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Yeah I was off here I guess. There are about 6 million African Americans that are 65 and older. They would need to be about 72 to have gone through anything like Jim Crow.

Time to check your math again.

2021-1965 = 56.

And half of them wouldn't have been there.

Again, Jim Crow laws weren't limited to the deep south. There were racist policies and practices all over the place. William Levitt, for example, more-or-less invented the American suburb with his "Levittown" developments in the northeast. The racist covenants he used to keep blacks out of those developments weren't banned until the Fair Housing Act was passed in 1968.

Levittown - Wikipedia

Are you trying to tell me that the civil rights act didn't end Jim Crow? That it wasn't at least until 1984? What kind of nonsense is that?

There was not one "civil rights act"; there were several. And no, they didn't entirely end Jim Crow, because many people and places refused to abide by those new rules and often sought ways to work around them. The resulting cases took years to wind through the courts.
 
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Time to check your math again.

2021-1965 = 56.

That's if you were born in 65. You really wouldn't go through Jim Crow. You'd need to be older. And I was rounding too.

Again, Jim Crow laws weren't limited to the deep south. There were racist policies and practices all over the place. William Levitt, for example, more-or-less invented the American suburb with his "Levittown" developments in the northeast. The racist covenants he used to keep blacks out of those developments weren't banned until the Fair Housing Act was passed in 1968.

Levittown - Wikipedia



There was not one "civil rights act"; there were several. And no, they didn't entirely end Jim Crow, because many people and places refused to abide by those new rules and often sought ways to work around them. The resulting cases took years to wind through the courts.

Jim Crow had to deal with laws. That's why they were called Jim Crow Laws.

The Civil Rights act delt with those.

And no one is saying there never has been or isn't any racist activities. You guys just can't get away from that can you?

Oh hers and example it there is an example. Give me a break. We are talking about TODAY not 60 years ago. Jim Crow was in the south. That's why 50% of the African Americans moved out of there.

There are NO Jim Crow laws anymore. The Gigantic majority of white Americans are not racist. America is not a racist country and African Americans have the same opportunities as everyone else. There are no laws or rules that prevent them fr success.

CRT seeks to divide people on racial lines. Something you have just been pointing out as bad. If this were aimed at blacks you would be calling it evil.

Yes there WERE some things that needed to get ironed out in places. The south didn't magically become non-racist after the Civil Rights Act.

But to continue to harp on white people are all racists at heart is nothing but divisive.

Tenn. School English Lesson Teaches That Whites Are Racists Who Oppress Minorities - The New American
 
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Jim Crow had to deal with laws. That's why they were called Jim Crow Laws.

And the racist housing practices I described were legal.

The Civil Rights act delt with those.

The Civil Rights ActS (plural). As I pointed out, the one that contained the Fair Housing Act provisions passed in 1968.

And no one is saying there never has been or isn't any racist activities. You guys just can't get away from that can you?

Whoa, look at those goalposts move. I never claimed that you said that there was never any racism. If I'm going to put a finer point on it, what you're guilty of is downplaying the racism that did exist and making false claims about the timeline on which it operated and the degree to which white society was educated about it.

Oh hers and example it there is an example. Give me a break. We are talking about TODAY not 60 years ago. Jim Crow was in the south. That's why 50% of the African Americans moved out of there.

Again, Jim Crow was not only in the South. Boston, for example, had some pretty famous fights against school integration. They had riots over it in the mid 1970's.

Yes there WERE some things that needed to get ironed out in places. The south didn't magically become non-racist after the Civil Rights Act.

And yet, you frame your comments as if everything ended in 1964.

But to continue to harp on white people are all racists at heart is nothing but divisive.

Tenn. School English Lesson Teaches That Whites Are Racists Who Oppress Minorities - The New American

I was curious what sort of book would have a story that rough, so I googled some keywords from the screenshots and guess what I found...


IT'S A TRUE STORY about Sylvia Mendez and her family's fight to desegregate schools in California several years before Brown v Board.
Sylvia Mendez - Wikipedia

https://www.amazon.com/Separate-Never-Equal-Family’s-Desegregation/dp/1419710540/ref=asc_df_1419710540/

You just blindly repeated propaganda from a right wing rag that wants to foment racial resentment in its undiscerning readers.

So let's recap:
You tell us that everybody learned about Jim Crow and the oppression that Blacks suffered, but you get facts wrong regarding:
The size of the affected black population,
The dates on which certain events happened,
The geographic scope of racist laws and policies,
A children's history book.

Against, it's quite clear that you didn't learn as much as you think you did.
 
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And the racist housing practices I described were legal.



The Civil Rights ActS (plural). As I pointed out, the one that contained the Fair Housing Act provisions passed in 1968.



Whoa, look at those goalposts move. I never claimed that you said that there was never any racism. If I'm going to put a finer point on it, what you're guilty of is downplaying the racism that did exist and making false claims about the timeline on which it operated and the degree to which white society was educated about it.



Again, Jim Crow was not only in the South. Boston, for example, had some pretty famous fights against school integration. They had riots over it in the mid 1970's.



And yet, you frame your comments as if everything ended in 1964.



I was curious what sort of book would have a story that rough, so I googled some keywords from the screenshots and guess what I found...


IT'S A TRUE STORY about Sylvia Mendez and her family's fight to desegregate schools in California several years before Brown v Board.
Sylvia Mendez - Wikipedia

https://www.amazon.com/Separate-Never-Equal-Family’s-Desegregation/dp/1419710540/ref=asc_df_1419710540/

You just blindly repeated propaganda from a right wing rag that wants to foment racial resentment in its undiscerning readers.

So let's recap:
You tell us that everybody learned about Jim Crow and the oppression that Blacks suffered, but you get facts wrong regarding:
The size of the affected black population,
The dates on which certain events happened,
The geographic scope of racist laws and policies,
A children's history book.

Against, it's quite clear that you didn't learn as much as you think you did.

And that was fixed.

Aren't we getting a bit nitpicky on the Acts?

Where did I downplay the racism that existed?

Where did I make false claims on the timeline?

The majority of Jim Crow was in the south. That's why blacks fled. Never claimed there was nothing anywhere else.

Jim Crow ended in 1964. That was the Civil Right Act. Doesn't mean all racism ended there.

We've been educated about it. We all learned about it in school. As I every history lesson kids are never taught everything about everything. But you are taught enough to know how bad it was. We learned about segregation, whate and black hospitals, white only drinking fountains, having to ride in the back of the bus and blacks not allowed businesses.

Never claimed to be an expert as to all facets and every single detail. Do you know every facet about every thing you talk about? Are you some sort of expert? It appears you had to look up a bunch of stuff yourself. Learning about something doesn't make you an expert on every detail. That takes years of daily study to be an expert. I know plenty about it and you haven't refuted any of it except to try and toss out the exceptions to the rule to try and say the rule doesn't exist.

We've all learned about slavery and Jim Crow.
Civil Rights Act happened in 1964.

The FAIR HOUSING ACT happened in 1968. It wasn't called the Civil Rights Act.

I corrected the math. It's still not many that lived through it that are still alive. I don't mean were alive during. I mean actually lived through it. Being born in 1964 is not living through it.

The geographic scope primarily was I the south. But you know that. Go ahead and pick out a few thing other places but it wasn't wide spread as the south was. And you know that. Why are you trying to make out that wasn't the case?

Again, all of that is not an excuse for CRT.

"I also related that one “teacher’s students at Rockingham Middle School in North Carolina last year [2017] were expected to issue [an apology] — standing in front of the class — for being white and Christian and having the ‘privilege’ that supposedly bestows.”

Yes let's tell white kids how bad they are for being white. That's the answer to everything.

The book? Did you miss the point? It's not just about the book! It's about the rest of it. White people are bad, America is bad and everything is racist. White people want to keep their power so they are still oppressing black people. Why? Cause they are a bunch of racists. How evil.
 
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Here's a black professor who is against CRT. There have been more African Americans who have spoken up against it. Giving the same reasons I have. Yet there are those here who want to make it about minutia and exceptions to the rule.

You have to be an expert on every level or else you don't know anything. I guess if we didn't learn about every battle of the civil war we didn't learn much. We didn't learn about everything that happened during the great depression so I guess we can't say we know anything about it. What nonsense.

And now we have very intelligent African Americans who recognize CRT for what it is.

Black law scholar explains how critical race theory is a ‘dangerous and destructive ideology’ | The College Fix

VIRAL VIDEO: Black Woman’s Fiery Denunciation Of Critical Race Theory Before School Board | The Daily Wire

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...al_denounces_crt_at_school_board_meeting.html

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Aren't we getting a bit nitpicky on the Acts?

No, not when you repeatedly claim that we all learned about the era, yet you continue to get facts wrong, like the notion that everything was wrapped up in 1964.

Where did I downplay the racism that existed?

Every time you said it affected fewer people than it did and ended sooner than it did.

Where did I make false claims on the timeline?

Every time you said Jim Crow ended in 1964.

The majority of Jim Crow was in the south. That's why blacks fled. Never claimed there was nothing anywhere else.
Baloney. That’s exactly the point you made in posts 49 and 58.

Jim Crow ended in 1964. That was the Civil Right Act. Doesn't mean all racism ended there.

Again, more than one civil rights act. Seriously, you can google this stuff.
Civil Rights Act - Wikipedia

I know plenty about it and you haven't refuted any of it except to try and toss out the exceptions to the rule to try and say the rule doesn't exist.
I haven’t refuted anything? Tell me again how many blacks live in the US. Or:

The FAIR HOUSING ACT happened in 1968. It wasn't called the Civil Rights Act.

bzzzt. wrong.
Civil Rights Act of 1968 - Wikipedia


I corrected the math. It's still not many that lived through it that are still alive. I don't mean were alive during. I mean actually lived through it. Being born in 1964 is not living through it.

You corrected part of your numbers. But when you continue getting the dates wrong, you continue to skew them.

The geographic scope primarily was I the south. But you know that. Go ahead and pick out a few thing other places but it wasn't wide spread as the south was. And you know that. Why are you trying to make out that wasn't the case?

You wanted an example of your downplaying racism? There you go.

Were things worse in the south? Sure. But elsewhere, it was not merely “a few things other places.”

"I also related that one “teacher’s students at Rockingham Middle School in North Carolina last year [2017] were expected to issue [an apology] — standing in front of the class — for being white and Christian and having the ‘privilege’ that supposedly bestows.”

Yes let's tell white kids how bad they are for being white. That's the answer to everything.

The book? Did you miss the point? It's not just about the book! It's about the rest of it. White people are bad, America is bad and everything is racist. White people want to keep their power so they are still oppressing black people. Why? Cause they are a bunch of racists. How evil.

“It’s about the rest of it”

You mean it’s about what your garbage propaganda site claims is the rest of it. Why on earth should I trust their take on “the rest of it” when they make such a glaring error on such an easy subject? Why should I trust an author who writes such a dishonest take and also lists among his past work stints at garbage rags like WND and The American Thinker.

No, I’m not going to take this author at his word, but neither am I going to invest the time vetting his claims because he’s not worth it. What would have been nice is if you had done some vetting before re-posting those. But maybe that’s too much to ask.
 
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The link you mentioned was in the article AND I was referring to CRT in general. Not just the article. I hope that helps.


It’s helped me understand that you just parrot scare stories with the minimum of understanding.
 
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No, not when you repeatedly claim that we all learned about the era, yet you continue to get facts wrong, like the notion that everything was wrapped up in 1964.



Every time you said it affected fewer people than it did and ended sooner than it did.



Every time you said Jim Crow ended in 1964.


Baloney. That’s exactly the point you made in posts 49 and 58.



Again, more than one civil rights act. Seriously, you can google this stuff.
Civil Rights Act - Wikipedia


I haven’t refuted anything? Tell me again how many blacks live in the US. Or:



bzzzt. wrong.
Civil Rights Act of 1968 - Wikipedia




You corrected part of your numbers. But when you continue getting the dates wrong, you continue to skew them.



You wanted an example of your downplaying racism? There you go.

Were things worse in the south? Sure. But elsewhere, it was not merely “a few things other places.”



“It’s about the rest of it”

You mean it’s about what your garbage propaganda site claims is the rest of it. Why on earth should I trust their take on “the rest of it” when they make such a glaring error on such an easy subject? Why should I trust an author who writes such a dishonest take and also lists among his past work stints at garbage rags like WND and The American Thinker.

No, I’m not going to take this author at his word, but neither am I going to invest the time vetting his claims because he’s not worth it. What would have been nice is if you had done some vetting before re-posting those. But maybe that’s too much to ask.

Where did I say everything was wrapped up in 1964? When it comes to that I never got the facts wrong.

I never discussed how many people it affected except to say about half the blacks in America mo

Jim Crow DID end in 1964.

You are reading in your own biases when referring to posts 49 and 58. I never said there no issues anywhere else. Why did the blacks want to come north? To escape the south. You are VERY good at trying twisting other people's words. Inserting your own bias.

The Fair Housing Act was not called the Civil Rights Act.
Fair Housing Act

Seriously, you can Google this stuff.

What dates did I get wrong?

See, you pass off truth just cause you don't like the author or publication. It's more than "the book". And you don't like the fact that it is. When children are taught that being white is bad and white people are bad and racism is everywhere and it's their fault case they are white that is evil. When you refuse to see the truth then I believe it's called denial of reality.

Jim Crow did end in 1964. I would even give 1965 as the end with the Voting Rights Act. Seriously, you can Google this stuff.

The Unforgettable Jim Crow Era

Look there is no denying that black people suffered a great deal in this country from the time of slavery on. Even after Jim Crow ended there was still discrimination in the south particularly, but other places in the north also had some issues. It wasn't anything like the south. I certainly hope you aren't trying to make the north as equal to the south. Are you?

BUT, and it's a huge BUT that is over. Blacks are not oppressed anymore. And haven't been for a very long time. Please tell me what a Black person is not allowed to do that a white person is.

Is a black person allowed to live anywhere they want?

Is a black person allowed to go to any school they want?

Is a black person allowed to pursue any job they want?

Is a black person allowed to go to any hospital or business they want?
 
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It’s helped me understand that you just parrot scare stories with the minimum of understanding.

Denial of reality is a problem that many on the left have. It's the left that has little understanding of the issues at hand. You might want to read what the black professor has to say. Perhaps it will open your eyes. Thomas Sowell has a few things to say on the subject.


Don't deny reality. It's what too many Germans did.
 
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You are reading in your own biases when referring to posts 49 and 58. I never said there no issues anywhere else.

And yet in both posts, you used the percentage of blacks living in the south as a factor when calculating the number who would have been exposed to Jim Crow.

Why did the blacks want to come north? To escape the south. You are VERY good at trying twisting other people's words. Inserting your own bias.

I'm not inserting my own bias. I'm pointing out your errors.

Yes, blacks moved north to get out of the south. But you know what they found when they got there? More racism.

The Fair Housing Act was not called the Civil Rights Act.
Fair Housing Act

Seriously, you can Google this stuff.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself:

Civil Rights Act of 1968 - Wikipedia
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-82/pdf/STATUTE-82-Pg73.pdf

The Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Pub.L. 90–284, 82 Stat. 73, enacted April 11, 1968) is a landmark law in the United States signed into law by United States President Lyndon B. Johnson during the King assassination riots.

Titles II through VII comprise the Indian Civil Rights Act, <snip>

Titles VIII through IX are commonly known as the Fair Housing Act,

See, you pass off truth just cause you don't like the author or publication.

No, I dismissed the source because I caught it red-handed in a lie of omission.

It's more than "the book". And you don't like the fact that it is. When children are taught that being white is bad and white people are bad and racism is everywhere and it's their fault case they are white that is evil. When you refuse to see the truth then I believe it's called denial of reality.

You have no idea what that school was teaching. You chose to take the word of some rando on Twitter and a right-wing racial grievance rag who both, conveniently, forgot to mention that the material in question was a true story.

Is a black person allowed to live anywhere they want?

When loans and appraisals are still impacted by race, no.
 
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There are NO Jim Crow laws anymore.
yes there are, see above.


The Gigantic majority of white Americans are not racist. America is not a racist country and African Americans have the same opportunities as everyone else. There are no laws or rules that prevent them fr success.

CRT seeks to divide people on racial lines. Something you have just been pointing out as bad. If this were aimed at blacks you would be calling it evil.
No CRT does not. propaganda against CRT says that but it just isn't true.

Yes there WERE some things that needed to get ironed out in places. The south didn't magically become non-racist after the Civil Rights Act.

But to continue to harp on white people are all racists at heart is nothing but divisive.
its a good thing no one is doing that

if memory serves journalists in Tennessee uncovered that the pictures the parent claimed were part of his daughters class were in fact from other sources. Hunting up that news article now[/quote]
 
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And yet in both posts, you used the percentage of blacks living in the south as a factor when calculating the number who would have been exposed to Jim Crow.



I'm not inserting my own bias. I'm pointing out your errors.

Yes, blacks moved north to get out of the south. But you know what they found when they got there? More racism.



Now you're just embarrassing yourself:

Civil Rights Act of 1968 - Wikipedia
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-82/pdf/STATUTE-82-Pg73.pdf

The Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Pub.L. 90–284, 82 Stat. 73, enacted April 11, 1968) is a landmark law in the United States signed into law by United States President Lyndon B. Johnson during the King assassination riots.

Titles II through VII comprise the Indian Civil Rights Act, <snip>

Titles VIII through IX are commonly known as the Fair Housing Act,



No, I dismissed the source because I caught it red-handed in a lie of omission.



You have no idea what that school was teaching. You chose to take the word of some rando on Twitter and a right-wing racial grievance rag who both, conveniently, forgot to mention that the material in question was a true story.



When loans and appraisals are still impacted by race, no.

When blacks moved north they did not have what they did in the south. You are not trying to say that the north was just as bad are you? The north was far better than the south. Yes there was some racism, there is racism everywhere in the world. You will never get rid of it.

The 1968 bill had a long title. It wasn't "Civil Rights Act". But let's not get particular. Because when we do we are missing the points. When we fight over words we are getting into such minutiae that it renders the points irrelevant. So to end this drive of yours to prove me wrong on 1968 I will just say okay. It's the Civil Rights Act of 1968. There can we move on then?

It still doesn't impact what I said. The larger point stands. There are not many blacks around that went THROUGH the horrors of Jim Crow. Most of them that did are not around anymore. When you consider that about half of them left the south.

Doesn't mean they didn't suffer any racism or have any issues anywhere. Racism still exists. But it's a tiny fraction of what it once was. And now CRT wants to resurrect the dead and turn races against each other once more. When the facts are not in their side, they must manufacture a race war. Reverse racism is the answer to their Marxist ideology. Turn blacks against whites, make whites the enemy and convince white children they are bad because if the color of their skin.

The point is, it's over. Civil rights were restored. And blacks today have the same rights as anyone else. They have the same abilities as everyone else. Sometimes they have to fight for their rights at some times. But so do we all. When you see racism, point it out and fight against it. But don't accuse an entire race. Thats like saying all black people are lazy. No they are not and all white people are not racist. It's still a very tiny minority that are.

You are absolutely correct on the housing issue.

Indianapolis homeowner says appraisal doubled when she hid her race

I found other stories in that as well.


Getting A Loan Is Just As Easy For African-American Females As White Males, Study Shows | HuffPost

If skin color were the only factor then this wouldn't happen.

Council Post: Why Minorities Have So Much Trouble Accessing Small Business Loans

There are more than one factor when looking at loans.

50% of Blacks are middle class or higher. Around 27% are poor. That's bad, but when you look at the data, the poverty is not just based upon skin color.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/5-reasons-black-people-still-broke

Blacks from other countries come here are do very well. That wouldn't happen if America is as racist as you would have us believe. 50% of blacks being middle income or better wouldn't happen if America was as racist as you would have us believe.

So, we can say that there are still some issues to overcome. Racism still exists. Unfortunately it will always exist. But we can also say it's not as bad as the left would like to make it out to be. And there is no reason to demonize all white people cause they are white. CRT does just that. Reverse racism is never the answer.

The factors of all things considered do not point to the factors presented by CRT. It's still an evil ideology and needs to go away.





As one black parent said, you don't fix one bad action with another bad reaction.
 
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What are the interviews with black people critical of CRT supposed to show or prove?

that we should trust the opinions of black folks when they agree with conservatives
 
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yes there are, see above.


No CRT does not. propaganda against CRT says that but it just isn't true.

its a good thing no one is doing that

if memory serves journalists in Tennessee uncovered that the pictures the parent claimed were part of his daughters class were in fact from other sources. Hunting up that news article now
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What about all the other examples. Maybe someone got upset over what went along with the book? Are all the other examples not valid?
 
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yes there are, see above.


No CRT does not. propaganda against CRT says that but it just isn't true.

its a good thing no one is doing that

if memory serves journalists in Tennessee uncovered that the pictures the parent claimed were part of his daughters class were in fact from other sources. Hunting up that news article now
[/QUOTE]

Yes CRT does do that. Are you not paying attention?

Yes, All White People Are Racist

Black law scholar explains how critical race theory is a ‘dangerous and destructive ideology’ | The College Fix
 
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Don't deny reality. It's what too many Germans did.

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edit: It’s a shame my Black Gestapo poster didn’t appear.

Don’t get me wrong rjs, I don’t doubt some aspects of crt and how it’s presented are over the top, maybe even racist, but let’s not throw the baby out with the dish water.

Your approach just doesn’t seem helpful as it comes across as superficial and hyperbolic. It’s not as black and white (pardon the pun) as you paint it.
 
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When blacks moved north they did not have what they did in the south. You are not trying to say that the north was just as bad are you? The north was far better than the south. Yes there was some racism, there is racism everywhere in the world. You will never get rid of it.

The 1968 bill had a long title. It wasn't "Civil Rights Act". But let's not get particular. Because when we do we are missing the points. When we fight over words we are getting into such minutiae that it renders the points irrelevant. So to end this drive of yours to prove me wrong on 1968 I will just say okay. It's the Civil Rights Act of 1968. There can we move on then?

It still doesn't impact what I said. The larger point stands. There are not many blacks around that went THROUGH the horrors of Jim Crow. Most of them that did are not around anymore. When you consider that about half of them left the south.

Doesn't mean they didn't suffer any racism or have any issues anywhere. Racism still exists. But it's a tiny fraction of what it once was. And now CRT wants to resurrect the dead and turn races against each other once more. When the facts are not in their side, they must manufacture a race war. Reverse racism is the answer to their Marxist ideology. Turn blacks against whites, make whites the enemy and convince white children they are bad because if the color of their skin.

The point is, it's over. Civil rights were restored. And blacks today have the same rights as anyone else. They have the same abilities as everyone else. Sometimes they have to fight for their rights at some times. But so do we all. When you see racism, point it out and fight against it. But don't accuse an entire race. Thats like saying all black people are lazy. No they are not and all white people are not racist. It's still a very tiny minority that are.

You are absolutely correct on the housing issue.

Indianapolis homeowner says appraisal doubled when she hid her race

I found other stories in that as well.


Getting A Loan Is Just As Easy For African-American Females As White Males, Study Shows | HuffPost

If skin color were the only factor then this wouldn't happen.

Council Post: Why Minorities Have So Much Trouble Accessing Small Business Loans

There are more than one factor when looking at loans.

50% of Blacks are middle class or higher. Around 27% are poor. That's bad, but when you look at the data, the poverty is not just based upon skin color.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/5-reasons-black-people-still-broke

Blacks from other countries come here are do very well. That wouldn't happen if America is as racist as you would have us believe. 50% of blacks being middle income or better wouldn't happen if America was as racist as you would have us believe.

So, we can say that there are still some issues to overcome. Racism still exists. Unfortunately it will always exist. But we can also say it's not as bad as the left would like to make it out to be. And there is no reason to demonize all white people cause they are white. CRT does just that. Reverse racism is never the answer.

The factors of all things considered do not point to the factors presented by CRT. It's still an evil ideology and needs to go away.





As one black parent said, you don't fix one bad action with another bad reaction.
“They” have it good compared to what it could have been like back in the days of our [also not-at-all-racist] parents/grandparents’ day!
Maybe they should try to be grateful that we don’t go back to those bad-old-days!?

That is what I gleaned from your post: are you sure that you want to allow that impression to exist?
 
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