wrong to point out. I also considered that black people who similarly hadn't been called racist before latched onto the new definition as a defense mechanism.

Maybe a mix of the two. Maybe something else entirely.

What I did know was that people were being really dishonest. They didn't actually examine power relationships when calling people racist or declaring a statement or behavior racist. Likewise the excuse the a non-white person was merely engaging in a racial stereotype (not racism) was often said to be immoral....yet it was disregarded as not worthy of concern. The other excuse I commonly heard was that it must come from a viewpoint of racial superiority....which black people simply didn't have.

Yet it's contained in the racist beliefs themselves. White people are oppressors is a racist viewpoint. It contains a moral accusation...if not a legal one. If black people considered themselves just as capable of the same level and scope of immorality....the same kind of oppression....why even bother saying it?

I have to wonder how things might be different had we not bent the rules for black people on racism. Could it have led to a self examination of racism in non-white communities and we would be closer to that colorblind society?

Maybe. Maybe not lol.

Every racist believes their racist beliefs are valid...not just correct, justifiable. Racism wasn't invented to provide a convincing excuse for slavery....it became attached to ideas of racial limitations. It was the explanation for why those European explorers never found a African Shakespeare or Central American Michelangelo. If you were only capable of x....you were only good for y. It seemed both reasonable, readily observable, and a fact of history. Why wouldn't they believe the theory of race?

It was such a powerful explanation that it was not completely disproved until the entire genome was mapped. Racist beliefs had already fallen out of popularity...too much counter-evidence existed. Many scientists still expected to find something though.

We generally stopped using race as an explanation for anything by 2000...it was called out frequently when made public. We had plenty of issues to work on...but it seemed like we were heading in the right direction.

Now a racist belief has circulated around a bubble of academia and gained a level of legitimacy in the public through repetition and intimidation.

It's a racist idea though, and as ideas that inform worldviews go....racist ideas have a really bad track record. They're never right.
 
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And you realize that it's the same company?

...that conducted a survey. And?

Yeah, it's hard for a parent to build a case for misconduct in the 2-3 minute window they are given to talk to a school board.

In that 2-3 minute window, she managed to rattle off a list of complaints as long as my arm. She managed to articulate little-to-no substance for any of them. Maybe if she'd edited her list a bit, she'd have had time to convince us she wasn't just a kook.

You know who has a lot of time? Reporters.

They can actually dig into this stuff and see what is true and what isn't.

Don't you find it a little bit odd that they don't? They've been reporting on this for months, produced no real facts either way, and just characterize parents as "loony".

You're not going to find any defense of the journalism industry here. I have some amount of sympathy for the folks working at the local level with skeleton crews and shoestring budgets, but that's about it.

I'm English, not American and I've lived in Australia since 1966. I know a little American history. From my limited contacts with Americans, it's a lot more than Americans know about Europe, Australia or anywhere else for that matter.

I know that most slaves were supplied by blacks, often Muslims. I know that it was a white man who was anti slavery (William Wilberforce) in Europe and was most instrumental in ending the slave trade.

The whole world was pretty miserable for the vast majority of people until relatively recently. An English serf was a near slave to the Lord of the manor. The industrial revolution turned millions of workers into near slaves in factories. There surely never were any good old days. Life is generally much easier these days, at least in the western world.

Sounds like your little bit of American history knowledge has been filtered through white supremacist / Lost Cause propaganda that likes to cherry pick certain details like those you've listed here.
 
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Kids can't read or write or spell, they can't make change at the till, but they know that they have the right to choose their gender.
Kids can't read or write or spell...can't make change at the till?
I've seen plenty of kids VERY capable of it.
What is less common is the adult who understands what "gender" means.
 
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...that conducted a survey. And?

Well in the first article....it appeared as if the company conducted the surveys for the purposes of making curriculum suggestions that were described broadly as promoting 'equality, equity, and inclusion now claims to actually be about promoting mental health.

Obviously there's no way that Panorama Education doesn't know what they do....and it's hard for me to imagine that a reporter is unable to find out unless everyone in the entire process is unwilling to speak up about it.

So why the discrepancy? What does Panorama do?

In that 2-3 minute window, she managed to rattle off a list of complaints as long as my arm. She managed to articulate little-to-no substance for any of them. Maybe if she'd edited her list a bit, she'd have had time to convince us she wasn't just a kook.

If she was the only one do you think it would have made the news? Surely others spoke...right?


You're not going to find any defense of the journalism industry here. I have some amount of sympathy for the folks working at the local level with skeleton crews and shoestring budgets, but that's about it.

Local news is about all I will trust at their word

Sounds like your little bit of American history knowledge has been filtered through white supremacist / Lost Cause propaganda that likes to cherry pick certain details like those you've listed here.

There was a subjective element in his depiction of history but nothing I would call inaccurate.

It would seem odd to me if I was from a foreign nation and the people here were arguing that students need to learn "accurate history, the good and bad" but as soon as the African slave trade starts to be told in an accurate way, those same people seem to be upset.

They definitely want students to know about things like the Tulsa race riot....but not about the Arab slave trade, the African kings who began punishing more criminals with slavery just to make more slaves to sell, or the Chinese impression of Africa when they first explored it.

'After All, Didn't America Invent Slavery?'

Do we want an accurate portrayal of history or just a different distortion?
 
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I’m not American, but I’m not really surprised that American parents distrust the school system. The education system there seems to try really hard to be seen as untrustworthy.

Years ago, there were a lot of horror stories about children who were abuse victims in schools getting punished as a result of "zero tolerance against violence" policies. Also, horror stories about schools encouraging racial discrimination under the guise of "anti-racism". So it makes sense that parents question school programs that have innocent sounding names, but might be not so innocent in practice.
 
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I’m not American, but I’m not really surprised that American parents distrust the school system. The education system there seems to try really hard to be seen as untrustworthy.

Years ago, there were a lot of horror stories about children who were abuse victims in schools getting punished as a result of "zero tolerance against violence" policies. Also, horror stories about schools encouraging racial discrimination under the guise of "anti-racism". So it makes sense that parents question school programs that have innocent sounding names, but might be not so innocent in practice.
It is better not understand how racism can be expressed in different ways.

It seems when people don't understand concepts they are more likely to fight against them.
 
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It is better not understand how racism can be expressed in different ways.

It seems when people don't understand concepts they are more likely to fight against them.
My point is that it’s quite reasonable for parents to distrust school programs with nice sounding names, because these programs might not be so nice in practice. It happened in the past, with abuse victims getting punished and students being taught to divide people by color, all in the name of something that was given a nice sounding name.
 
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My point is that it’s quite reasonable for parents to distrust school programs with nice sounding names, because these programs might not be so nice in practice. It happened in the past, with abuse victims getting punished and students being taught to divide people by color, all in the name of something that was given a nice sounding name.
My point is that if you judge anything by a name and by listening to people who hate it you are not getting an informed picture and not doing a service for your children in doing so.
 
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My point is that if you judge anything by a name and by listening to people who hate it you are not getting an informed picture and not doing a service for your children in doing so.
But that’s exactly my point, you shouldn’t judge things by a name, because the name might be nice, while the actual thing might be the opposite. That’s why parents are right to distrust it.
 
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