Why the multistep process?

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I've noticed the Lord nudge me to do something and only after I do that do I gain an new insight/ information that I didn't even know I needed. Sometimes the 1st step is unrelated to the insight gained. I wonder does step one get me in a better position to receive insight? Why not just give insight directly? Or maybe its an obedience test? These are everyday things not extraordinary first steps like a chore or the name of a book of the Bible. For whatever reason, step one in its routine/mundane leads to valuable stuff. It kind of baffles me but not in a bad way.

I'm sure others can relate in some way. What do you all think?
 

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I've noticed the Lord nudge me to do something and only after I do that do I gain an new insight/ information that I didn't even know I needed. Sometimes the 1st step is unrelated to the insight gained. I wonder does step one get me in a better position to receive insight? Why not just give insight directly? Or maybe its an obedience test? These are everyday things not extraordinary first steps like a chore or the name of a book of the Bible. For whatever reason, step one in its routine/mundane leads to valuable stuff. It kind of baffles me but not in a bad way.

I'm sure others can relate in some way. What do you all think?
Has to do with the theological fact of sovereignty vs human will. We tend to think we should be able to do what is right, were we just given the facts. But God didn't make us for that, but to be one with him. We have to learn to depend on God, even as Jesus Christ did on his Heavenly Father.

Perhaps you have noticed how beautiful is the heart of someone who has despaired of getting by in this life, and broken, cries out to God for help.
 
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I've noticed the Lord nudge me to do something and only after I do that do I gain an new insight/ information that I didn't even know I needed. Sometimes the 1st step is unrelated to the insight gained. I wonder does step one get me in a better position to receive insight? Why not just give insight directly? Or maybe its an obedience test? These are everyday things not extraordinary first steps like a chore or the name of a book of the Bible. For whatever reason, step one in its routine/mundane leads to valuable stuff. It kind of baffles me but not in a bad way.

I'm sure others can relate in some way. What do you all think?
My experience is that the Lord cannot correct a fault until He first causes me to see
it in myself, and acknowledge the need. Then I can confess(admit) my fault, and be cleansed.
Here is a description of a process:

2 Peter 1:
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But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,
7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
 
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I've noticed the Lord nudge me to do something and only after I do that do I gain an new insight/ information that I didn't even know I needed. Sometimes the 1st step is unrelated to the insight gained. I wonder does step one get me in a better position to receive insight? Why not just give insight directly? Or maybe its an obedience test? These are everyday things not extraordinary first steps like a chore or the name of a book of the Bible. For whatever reason, step one in its routine/mundane leads to valuable stuff. It kind of baffles me but not in a bad way.

I'm sure others can relate in some way. What do you all think?
I've totally noticed that happening, too! :pointup:
 
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I've noticed the Lord nudge me to do something and only after I do that do I gain an new insight/ information that I didn't even know I needed. Sometimes the 1st step is unrelated to the insight gained. I wonder does step one get me in a better position to receive insight? Why not just give insight directly? Or maybe its an obedience test? These are everyday things not extraordinary first steps like a chore or the name of a book of the Bible. For whatever reason, step one in its routine/mundane leads to valuable stuff. It kind of baffles me but not in a bad way.

I'm sure others can relate in some way. What do you all think?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 says, “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

Important Note: Today for the New Covenant believer (who is saved by God's grace), this would be the commands that come from Jesus and His followers in the New Testament (and it would not be trying to obey all of the Old Law; For Christians do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, and holy days, etc.).

Proverbs 1:7 says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

John 14:23 says, “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

1 John 2:3-6 says, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”

However, there are those who think otherwise by believing that they can break God's commands and say they either know Him and or that they are saved.

Some think things changed when the apostle Paul came on to the scene. But the apostle Paul says this about the words of Jesus.

“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,...” (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
 
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Ecclesiastes 12:13 says, “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

Important Note: Today for the New Covenant believer (who is saved by God's grace), this would be the commands that come from Jesus and His followers in the New Testament (and it would not be trying to obey all of the Old Law; For Christians do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, and holy days, etc.).

Proverbs 1:7 says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

John 14:23 says, “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

1 John 2:3-6 says, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”

However, there are those who think otherwise by believing that they can break God's commands and say they either know Him and or that they are saved.

Some think things changed when the apostle Paul came on to the scene. But the apostle Paul says this about the words of Jesus.

“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,...” (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Love me some Scriptural answers!
 
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Has to do with the theological fact of sovereignty vs human will. We tend to think we should be able to do what is right, were we just given the facts. But God didn't make us for that, but to be one with him. We have to learn to depend on God, even as Jesus Christ did on his Heavenly Father.

Perhaps you have noticed how beautiful is the heart of someone who has despaired of getting by in this life, and broken, cries out to God for help.

Amen to that, sir! The topic of God's rightful sovereignty vs human gives me inner chills. We don't stand a chance but, oh, how we pretend to. The word "submission" or "obedience" is a bit taboo but it leads to great things biblically speaking. I once enjoyed a Christian counseling course in college. The main point of of one of the books came down to helping other people depend more on the Lord. That is what good Christian counselors do. May we only clue in more often, myself included for sure. Thanks for your wholesome reply!
 
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My experience is that the Lord cannot correct a fault until He first causes me to see
it in myself, and acknowledge the need. Then I can confess(admit) my fault, and be cleansed.
Here is a description of a process:

2 Peter 1:
5
But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,
7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Its not a sin correction type information I receive in these cases, but thanks for replying!
 
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I've totally noticed that happening, too! :pointup:
It happens for sure. Not terribley common for me but noticeable. Thanks for replying. It always affirming to hear others have similar experiences.
 
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If God answered every request immediately, you wouldn't need faith. You would have real time answers. I think the Lord wants us to trust him and be patient and understanding, plus bear in mind the Lord gets requests from close to 1 billion Christians so while the Lord Jesus is omnipresent and omnipotent, He still has a ton of information to process every second of every day 24/7. Humans operate on a time scale. The Lord is outside the time dimension which is why Scripture tells us that 1 day to the Lord is like 1000 to man and vice versus. It means God's lens is focused on eternity, while we can barely see one day ahead of time.
 
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I've noticed the Lord nudge me to do something and only after I do that do I gain an new insight/ information that I didn't even know I needed. Sometimes the 1st step is unrelated to the insight gained. I wonder does step one get me in a better position to receive insight? Why not just give insight directly? Or maybe its an obedience test? These are everyday things not extraordinary first steps like a chore or the name of a book of the Bible. For whatever reason, step one in its routine/mundane leads to valuable stuff. It kind of baffles me but not in a bad way.

I'm sure others can relate in some way. What do you all think?
@HappyHope It all depends on what Jesus is trying to teach you. I find when Im in a learning mindset from the Bible or a testimony I all of a sudden have things in my life and opportunities to apply what I've learned.

We're all at different stages and all have different learning styles. I'm sure if you wanted to learn differently and you just told Jesus He listens to us and can always change our learning styles. Also if you're content with how things work now they may continue until another level of maturity and learning ensues
 
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