Is it possible not to sin ? (All sins)

Sam Saved by Grace · Aug 22, 2021

DaDaBrothers said:
Sam the bible doesn't say :"He who goes to church shalt be saved."
We know from the word there will be a "great falling away" from the faith, the word is apostasy. It's not unbiblical, the Church is the body of Christ anyways, the saints are the Church (pure), not some building somewhere (corrupted).
And Prophets are biblical too, they speak truth, and get killed for it.
Because people like you, who just start accusing the man when you get rebuked and run out of arguments.
You started by denying all Holiness but that of Christ, that Christ is the only One Holy in the flesh.
He is the only one Holy from start to finish, he condemned death in the flesh, so he can destroy sin, and He did it for us, to deliver us from evil, to free us from Egypt the house of slavery, free us from sin, so that we too could be like Him (no darkness at all)
This is what I meant when I said you don't believe in Christ risen from the dead. The new man creates in true Holiness, because you don't believe you could be without sin.
And I showed you how you could with a strong mind resist every temptation, but you stayed in your weak flesh.
It has been answered, Yes, it's not only possible not sin, but "By the mercies of God" it is our "reasonable service".

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

The only way we can become Holy is thanks to Jesus, the words are "destroy" sin, "purify/cleanse us from all unrighteousness". This is how you can claim you are pure, cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
What shall we do then? Go back in the mud ?
God forbid if anyone sins again after this, I don't care if your flesh is weak, if you want a glorified body, If you say you didn't want to, I don't want to hear any excuses, im sorry.
You have just been made freed from sin to serve God, and sin doesn't have any more dominion over you, if anyone goes back in the mud it's they're own fault.

When someone slanders me and says that I do not believe Christ is risen, I take that very serious. You claim to be without sin, yet you sinned in bearing false witness against me. I have been slandered and my faith attacked by claims that I said things I did not say, and that I teach things I do not teach. You should read my testimony about how Jesus Christ saved me from condemnation, sexual sin, idolatry, drug abuse, and more. I did not stop those things in my own power, nor did I make excuses in order to continue in them. I turned from my sin, and because the Spirit of God lives inside of me, it is now my heart's desire to live in holiness and glorify Christ above all. Again I tell you, the Lord knows those who are His.

I have not "run out of arguments". They are not my arguments. It is the Word of God, which needs no correction. Not from you, not from the "prophet", and not from anyone. Use your head! He claims he is perfect, and that he has already become exactly like Christ! Furthermore, he claims to already possess a glorified body. What does the Word of God say about that? Any verse he takes out of context to support his heresy, I can explain within the proper context (though he uses an inferior, 400 year old translation). But he, nor you, can explain the following verses - the Word of God is clear on the matter:

but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:7-8

Not that I have already attained this—that is, I have not already been perfected—but I strive to lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus also laid hold of me. Phillipians 3:12

For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself Phillipians 2:18-21

Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is 1 John 3:2

For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:9-12

So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 1 Corinthians 15:42-43

That is the Word of God. As anyone can clearly see, it is a lie to say that we have already achieved Christlike perfection; it is a lie to say we are already in our glorified bodies! Can you read? And citing verses out of context do nothing to change the facts. Even 2000 years of church history - including some of the greatest men of God, from the church fathers such as Polycarp (disciple of John), Clemente and Justin Martyr, on down through Augustine and up through the reformation, great Christians like Bunyan, Calvin, Edwards, and later Spurgeon - 2000 years of church history disagrees with what he is trying to teach. I promise - he is a liar. Anyone who claims that they have their glorified body, are a prophet, and never sin, are clearly lying.

It says a lot about you that you believe it.

DaDaBrothers · Aug 22, 2021

Sam Saved by Grace said:
Yes, we are without sin

Mark I didn't say I was, but I said how we can be, with Jesus Christ. You're only effort now is to make me break 1 John 1:8. So now I say to you if you sin you're of the devil, because if you sin you go against a bunch of verses including 1 John 3:8.

Notice it says "If we walk in the light[...]" the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin. So "if you walk in the light," as He is in the Light (no darkness at all) you are pure, if you walk in the light.

Walking in the light is righteousness, with no darkness at all, Holy "without sin", and this is were the problem is. When I say without sin ( not talking about myself) I mean they are cleansed by the blood, because they walk in the light, strong mind, resisting temptation.

Once upon a time I sinned, then I got cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus, now do I still have sin?

No, Jesus destroys all sin, the word is "cleanse us from all unrighteousness" meanig all sin, all.
All we have to do is walk in the light.

Love is the fulfillment of the Law.

Sam I am happy you stop your sins brother, you finished them once and for all, right? A renewing of mind.
Just like Christ said : "IT IS FINISHED"

You kill your sin on the cross with Him, you don't simply supress it or hold it, the old man is " destroyed".

Now the new man would never do those sins again would he?
Nope he "cannot". He is the new creature "born of God", created in true Holiness. And this is the word, that you are "born of God" and you cannot sin.

Sam: "we are in a continual war"
"Jesus Christ took away our sins, but we still battle sin"...

Im sorry if I misinterpreted you, but you talk about this new creature as if the old man was still there, as if you were still strugling/fighting the very things you crucified, Jesus destroys all sins.
So you are either denying the "true Holiness" part of the new man, or you're saying that Jesus destroyed sin but not all of it, since you still have some sin to fight with.

You can still get tempted but you cannot sin.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Sam :"our sin nature will persist until rapture"

Haven't you killed your old man when you crucified your sin nature with Him on the cross? So that it might be destroyed. What is it that persists, then?

And how do you explain beeing made "free from sin", then?
Are you really freed from sin if you can still sin? What is the difference then? From sinner to small sinner ?
When you should be freed from sin alltogether, to not obey the lusts thereof, and to serve God as an instrument of righteousness, declaring the victory of the Lord over death.

Maybe you just mean you are still tempted..

Sam Saved by Grace · Aug 22, 2021

DaDaBrothers said:
Mark I didn't say I was, but I said how we can be, with Jesus Christ. You're only effort now is to make me break 1 John 1:8. So now I say to you if you sin you're of the devil, because if you sin you go against a bunch of verses including 1 John 3:8.

Notice it says "If we walk in the light[...]" the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin. So "if you walk in the light," as He is in the Light (no darkness at all) you are pure, if you walk in the light.

Walking in the light is righteousness, with no darkness at all, Holy "without sin", and this is were the problem is. When I say without sin ( not talking about myself) I mean they are cleansed by the blood, because they walk in the light, strong mind, resisting temptation.

Once upon a time I sinned, then I got cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus, now do I still have sin?

No, Jesus destroys all sin, the word is "cleanse us from all unrighteousness" meanig all sin, all.
All we have to do is walk in the light.

Love is the fulfillment of the Law.

Sam I am happy you stop your sins brother, you finished them once and for all, right? A renewing of mind.
Just like Christ said : "IT IS FINISHED"

You kill your sin on the cross with Him, you don't simply supress it or hold it, the old man is " destroyed".

Now the new man would never do those sins again would he?
Nope he "cannot". He is the new creature "born of God", created in true Holiness. And this is the word, that you are "born of God" and you cannot sin.

Sam: "we are in a continual war"
"Jesus Christ took away our sins, but we still battle sin"...

Im sorry if I misinterpreted you, but you talk about this new creature as if the old man was still there, as if you were still strugling/fighting the very things you crucified, Jesus destroys all sins.
So you are either denying the "true Holiness" part of the new man, or you're saying that Jesus destroyed sin but not all of it, since you still have some sin to fight with.

You can still get tempted but you cannot sin.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Sam :"our sin nature will persist until rapture"

Haven't you killed your old man when you crucified your sin nature with Him on the cross? So that it might be destroyed. What is it that persists, then?

And how do you explain beeing made "free from sin", then?
Are you really freed from sin if you can still sin? What is the difference then? From sinner to small sinner ?
When you should be freed from sin alltogether, to not obey the lusts thereof, and to serve God as an instrument of righteousness, declaring the victory of the Lord over death.

Maybe you just mean you are still tempted..

Yes, I am tempted at times. And you know what? Unless I pick up my cross daily, I will fall into sin. The Christian life is not just a one time event.

Jesus said, "Watch and pray, that you will not enter into temptation, for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." Matthew 26:41

This is exactly what Paul is talking about when he tells us to "Walk in the spirit, so that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh." Galatians 5:16

We do not have our glorified bodies yet, unlike what the false prophet on this thread has claimed. What he says goes directly against God's Word. We have to "pray without ceasing" 1 Thess 5:17, and remember that our "adversary, the devil, is like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Peter 5:8. Saying that it is not possible for us to sin is very dangerous. Paul warns, "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall." 1 Corinthians 10:12

The Christian life is one of progressive sanctification, a continual process of battling against sin and striving for holiness. And it is one of constant discipline, where God continually disciplines His children. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons Hebrews 12:4-5

Jesus says, "And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me." Luke 9:23

Only the devil would tell you to put down your guard, that your enemy is already vanquished. "Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand." Ephesians 6:13

You bet you can still sin, and you can still fall! If that were not true, the Bible would not be filled with exhortation after exhortation instructing us in Christian living. The battle is not over by any means - yes, we are saved, but there is still work that God does in a person's life. And there is work that God wants to do in your life. There will come a day when we will be perfect, even as Christ is perfect, but that day has not yet come.

Remember, after the Lord saved His people from Egypt, they still wondered in the wilderness for 40 years. And there were still giants that needed to be slain, in order that they might enter into to the land promised to them. And though they were saved from Egypt, their carcasses still fell in wilderness. The Bible says that "the just shall live by faith." It is not a one time event.

Yes, it is a one time event in the sense that when God saved us, He saved us. And in the sense that when He sees us, He sees the righteousness of Christ. But it is not "our" righteousness, not yet. The life we live, we live by continual faith in the Son of God, and His righteousness is imputed to us. But the day will come, our blessed hope, when we set our eyes upon the glorified Christ, when we will become like Him. In that day, the righteousness of Christ will no longer be imputed. It will be our own righteousness. In us, too, God will be "well pleased".

Not all will make it to that day. Many will fall away from the faith. I encourage you to read my thread "Why I am a Calvinist" - and learn why it is so important to believe the promises of God.

Mark Quayle · Aug 22, 2021

DaDaBrothers said:
Mark I didn't say I was, but I said how we can be, with Jesus Christ. You're only effort now is to make me break 1 John 1:8. So now I say to you if you sin you're of the devil, because if you sin you go against a bunch of verses including 1 John 3:8.

Notice it says "If we walk in the light[...]" the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin. So "if you walk in the light," as He is in the Light (no darkness at all) you are pure, if you walk in the light.

You got an idea in your head that you like, and you see all these verses through that idea. The Greek 'present tense' you will find in many verses, is a continuous action, i.e. 1 John 3:8 more literally says, "he who practices sin" or "he commits sin". The ESV says, "Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning." I don't mean to belittle you, your opinions, or your hermeneutics, but the eisegesis you seem have accepted as the way to look at scripture conscripts you to a longer harder road than you think with a rude awakening at some point, hopefully before the end. Been there — done that.

1 John 3:8 and 9 do not contradict 1 John 1:8, and you don't know my motives for pointing out what I have —I had no intent of "making [you] break 1 John 1:8". I am hoping to draw you away from that self-named 'prophet'.

If you want hope, hope in the Lord, and his righteousness, not yours, nor in your faithfulness. Pursue the Lord with all your heart, and let him judge your shortcomings. "If we [are confessing] (present tense continuous action) our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive (an event, not continuous action, yet conditional on the confession) us all our sins, and to cleanse (same tense as 'forgiven') us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

prophecy_uk · Aug 23, 2021

Sam: "Unless I pick up my cross daily, I will fall into sin. The Christian life is not just a one time event."

Sam's worldly understanding, is that he falls into sin, because Jesus told the disciples to watch and pray, as their flesh is weak. They fell asleep, and that is Sams example of weak flesh, and how that shows it can also lead to them sinning.....

Matthew 26:40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Jesus said, "Watch and pray, that you will not enter into temptation, for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." Matthew 26:41

But this also has more details, and why is it Sam and Mark hate the rest, and only want to stop, when their point is given on one verse ?

The hour of darkness was here, as Jesus says in this same account Matthew 26:45, the hour is at hand, and Luke 22:52 gives more precision, that, this is the hour of darkness..

Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: BUT THIS IS THE HOUR OF DARKNESS.

Matthew 26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

There was no light yet, neither was the Spirit given , for Christ of course is about to be glorified:
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Because it was the hour of darkness, Jesus shows they can fall into temptation ( no light given and no Spirit of Christ given just yet to the disciples until Christ about to be delivered then rises, which gives the Holy Spirit as He said) John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Matthew 26:55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

Then, it is time for changes, Jesus opens their understanding to know Christ had to die in that hour of darkness, and the disciples had to be weak in the flesh, as no light was in them yet, no spirit given until Christ glorified. Then, these same witnesses, who continued with him in His temptations, received power from on high, the same power of Christ and His light in them, to now have the power of God over the power of the devil ( the power of God is the Holy Spirit and the power of satan is the flesh, and its weakness, and sin in the law/death)..

Luke 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Then Peter filled with the Holy Ghost, is bold against the same high priest, no longer running, weak, afraid, and rebukes them instead ( now with Christ one in and with Peter) and shows the flesh changed, as did the mind, and the Spirit..

Acts 4:6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

The prayer changes, for God to grant the boldness, against their threatenings, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with boldness..

Acts 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

That is turning FROM DARKNESS, and FROM SATANS POWER, unto GOD, and the flesh changes from weakness to strength, being sanctified ( in the body, spirit and soul) WHOLLY, , WHICH IS WHAT PRESERVES US BLAMELESS, until the day of Christ, by faith that is in Christ ( and not their own weak efforts as seen in the first weak covenant, and in Mark and Sam and most in the whole world with no perfection come to them, or anything then, at all remaining in darkness)..

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Sam: " He sees the righteousness of Christ. But it is not "our" righteousness, not yet. The life we live, we live by continual faith in the Son of God, and His righteousness is imputed to us. "

Righteousness has to exceed the Pharisees, or it is like them, only righteous appearance but inside full of filth and death..

Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Luke 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

To those still in darkness, as the Pharisees in the first imperfect covenant, they do only works of darkness, not having any true light in them, a conscience to stop that way of satan being their father. The blind Pharisee, is told, to first clean within ( the heart) that the outside may be clean then also..

Matthew 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

The world of Pharisees and with deceivers with satan angry in them now too, cannot have any use for the promises, for us to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit ( thy need a changed spirit) which then is the perfecting of holiness n the fear of God..

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

prophecy_uk · Aug 23, 2021

Sam: This is exactly what Paul is talking about when he tells us to "Walk in the spirit, so that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh." Galatians 5:16

Sam, picking a verse, and then stopping his ears to not even hear the verses around it ?

It was not weakness in the flesh, as Sam tried to promote, that is how men are, at the hour of darkness, when the flesh and spirit needed sanctification/the Spirit given by Christ, that is what sanctifies, as it writes the law in the heart, it takes the stony heart out( new man) and it gives the new heart of flesh, that cant be a life long process, it is a belief, to believe in or never believe it/deny it instead. The summing up below is that when the Spirit is given, the law is finished ( remember no longer under a school master/understanding as a child, and Christ condemned sin in the flesh so the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh when the Spirit is our POWER AND MIGHTY THROUGH GOD TO THE PULLING DOWN OF STRONGHOLDS/NOT CARNAL WEAPONS)

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Sam: "We have to "pray without ceasing" 1 Thess 5:17, and remember that our "adversary, the devil, is like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Peter 5:8. Saying that it is not possible for us to sin is very dangerous. Paul warns, "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall." 1 Corinthians 10:12"

Pray without ceasing, is to pray to never sin, or for striving/trying, and knowing we pray for what we fail on ?

Pray without ceasing, is as told, to keep in the Spirit...

1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.

Holding fast the good ( not Sams hypocrisy that he believes he cant do the good he would?)

To keep from all evil ( which again Sam says the Apostles could only do the evil they would not)

But as shown/posted already, God sanctifies us WHOLLY, the prayer ( without ceasing) is to be kept in the Spirit, ( in the power of God, not weakness of the devils sins/flesh) for our spirit and soul and body to be preserved BLAMELESS unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and God who is faithful does just that..

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Sam : "Saying that it is not possible for us to sin is very dangerous. Paul warns, "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall." 1 Corinthians 10:12"

"Remember, after the Lord saved His people from Egypt, they still wondered in the wilderness for 40 years. And there were still giants that needed to be slain, in order that they might enter into to the land promised to them. And though they were saved from Egypt, their carcasses still fell in wilderness. The Bible says that "the just shall live by faith." It is not a one time event."

Sam, do you realize God is wiser than man, who gives one verse, and speaks about the same event elsewhere, without knowing to combine the two ?

God saved the people out of Israel, and for forty years they murmured, and fornicated, and had the first covenant there in mount Sini, but they were incapable of fulfilling the law, as that comes through the law of Christ ( belief in His rising from the dead to life in righteousness for us to now walk in and fulfil through the Spirit given for POWER, not weakness).

Notice ( Sam and Mark will not notice, but somebody notice) we are taught, the witness is to not be idolaters, as they were.

Afterwards, it is told to the ones who fall by doing the same example of Israel ( in idolatry) WHEREFORE LET HIM THAT THINKS HE STANDS TAKE HEED/ WHEREFORE FLEE IDOLATRY ( remember make the devil flee)

1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

1 Corinthians 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Sam "The Christian life is one of progressive sanctification, a continual process of battling against sin and striving for holiness. And it is one of constant discipline, where God continually disciplines His children. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons Hebrews 12:4-5"

Sam has one purpose, to make sanctification not done, never the change, never the belief, as no verses say we go through a progress of achieving sanctification and that we do not achieve it also. All verses say we ARE SANCTIFIED, and must remain so. Of course Sam knows that many are called and not chosen, so even his brain cant avoid that the scriptures are towards the many, and the few, the children of God, and those of the devil. To the devils ones, they are rebuked, and exhorted to believe as told, as exampled successfully by the Apostles, but they choose the way of failure and attempt of Israel instead, as they are appointed to this, and are not given to change.

Sam thinks the words of Hebrews 12:4, say we are striving and trying to achieve always.

Maybe if we do not cut out Hebrews 12:1-3, we read better, how exhortation is as always ( as it can only be) for the many who yet are in their fornications and thefts and never repented to cease the sin, to now set it aside, to stop the excuses for being weary and fainting ( weakness ) as Sam constantly upholds..

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

prophecy_uk · Aug 23, 2021

Mark : "i.e. 1 John 3:8 more literally says, "he who practices sin" or "he commits sin". The ESV says, "Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning."

Practicing or making a habit out of sin, for the devil has been practicing sin, doing habitual sin, sin as a habit from the beginning.

But, is that not why, we are warned here, to not let any man deceive us, as they try to deceive on these verses?

Surely it is correct and right, to examine, if the devil practiced sin, as a habit, or if it is further than that, that all the devil did and does, is to commit sin, and as also said in 1 John 3:8, those works of the devil ( all sinning) are destroyed ( dead to sin, or dead to the practice of sin ?)

John 8:44, includes the Pharisees ( and then man) of their father the devil, to do the lusts of their father, with no truth in him or them, only lies. Which is them practising sin, or being it/ as the devil is the father of ( it) lies, so his children are the children of lies ( sin)

Hosea 10:9 O Israel, thou hast sinned from the days of Gibeah: there they stood: the battle in Gibeah against the children of iniquity did not overtake them.

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride. ( the children of that king devil, are the children of pride/sin)

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It is still in question, practicing sin, or the doing of any of it ?

The verse preceeding 1 John 3:8, testifies, TO DO RIGHTEOUSNESS, is to be righteous, even as our Lord Jesus Christ is RIGHTEOUS.

The born of God ( Spirit, not flesh, John 1) do not sin, practicing, or at all ?

Manifested, cannot be the ones who do sin and the ones who practice sin, as nothing is manifested, when they do the SAME. What is MANIFESTED is, the children of the devil DO NO RIGHTEOUSNESS. THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL, NEITHER LOVE THEIR BROTHER. (DOING UNRIGHTEOUSNESS TO HIM)

This IS THE MESSAGE, to love one another, not as Cain an example of the devils child, whose works were evil ( practicing sin and only doing sin) but Abel's ( child of God) were righteous works..

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

I wont show many again, as this Mark/Sam, only ignores them. But, is it to practice sin is forbidden, or to live in sin is forbidden ?

The body of sin is not destroyed ( remember 1 John 3:8 the works of the devil destroyed) by someone who can still sin, to still be possible/capable of serving sin ( serving the devil and works of him)..

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 2:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Mark: "If you want hope, hope in the Lord, and his righteousness, not yours, nor in your faithfulness. Pursue the Lord with all your heart, and let him judge your shortcomings. "

What is wrong with our faithfulness, this is testified for us to be faithful as Abraham's example.

His righteousness/faithfulness, is our faithfulness/righteousness.

Matthew 24:45 WHO THEN IS A FAITHFUL AND WISE SERVANT, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, TO GIVE THEM MEAT IN DUE SEASON?

Matthew 25:21 His lord said unto him, WELL DONE, THOU GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Luke 16:10 HE THAT IS FAITHFUL IN THAT WHICH IS LEAST IS FAITHFUL ALSO IN MUCH: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

1 Corinthians 4:2 Moreover it is REQUIRED IN STEWARDS, THAT A ,MAN BE FOUND TO BE FAITHFUL.

Galatians 3:9 So then THEY WHICH BE OF FAITH ARE BLESSED WITH FAITHFUL ABRAHAM.

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be A MERCIFUL AND FAITHFUL HIGH PRIEST in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, WHO IS THE FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: BE THOU FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are WITH HI ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; AND HE THAT SAT UPON HIM WAS CALLED FAITHFUL AND TRUE, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

mARK: "If we [are confessing] (present tense continuous action) our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive (an event, not continuous action, yet conditional on the confession) us all our sins, and to cleanse (same tense as 'forgiven') us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9"

Present evil world, and we must be prepared b and for Christ, ,by confessing, cleansing, and then non doing of the devils works, in his present evil world with his many devoted evil doing/following deceivers/deceived, to now, ( present tense) CLEANSE OURSELVES FROM ALL FILTHINESS OF THE FLESH AND SPIRIT ( NEED A NEW SPIRIT TO BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND) PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD, to put off this corrupt talking/walking old man, to put on Christ, the new man as the Apostles did, to have fellowship with the LIGHT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUE HOLINESS ...

Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

For the blasphemers, it is told, woe to them to turn light into darkness..

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Sam Saved by Grace · Aug 23, 2021

We are not in our glorified bodies, yet. We are still in our weak flesh. Our flesh has not yet been redeemed, and that is precisely why we must trust in the perfect righteousness of Christ, looking to the day when we are glorified as Christ was glorified. This is why the entire New Testament is filled with exhortations to live Holy. We must continually walk in the spirit and continually mortify the deeds of the body. We are to be ruled by the Spirit and not by our flesh.

Yes, we must indeed resist all temptation to sin. But if we do sin, God will forgive us, and cleanse us, if we confess our sins to Him. And we have the power to live free from sin, in the spirit. But in the flesh, we do not yet have such power.

There are sins that are not blatant, sins that are due to the weakness of our mortal bodies. These must be dealt with as we grow in the grace of God. I cannot say that I perfectly love God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength 100% of the time (but I know that Christ did/does, and He is my High Priest). If I sleep too long, that is a sin, because it falls short of God's glory. If I rely too much on coffee, that is sin, because it falls short of God's glory. If I see an attractive woman and I don't look away IMMEDIATELY, that is sin. If I get angry because someone cut me off in traffic, that is sin. If I continue to eat when I am no longer hungry, but only because I like the food, that is sin. If I have an emission of male fluid in my sleep, that is sin. All you have to do is read the Law of God, the Torah. Not just the moral law but also the laws of holiness. If you don't keep the law 100%, then you are not as perfect as Jesus, who fulfilled the Law perfectly.

If any man claims that he has already achieved perfection in all ways, in everything he does, he is deceiving himself, just as the Bible says. He is a liar who does not practice the truth. And if anyone thinks they have their glorified body already, they are completely delusional. They can still sin, they can still get sick, and they will still die.

The Word of God is true. And a heretical eisegesis of cherry picked scriptures does absolutely nothing to change the facts.

DaDaBrothers · Aug 23, 2021

To all sinners myself included:
How can I say Im saved and still sin?

I can't, this was my conscience telling me they can't fit together, "for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?"
There is no sharing the temple, no serving two masters.

I couldn't compute in my head beeing a sinner, and claiming (falsely) to be a Christian, I can't do it, it's not for me, it is wicked and it undermines Christianity. But many so called "Christians" or brothers, people who say they're saved can live with sin in the midsts of their faith, as we've seen here, and they allow it, and defend it. It is because of them that Christianity isn't taken seriously outside in the world.
Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

Sin is not allowed in any saved Christian, not one sin, is acceptable unto the Lord, because a saved Christian is a new man born of God by His seed that cannot sin, created in true Holiness, who walks in the Light after the things of the Spirit, a living witness and testimony of the living God, Jesus Christ.
"Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."
It is better for me to swallow my pride and admit im not born of God, then to go and defend my sin, saying im a "Christian",yeah im "saved", while they can still sin, misrepresenting Christianity and the saints, with unbiblical doctrine of new man saints that can sin, and saved sinners who remain sinners..

So how do we tell the sheep from the goats ?
1 John 2:3-5
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

We know them by their fruits, on the end it's all about who follows His commandments and who doesn't.
Because if you really believe Jesus Christ is King, you bow your knee, and obey it's orders like a good and faithfull servant. These are the doers and not hearers only..

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

And who gets rejected by Jesus ?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The sinners of course the workers of iniquity, the devil works iniquity, and Jesus destroys it.
And notice:
"I never knew you" means this worker of iniquity never kept the commandments, because it's by the keeping of His word that "we do know that we know Him"
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Mark Quayle · Aug 23, 2021

DaDaBrothers said:
Sin is not allowed in any saved Christian, not one sin, is acceptable unto the Lord

I don't know many that claim even one sin is acceptable. Sam isn't saying it, nor have I said it. THAT is the thing that you and the self-named "prophet" don't seem to get. I agree with you completely that no man can serve two masters.

Therefore: Repentance. Confession and forgiveness.

As far as I know, nobody in this discussion has defended their sin. I think we all would agree that sinning, even one sin, each sin, is claiming not to belong to Christ. Beyond that, it is claiming God is a liar and irrelevant. But so is claiming to be without sin.

When you began the thread, you sounded like you didn't know whether there is such a thing as a sinless believer. Then you jumped on the wagon the self-named "prophet" was towing; now I don't quite know what to think of you. I think you know in your heart that you are not without sin, and if you feel safer to claim not to be a Christian, I certainly hope you don't claim it because of Christ's failure, in your mind, to be your righteousness, but because of what the Scripture teaches about the new creation.

Meanwhile understand what Grace means.

Sam Saved by Grace · Aug 23, 2021

DaDa Brothers: it is a very good sign that you do not want to sin. A new nature is what the Lord gives His people. I would encourage you to fight against sin in all it's forms. But there is more to it than just saying, "I am now a Christian, now I cannot sin." It is a constant battle. The spiritual warfare is ongoing.

Here are some tips: Every morning, spend time in prayer, and pray throughout the day. A Christian can never outgrow his prayer life. And the Word of God is everything - it is how God, through the Spirit, speaks to us. Read it prayerfully. Meditate on it. Let your mind be renewed by it. Get yourself a good Bible - I recommend the NASB or the ESV. Wear it out reading it and take notes. Remember, it is when we know the truth that the truth sets us free. Lastly, I recommend joining a Bible based church that holds to sound doctrine. I recommend a reformed church, one that holds to "the doctrines of grace". Look up churches in your area and read their statement of faith on the internet. I would avoid any churches that look worldly and are not led by elders. Pray for wisdom in this matter - I would also be happy to help you in the matter.

Don't you dare question your salvation. Don't let the false prophet bring you under condemnation. that is his purpose. He comes onto this site not to lift up others, but to be lifted up himself. Do not let him confuse you or make you doubt. Remember the Word of God: My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 1 John 2:1 Instead of looking at your own righteousness, or lack thereof, your eyes should be fixed firmly upon Jesus Christ. If you are saved, all your sins, past, present, and future have been paid for by the atoning work of Christ. You are free from the penalty of sin. And by the resurrection of Christ from the dead, we have both power over sin and a promise of a final victory over death itself.

Stop letting the false prophet confuse you. He is in love with himself.

Sam Saved by Grace · Aug 23, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
Sam: "The "Prophet" does not have his glorified body"

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

prophecy_uk said:
Challenge for Sam( and friends whose doctrine says we are not in a glorified body yet)

Can they show even one verse out of 1 Corinthians 15:42-49, to be of future tense and not a glorified body yet, or they cannot, as the scriptures show this is present tense to believe in Christ?

You showed it yourself, lol. The glorified body pertains to the resurrection of the dead. Notice verse 49 says, "...we shall also...". That's future tense. As in, it hasn't happened yet.

...men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:18

The context of 1 Corinthians 15:42 deals with the resurrection of the dead, which has NOT yet taken place. It is at the resurrection of the dead that we are given our perfect, glorified bodies.

Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Stop teaching lies, "prophet".

prophecy_uk · Aug 24, 2021

Sam's doctrine/opinion so far, is that we have to strive, keep trying, as all the warnings in the Epistles exhort to not be fornicators, liars angry etc. Sam also says, that the flesh is weak,/weakness, revealing a failure in mans striving to please God/not offend others, and to not please ourselves, but that we must constantly battle against it.

Here is some more for Sam and all to consider.

Jesus did remind all Israel ( when He came to them telling them the Gospel which was previously never revealed or considered) how they heard and practiced, the commandments of the Lord, to not kill, and Jesus begins revealing the Gospel, how now, to be angry without reason, receives the judgement of hell fire. The Gospels are full of warning and rebuke for the Pharisees, but they were not given the way to escape that damnation of hell. What comes on the Pharisees is all the guilt and responsibility, of all the prophets they murdered and their blood that they shed....

Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matthew 5, of course then explains more, how breaking the least commandment ( for the Pharisee) means they do not enter ito the Kingdom of Heaven ( as the Pharisees, and Israels way of course meant they never got to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, as it was only preached now by Jesus to Israel)

Sam highlighted weakness in the disciples, and that was true, they were weak, as was all Israel, and that can be the only reason Jesus says, to strive to enter in at the straight gate, because the wide gate the Pharisees and all Israel were always trying on, was the wide path of weakness, and then failure ( Jesus did not reveal the way until eyes are given to see with/ an heart given to know the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven)...

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

I know that Sam, Mark whoever they are, whoever cant just go and read and see for themselves, ignore all that is told, or try to find anything at all they can pick on and show as some kind of error.

But, this is the testimony, how God had not given to Israel eyes to see with, and a heart to perceive with. Israel was given all the commandments, which if a man do them, he shall even live in them, but without the heart to perceive, they instead had cursing instead of blessing ( never were enabled to do all of the ten commandments even though all the scriptures warned them to try to do them)..

Deuteronomy 29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
4 Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

Ezekiel 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

This is why nothing changed in the Epistles either ( as the same warnings to Israel by Jesus in the Gospel to keep the commandments, to keep the law, were warned to them again as in the old testament everywhere) but when Israel questioned what should they do, to do the works of God, Jesus did reveal the answer, all their labour is in vain, as they labour for what they do not know yet ( need the heart given to perceive with) which leads to death in the sin they produce through all their own ways ( own idea of godliness) but the work of God is this, to believe on Him who He has sent. This being the bread of His body He was about to give for us and into us ( must eat His body/ believe we need this to now live and not perish as always before in their worldy understanding ways)...

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Now, see the rest of the testimony ( it cant be ignored even though it cant be accepted)

God prepared all things by the testimony to Abraham, how all are saved by that faith, just mentioned above for Israel to believe on the Son of man. Israel being cursed by not continuing in the law ( as all failed that law and none were good) remained cursed and remained opposed to Christ up until this day. Now the just lives by faith, as Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law Israel is still following, for the blessings of Abraham to come on us if we receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This is Sam still stuck then, in that old cursed way ( as Jesus said many seek to enter and are not able to find the narrow way) By being blinded, but the Spirit of the Lord gives the liberty to see, ( the freedom from sin that blinded man and still blinds them) then to be changed into the same image of the glory of the Lord by the Spirit of the Lord..

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Sm and friends of the word, always take the verses backwards, instead of going in the forward direction as we are supposed to do.

The law ( cursed so must be finished) brought us as children to Christ, then, when Jesus brought the perfect new way ( they hate this word perfect for some reason) we put away that childishness to know God, even as we are known( it is empty to think we are still under a schoolmaster as a child and not become a man of God with the Son of God now in us) but they still see darkly as through a glass, blind and not eyes to see with and the heart given to perceive with..

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

I explained and testified all his, it was resisted, ignored, and ridiculed, so I explain again.

The law ( Israel was in and the Pharisees warned by Jesus but unable as always for Israel, to be able to do the works of God, which are to believe on the Son) made nothing perfect, Jesus brought the hope for us to be saved by, then the sinners are exhorted everywhere to draw near to God, but they wont and cant, (unless given thew heart to believe with by God not by any man) as Jesus even says He must draw us..

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Now, the teachers of the law ( they say they are weak and cant keep any law of God perfectly) understand nothing of what they affirm.

The law was made for the unrighteous man, for the liars, for all that is contrary to the sound doctrine of Christ. Apostle Paul is enabled by God to put him into this ministry. The ministry is, charity out of a pure heart and a good conscience ( that heart and conscience is not there unless Christ draws you and gives it to you then you dispute as did the Pharisees and you continue on in the curse of failure as did Israel)..

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

But, we are not come to the example of Israel, who did not want the word spoken to them any more, unable to endure what was commanded, but we come to Jesus which is the church of the firstborn, making the spirits of just men perfect ( with the perfect Spirit given into them) and many strive to enter but are unable, refusing what is spoken from Heaven, as did Israel..

Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

prophecy_uk · Aug 24, 2021

Thursday at 6:48 PM

Sam: "From this point on, I am going to ignore him. I would encourage everyone else to do the same. Don't feed into it."

Today at 2:26 AM

"Stop teaching lies, "prophet"."

Sam, everybody can only imagine what lies you do in your life that we don't see, when it is so easy to show you lying here in front of us.

Sam: "You showed it yourself, lol. The glorified body pertains to the resurrection of the dead. Notice verse 49 says, "...we shall also...". That's future tense. As in, it hasn't happened yet."

Yes, I asked Sam to show any other verses, showing we do not have a body now that overcomes sin, as Christ overcame this world. His best is trying to interprete the verse I talked about as future tense. That is not another verse, other scriptures as there are no other as I said to him.

But, of course I do have more to show, this is present tense, to not be born of blood now, but of the Spirit..

1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Do I have to correct all your depravity Sam, I know people have no conscience and a hard heart, but cant you notice you are corrected on every word you spoke here, go back and see.

1 Corinthians 15:12-19, begins showing how there is no resurrection, which is told to be their denial of Christ rising from the dead to life for us. This frees us from our sins, givingt us the Spirit to be as Christ now, with Christ in us now. It is the hope, as all these verses are for hope, to save us from the deah we receive if we continue to sin, and dying then in those sins.

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Sam: "...men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:18

The context of 1 Corinthians 15:42 deals with the resurrection of the dead, which has NOT yet taken place. It is at the resurrection of the dead that we are given our perfect, glorified bodies."

Reading the rest of the context, as one liner Sam likes one verses and a quick "win" for him, we see how all who name Christ must depart from iniquity, and the ones who denied the resurrection( saying it is past) teach to remain in iniquity, but to say sorry for it.

But the word continues, against their word, to be a vessel to honour to God, sanctified, right for God, prepared for every good work, is not Sam';s overthrowing same word, of being a vessel of dishonour, not of gold, but of wood and earth( the first man and body is of the earth, the second man in us is the Lord from Heaven, NOW)..

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

2 Timothy 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Sam: "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52"

Sam, is so convenient at his professed "weak"" body/mind answers ( remember with the body and mind they serve the law of sin..Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

But Sam, all is corrected on you, not part but every single part, in all you spoke with me, anyone can see if hey want to. This is a MYSTERY, and Sams way of understanding a mystery, is by it not being a mystery, but self interpretation of it being Christ returning and we being changed.

But, I can show the mystery.

You shall not see Christ with observation, as the Kingdom of Heaven is within us,

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The corruptible must be changed, to overcome death, the death in this world, as the strength of sin that causes death, is the law, in this world, it is telling us about things we need to do now ( false prophets by the way tell us there is no danger and we do not need to do what God says and warns about).

Then death is swallowed up in victory, this is the way to immortality as we are told, and this is how we thank the Lord Jesus Christ, who present tense, has given us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Proving and ended the chapter that it is all present tense, is the summing up purpose ( liars take the purpose away) that we therefore, must now be stedfast, unmovable, always abounding through grace in the work of the Lord, this was all for hope purpose to show all of this labour and belief in change is not in vain ( as the vain teachers can only teach for vanity sake, and vain understanding, perverseness and blind contradiction and foolishness..

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Mark Quayle · Aug 24, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
Sam's doctrine/opinion so far, is that we have to strive, keep trying, as all the warnings in the Epistles exhort to not be fornicators, liars angry etc. Sam also says, that the flesh is weak,/weakness, revealing a failure in mans striving to please God/not offend others, and to not please ourselves, but that we must constantly battle against it.

Here is some more for Sam and all to consider.

Jesus did remind all Israel ( when He came to them telling them the Gospel which was previously never revealed or considered) how they heard and practiced, the commandments of the Lord, to not kill, and Jesus begins revealing the Gospel, how now, to be angry without reason, receives the judgement of hell fire. The Gospels are full of warning and rebuke for the Pharisees, but they were not given the way to escape that damnation of hell. What comes on the Pharisees is all the guilt and responsibility, of all the prophets they murdered and their blood that they shed....

Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matthew 5, of course then explains more, how breaking the least commandment ( for the Pharisee) means they do not enter ito the Kingdom of Heaven ( as the Pharisees, and Israels way of course meant they never got to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, as it was only preached now by Jesus to Israel)

Sam highlighted weakness in the disciples, and that was true, they were weak, as was all Israel, and that can be the only reason Jesus says, to strive to enter in at the straight gate, because the wide gate the Pharisees and all Israel were always trying on, was the wide path of weakness, and then failure ( Jesus did not reveal the way until eyes are given to see with/ an heart given to know the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven)...

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

I know that Sam, Mark whoever they are, whoever cant just go and read and see for themselves, ignore all that is told, or try to find anything at all they can pick on and show as some kind of error.

But, this is the testimony, how God had not given to Israel eyes to see with, and a heart to perceive with. Israel was given all the commandments, which if a man do them, he shall even live in them, but without the heart to perceive, they instead had cursing instead of blessing ( never were enabled to do all of the ten commandments even though all the scriptures warned them to try to do them)..

Deuteronomy 29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
4 Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

Ezekiel 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

This is why nothing changed in the Epistles either ( as the same warnings to Israel by Jesus in the Gospel to keep the commandments, to keep the law, were warned to them again as in the old testament everywhere) but when Israel questioned what should they do, to do the works of God, Jesus did reveal the answer, all their labour is in vain, as they labour for what they do not know yet ( need the heart given to perceive with) which leads to death in the sin they produce through all their own ways ( own idea of godliness) but the work of God is this, to believe on Him who He has sent. This being the bread of His body He was about to give for us and into us ( must eat His body/ believe we need this to now live and not perish as always before in their worldy understanding ways)...

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Now, see the rest of the testimony ( it cant be ignored even though it cant be accepted)

God prepared all things by the testimony to Abraham, how all are saved by that faith, just mentioned above for Israel to believe on the Son of man. Israel being cursed by not continuing in the law ( as all failed that law and none were good) remained cursed and remained opposed to Christ up until this day. Now the just lives by faith, as Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law Israel is still following, for the blessings of Abraham to come on us if we receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This is Sam still stuck then, in that old cursed way ( as Jesus said many seek to enter and are not able to find the narrow way) By being blinded, but the Spirit of the Lord gives the liberty to see, ( the freedom from sin that blinded man and still blinds them) then to be changed into the same image of the glory of the Lord by the Spirit of the Lord..

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Sm and friends of the word, always take the verses backwards, instead of going in the forward direction as we are supposed to do.

The law ( cursed so must be finished) brought us as children to Christ, then, when Jesus brought the perfect new way ( they hate this word perfect for some reason) we put away that childishness to know God, even as we are known( it is empty to think we are still under a schoolmaster as a child and not become a man of God with the Son of God now in us) but they still see darkly as through a glass, blind and not eyes to see with and the heart given to perceive with..

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

I explained and testified all his, it was resisted, ignored, and ridiculed, so I explain again.

The law ( Israel was in and the Pharisees warned by Jesus but unable as always for Israel, to be able to do the works of God, which are to believe on the Son) made nothing perfect, Jesus brought the hope for us to be saved by, then the sinners are exhorted everywhere to draw near to God, but they wont and cant, (unless given thew heart to believe with by God not by any man) as Jesus even says He must draw us..

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Now, the teachers of the law ( they say they are weak and cant keep any law of God perfectly) understand nothing of what they affirm.

The law was made for the unrighteous man, for the liars, for all that is contrary to the sound doctrine of Christ. Apostle Paul is enabled by God to put him into this ministry. The ministry is, charity out of a pure heart and a good conscience ( that heart and conscience is not there unless Christ draws you and gives it to you then you dispute as did the Pharisees and you continue on in the curse of failure as did Israel)..

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

But, we are not come to the example of Israel, who did not want the word spoken to them any more, unable to endure what was commanded, but we come to Jesus which is the church of the firstborn, making the spirits of just men perfect ( with the perfect Spirit given into them) and many strive to enter but are unable, refusing what is spoken from Heaven, as did Israel..

Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Amazing the number of words you add up for yourself, to make a whole condemnation for those who only testify to the truth of the Scriptures that YOU yourself quote at length —Scriptures that repeatedly tell us how to live in submission to Christ, and of the hope/expectation of what is ahead for the Elect. By your own words you will be measured.

DaDaBrothers · Aug 24, 2021

Mark : "I think we all would agree that sinning, even one sin, each sin, is claiming not to belong to Christ."

Yes, good to have some common ground with you Mark, we all agree on this, one sin is guilty of all, the wages of sin is death.

Mark : "Therefore: Repentance. Confession and forgiveness."

You were the one who presented the excuse of killing Christ multiple times is this how you do it ? Is this your formula so you can keep sinnig forever? Sin and repent?

You understand that without "shedding of blood is no remission" ( of sins )
What will the advocate with the Father think of you if you trample on His blood?

When I began the thread, yes I kinda was looking for the sinless believer, and it is biblical, if it weren't for the Prophet I would be deceived until now, with at least half a dozen excuses so I could sin. The most capricious one beeing the one offered by Sam, that said It's the flesh that sins, It wasn't me, taking away all guilt and responsability for my transgression. To be carnally minded is death.

Talking about Sam I think the reason why he's deceived is because of that total depraved heresy of the calvinists. This made him not believe in righteousness, not believe that he could be perfected in Love so that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in him. He can't let go of his fallen nature, his old man, that should be crucified with Christ.

Sam : "It is a constant battle. The spiritual warfare is ongoing."

He doesn't sound like someone who overcame the world and has been made free from sin, with all due respect, if you're still fighting you haven't won yet.

There is one thing tho, that neither Sam nor anyone can do, the unforgivable sin of blasphemy..
And this goes to everyone who claims to have the Holy Spirit of God in them. ( great freedom, great responsibility )

God cannot be tempted with evil.

If you claim to have the Holy Spirit in you, you are claiming to be born of God, His seed, the quickening Spirit of Jesus Christ this means you cannot sin (absolutely illegal) this is what John told us about.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You can't claim to have the Holy Spirit and say you can still sin, doing so might be blasphemy.
Because the Holy Spirit cannot sin.
So maybe you've never had Him, or He left you the second before you sin, because He cannot sin, or maybe, since he kinda controls you, by beeing together with your soul, He could give you and itense urge to flee fornication or something like that.
Point beeing the Holy Spirit cannot (possibly) sin. (Ever)

Lost4words · Aug 24, 2021

Everyone is a sinner. Everyone.

Jesus came to save sinners. He gave us a way to repent, to be forgiven, knowing that we are forever weak. We are flesh. We need the cross to turn to when we fall, no matter how small our fall may be!

Mark Quayle · Aug 24, 2021

DaDaBrothers said:
You were the one who presented the excuse of killing Christ multiple times is this how you do it ? Is this your formula so you can keep sinnig forever? Sin and repent?

That is not what I said. And WHY would I want to keep sinning forever?

DaDaBrothers said:
You understand that without "shedding of blood is no remission" ( of sins )
What will the advocate with the Father think of you if you trample on His blood?

I am more than aware of the Scripture on this. Why do you (and your 'prophet') think anyone lives perfectly? If we have an advocate, why does the verse bring him up specifically in the context, "And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father." Why does this book, addressed to "my little children", obviously believers, go to so much trouble to show that they indeed do need to confess their sin, ALREADY BELIEVING, and showing the confidence in promised forgiveness?

DaDaBrothers said:
When I began the thread, yes I kinda was looking for the sinless believer, and it is biblical, if it weren't for the Prophet I would be deceived until now, with at least half a dozen excuses so I could sin. The most capricious one beeing the one offered by Sam, that said It's the flesh that sins, It wasn't me, taking away all guilt and responsability for my transgression. To be carnally minded is death.

It is not biblical. Sorry. This is no excuse: If it were an excuse we would be living like those you seem to think we are, but we do not continue in sin. The self-important, self-named 'prophet' has deceived you.

The shelves in the Christian bookstores are full of books that use his method to convince people of their particular "theology". If I was to use his method, I would make my condemning statements concerning him, and while I was at it, include you, and then use Scripture references to such people as I think he is. It means nothing.

The fact that you may have felt "a stirring" also means nothing, except that what he said rang a bell in you. I know, you didn't say that. I added it because I expect what he said was taken for truth merely because it felt right. There is no end to the believers who think the Spirit of God spoke to them through someone else —someone else who on further reflection turn out to be a false teacher, or at least deceived, or immature at best. To become convinced, and that, dogmatically already, in such a short time, shows not the Spirit of God at work, but desperation, and maybe immaturity.

This self-styled 'prophet' speaks of not listening to the words he says and scriptures he uses: Already I see you ignoring the obvious references to the the 'old man' still at work against the Spirit within us, even in the verses that he quotes. The obvious fact of continual mortifying of the flesh, the need to 'be killing the old man' —not just to have killed him.

DaDaBrothers said:
Talking about Sam I think the reason why he's deceived is because of that total depraved heresy of the calvinists. This made him not believe in righteousness, not believe that he could be perfected in Love so that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in him. He can't let go of his fallen nature, his old man, that should be crucified with Christ.

Your 'prophet' has gone off the deep end, I think. Do you think this guy is actually already 'glorified'? I have hope for you, and even some for him too, because if not, what will God do with me, who am also so easily 'beset' with sin.

You claim that no sin happens to the believer. Thus, you have said, you are not actually saved. Think about what you are saying. You fail to take into account the majority of Scriptures, that tell us the characteristics and pursuits of the believer. WHY would it tell us, for example, the fruits of the Spirit, if they are already complete in us? WHY the need for growth, maturity?

God shows his strength in our weaknesses, not in our ultimate success upon becoming a new Christian.

DaDaBrothers said:
Sam : "It is a constant battle. The spiritual warfare is ongoing."

He doesn't sound like someone who overcame the world and has been made free from sin, with all due respect, if you're still fighting you haven't won yet.

Really? READ SCRIPTURE

DaDaBrothers said:
You can't claim to have the Holy Spirit and say you can still sin, doing so might be blasphemy.

Claiming to be without sin is blasphemy. It does not happen in this life.

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." —from 1 John 1.

Ceallaigh · Aug 24, 2021

I'd say there's a difference between stumbling occasionally, and practicing sin. Practicing sin means practicing it like a doctor practices medicine. Doctors spend most of their time practicing medicine. It's what they're known for. It's what defines them. So certainly a Christian should not be practicing sin.

But Christian's do stumble once in a while. They make little mistakes here and there. And they learn from their mistakes.

It's like the difference between a worker who messes up a little here and there, and a worker who's willfully negligent.

That's my two cents worth.

Ceallaigh · Aug 24, 2021

Oscarr said:
Did you know that Charles Spurgeon smoked? Didn't prevent him being one of the most fruitful preachers of the century.

I wouldn't have anything to do with a Christian who smoked (pay no attention to my avatar).

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Do you sin ?

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