Inside Black Lives Matters - a BLM Expose

Quartermaine · Jul 16, 2021

iarwain said:
BLM's recent statement about Cuba again shows their true colors and support for Marxist revolution. That is their true aim:
"The people of Cuba are being punished by the U.S. government because the country has maintained its commitment to sovereignty and self-determination. United States leaders have tried to crush this Revolution for decades."

I support ending the Cuban embargo as well, mostly because it only hurts the citizens of Cuba and helps prop up the Cuban dictatorship. I also don't think the embargo is about human rights, we are happy to trade with countries with far worse human rights records. If Cuba has oil the US would have no problem trading.

further thoughts on this....BLM Cuba Statement Is A Blunder. But It Doesn't Mean BLM Movement Is Marxist

Subdood · Jul 16, 2021

The video is pretty telling. Just saying...

iarwain · Jul 16, 2021

Quartermaine said:
I support ending the Cuban embargo as well, mostly because it only hurts the citizens of Cuba and helps prop up the Cuban dictatorship.

Honestly, ending the embargo wouldn't bother me any. Many think it would legitimize the Cuban dictatorship, so I understand that argument. But I'd be fine with ending it.

Crwth · Jul 17, 2021

Oscarr said:
In New Zealand we have what is called the "Waitangi Tribunal" formed by the government to address the claims of different Maori tribes to redress the wrongs and the land stolen from them during the British colonial period. As a result, millions of dollars has been paid out to reimburse these tribes.

If the US government chose to set up a African American Tribunal to address the legitimate claims of reimbursement for the lynching, massacres, property confiscation, and discrimination against African Americans, including racial profiling type shooting of African Americans by police, the US would go a long way to bringing genuine reconciliation through action rather than empty talk.

I honestly don't know the solution for that in today's world.

I think it's worth noting that there's a huge difference between our native peoples and african Americans. The most obvious is that one is native and the other, in contrast, is not. I only mention this because of your example citing the Maori in NZ to note that we've two distinct issues to address here in the US. There are differences in the injustices done to them. Different injustices would, I suspect require different solutions. Your Maori solution might, for example, work for our native Americans. It probably wouldn't for our african Americans. Regardless, I do agree some action is in order.

But all that aside, my overall problem is this - what constitutes "just redress" of wrongs done to a group of people today when by and large, those wrongs were done to their ancestors, often of 3, 4, 5 or more generations past, by people that, by and large, cannot even be justly identified as descendants of those who inflicted those wrongs back when? For example, my ancestors came to America in the early 1900's, from Germany. Nevertheless, I am white, and I am told I am the problem. Why? How am I guilty of the wrongs done to blacks back when? The only answer seems to be that I'm somehow part of "the system."

And then we're back to BLM. Anyone who's watched the video cannot deny the Marxist focus of that group. All their propaganda aside (which people are free to read and swallow at their leisure), their focus, their ideology, their worldview is - in-their-own-words - Marxist. And Marxist solutions, tried as they have been over and over and over and over and over again in this world, have NEVER worked. Indeed, all they've done is brought further misery and pain and death to those brought under that evil. We see what BLM has "accomplished." Riots, looting, burning, destruction... we hear their words, that it "all needs to be razed to the ground" so ostensibly they can raise it anew. But what is their "new?" I read their propaganda - 46 instances of the word "black" and just two of the word "white" - one of which was "non-white." All they're doing is turning the tables - and that strictly by vengeance. The hypocrisy is astounding.

iarwain · Jul 17, 2021

Crwth said:
And then we're back to BLM. Anyone who's watched the video cannot deny the Marxist focus of that group. All their propaganda aside (which people are free to read and swallow at their leisure), their focus, their ideology, their worldview is - in-their-own-words - Marxist. And Marxist solutions, tried as they have been over and over and over and over and over again in this world, have NEVER worked.

It's unbelievable to me how much support BLM gets from politicians, sports leagues, and corporations, when they are a Marxist organization and their main stated goal is to defund the police. Defunding the police has been demonstrated to be a terrible, even deadly idea, yet politicians and others still want to fly the BLM flag.

Besides which, they are anti-nuclear family, which is one of the biggest causes of problems in the black community - including the police shootings they are so focused on. Because if there were more fathers around, maybe they would teach their kids to not resist arrest and to stay away from crime. Plus having a nuclear family is one of the biggest predictors of financial success.

PloverWing · Jul 17, 2021

iarwain said:
It's unbelievable to me how much support BLM gets from politicians, sports leagues, and corporations, when they are a Marxist organization and their main stated goal is to defund the police.

The goal is to reduce or eliminate excessive police violence toward Black citizens. "Defunding the police" (i.e., redirecting some police funding toward other kinds of first responders to emergency calls) is one idea towards a solution, but it's not in itself the goal; reducing police violence is the goal.

Crwth · Jul 17, 2021

PloverWing said:
The goal is to reduce or eliminate excessive police violence toward Black citizens. "Defunding the police" (i.e., redirecting some police funding toward other kinds of first responders to emergency calls) is one idea towards a solution, but it's not in itself the goal; reducing police violence is the goal.

No, BLM members have explicitly stated they want the police gone altogether, to be replaced with their (BLM) own version of citizen protection.

Crwth · Jul 17, 2021

iarwain said:
It's unbelievable to me how much support BLM gets from politicians, sports leagues, and corporations, when they are a Marxist organization and their main stated goal is to defund the police. Defunding the police has been demonstrated to be a terrible, even deadly idea, yet politicians and others still want to fly the BLM flag.

Besides which, they are anti-nuclear family, which is one of the biggest causes of problems in the black community - including the police shootings they are so focused on. Because if there were more fathers around, maybe they would teach their kids to not resist arrest and to stay away from crime. Plus having a nuclear family is one of the biggest predictors of financial success.

Yep, and it's hard to tell if it's just plain ignorance on their part or utterly intentional. If you listen to BLM leaders and some of their followers, it's utterly intentional.

And as you correctly note, much of the black community's problem is the family - for whatever reason(s) it's been decimated, which is a major reason why the symptoms we're seeing (and they're experiencing) are so destructive and damaging. BLM's solution is to raise their kids Hillary Clinton style - as a village - which solution was also that of the communists in bolshevik Russia, whose goal then was to eradicate the traditional family too - in favor of more "communal" relationships.

No, there's no denying the glaring fact that BLM is a neo-Marxist organization which goals are totally Marxist. And that's the ABSOLUTELY LAST thing the black community needs right now.

Quartermaine · Jul 17, 2021

iarwain said:
It's unbelievable to me how much support BLM gets from politicians, sports leagues, and corporations, when they are a Marxist organization and their main stated goal is to defund the police. Defunding the police has been demonstrated to be a terrible, even deadly idea, yet politicians and others still want to fly the BLM flag.

Early in this thread i posted the link to the actual BLM policy platform with the hopes that people would read it. Obviously you have not.

There is no defund the police in the platform. There is this:

THE ISSUE
Since 1990, the U.S. Department of Defense has transferred over $6 billion in military equipment to local law enforcement agencies, including school and campus police, through the Excess Property 1033 Grant program. Military weapons, including tanks and grenade launchers, have disproportionately been deployed by SWAT Teams against Black communities in the “War on Drugs” and suppression of dissent. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) has also received at least $39 million in military equipment through the program, deploying military weapons against migrants.

THE DEMAND:
We demand an immediate ban on the use of military equipment by law enforcement and Border Patrol in all circumstances.
We demand an immediate end to the transfer of military equipment to federal, state, and local police, and campus law enforcement agencies, and an immediate end to the use of military equipment by any law enforcement agency, including Customs and Border Patrol.
We demand immediate disclosure of all military equipment transferred and acquired and its intended use by federal, state, and local governments.

Besides which, they are anti-nuclear family, which is one of the biggest causes of problems in the black community - including the police shootings they are so focused on.

a common lie told about BLM. and it is a disgusting lie at that.

what BLM has said is that they will confront the myth that ONLY the nuclear family has any merit. ALL families have merit and value not just one type of family, all families and we need public policies that offer up support to all the different kinds of families out there not just one type.

Because if there were more fathers around, maybe they would teach their kids to not resist arrest and to stay away from crime. Plus having a nuclear family is one of the biggest predictors of financial success.

you really need to go talk to some non-white people (yes have an actual conversation and actually listen to what is said) and ask them about things like traffic stops and you need to do this because you have such a warped view of reality on this topic

High Fidelity · Jul 17, 2021

Quartermaine said:
now if only BLM espoused burning things down...but...as noted...they don't

Nelson Mandela was considered a hero despite what he orchestrated, supported and refused to renounce upon his release.

People still worship in Catholic churches despite their vile history.

There are countless instances of support for people, organisations or movements despite aspects of their past. It’s nothing new.

iarwain · Jul 17, 2021

Quartermaine said:
Early in this thread i posted the link to the actual BLM policy platform with the hopes that people would read it. Obviously you have not.

I read the BLM website last year, and I had seen enough. They said what they were about, and I believed them. I admit I haven't read it recently. It said its major goal was to defund the police. I'm not at all surprised to hear they have removed it, because I'm sure that stance was hurting them politically.

Just liked they removed the part about disrupting the "western-prescribed nuclear family". You can say that just means they want to spread love and tolerance, but all these things have their effect. The idea of the traditional nuclear family, and fathers in the home, has been devalued, and is being devalued in our current culture. And many black families are paying dearly for it.

BobRyan · Jul 17, 2021

Crwth said:
From Heritage.Org:

The Agenda of Black Lives Matter Is Far Different From the Slogan

Summarized in the article:

The group’s radical Marxist agenda would supplant the basic building block of society—the family—with the state and destroy the economic system that has lifted more people from poverty than any other. Black lives, and all lives, would be harmed.

Theirs is a blueprint for misery, not justice. It must be rejected.

...and a related video:

There are no words...

But there definitely needs to be, lest this ignorant, evil mob does what they claim needs to be done.

That was a very informative video - especially the interview of and recorded statements of the key BLM founders, and followers - as well as the testimony of that black pastor in the "most dangerous" street in America.

Quartermaine · Jul 17, 2021

iarwain said:
I read the BLM website last year, and I had seen enough. They said what they were about, and I believed them. I admit I haven't read it recently. It said its major goal was to defund the police. I'm not at all surprised to hear they have removed it, because I'm sure that stance was hurting them politically.

You are probably thinking about their page "Black Lives Matter...What we believe. To bad that said nothing about defunding the police there either.

Just liked they removed the part about disrupting the "western-prescribed nuclear family". You can say that just means they want to spread love and tolerance, but all these things have their effect. The idea of the traditional nuclear family, and fathers in the home, has been devalued, and is being devalued in our current culture. And many black families are paying dearly for it.

What they actually said: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children"

iarwain · Jul 17, 2021

Quartermaine said:
You are probably thinking about their page "Black Lives Matter...What we believe. To bad that said nothing about defunding the police there either.

I don't know what page it was, but it was on their website. And it absolutely said they wanted to defund the police. Even now, you can hear people from their organization talk about defunding, or even abolishing the police. Besides, didn't you watch any of the BLM/Antifa riots last year? There was plenty of signage saying defund the police, abolish the police, ACAB, and other such things. Are you trying to say BLM has never advocated for that?

Quartermaine · Jul 17, 2021

iarwain said:
I don't know what page it was, but it was on their website. And it absolutely said they wanted to defund the police.

you can still find copies of their what we believe statement on the web. Here for example. As you can see there is nothing on defunding the police

Even now, you can hear people from their organization talk about defunding, or even abolishing the police. Besides, didn't you watch any of the BLM/Antifa riots last year? There was plenty of signage saying defund the police, abolish the police, ACAB, and other such things. Are you trying to say BLM has never advocated for that?

Their policy statements do not and have never said anything about defunding the police just like they never said they want to get rid of the nuclear family

Aldebaran · Jul 17, 2021

The Barbarian said:
BLM seems to have gained a great deal of credibility with white nationalists. They are going all out to find a way to destroy it.

Apparently, they still can't find even one BLM member who actually did the things the police have arrested white supremacists for doing.

Which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Watch the video starting at 4:36. Those people calling for violence aren't white supremacists, unless you want to label those black people who did the talking as being white supremacists.
It's the BLM people who are destroying themselves, along with any credibility they thought they had.

iarwain · Jul 18, 2021

Quartermaine said:
Their policy statements do not and have never said anything about defunding the police just like they never said they want to get rid of the nuclear family

You are seriously trying to tell me last year was a mirage, and that BLM didn't spend the whole year demanding that we defund the police? They still call for defunding the police on their site, although it is more well hidden now than it was last year, where it was front and center. This is, by the way, not the only reference to defunding the police on their site:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/

And I know AOC is not BLM, but she has even called for abolishing the police, several times. The radical left is dangerous.

Aldebaran · Jul 18, 2021

Quartermaine said:
you can still find copies of their what we believe statement on the web. Here for example. As you can see there is nothing on defunding the police

Their policy statements do not and have never said anything about defunding the police just like they never said they want to get rid of the nuclear family

I remember those statements being on there as well, and how they received backlash for it and then suddenly took the statements down. Now of course, their supporters even deny those statements were ever there. Sorry, but history still lives even when it's denied.

"We call for a national defunding of police."
#DefundThePolice
May 30, 2020
Enough is enough.

Our pain, our cries, and our need to be seen and heard resonate throughout this entire country.

We demand acknowledgment and accountability for the devaluation and dehumanization of Black life at the hands of the police.

We call for radical, sustainable solutions that affirm the prosperity of Black lives.

George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.

Right now, Minneapolis and cities across our country are on fire, and our people are hurting — the violence against Black bodies felt in the ongoing mass disobedience, all while we grapple with a pandemic that is disproportionately affecting, infecting, and killing us.

We call for an end to the systemic racism that allows this culture of corruption to go unchecked and our lives to be taken.

We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive, but thrive. If you’re with us, add your name to the petition right now and help us spread the word.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/

(I see @iarwain beat me to it!)

Aldebaran · Jul 18, 2021

Aldebaran said:
I remember those statements being on there as well, and how they received backlash for it and then suddenly took the statements down. Now of course, their supporters even deny those statements were ever there. Sorry, but history still lives even when it's denied.

"We call for a national defunding of police."
#DefundThePolice
May 30, 2020
Enough is enough.

Our pain, our cries, and our need to be seen and heard resonate throughout this entire country.

We demand acknowledgment and accountability for the devaluation and dehumanization of Black life at the hands of the police.

We call for radical, sustainable solutions that affirm the prosperity of Black lives.

George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.

Right now, Minneapolis and cities across our country are on fire, and our people are hurting — the violence against Black bodies felt in the ongoing mass disobedience, all while we grapple with a pandemic that is disproportionately affecting, infecting, and killing us.

We call for an end to the systemic racism that allows this culture of corruption to go unchecked and our lives to be taken.

We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive, but thrive. If you’re with us, add your name to the petition right now and help us spread the word.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/

Quartermaine · Jul 18, 2021

iarwain said:
You are seriously trying to tell me last year was a mirage, and that BLM didn't spend the whole year demanding that we defund the police? They still call for defunding the police on their site, although it is more well hidden now than it was last year, where it was front and center. This is, by the way, not the only reference to defunding the police on their site:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/

And I know AOC is not BLM, but she has even called for abolishing the police, several times. The radical left is dangerous.

and here is an explanation of just what that means What Defunding the Police Really Means

It isn't about abolishing the police it's not about zero money for police they are talking about a 5% reduction in the 100 billion dollars in tax money the nation spends on police. Redirecting that 5% would double the budget for public health including mental health alone. instead of spending money to put armed polices in schools how about using that money to physically make schools safe and functional, how about paying for teachers and books and counselors and actual education? instead of incarcerating people with mental illness pay for mental health services. Instead of equipping police with tanks and grenade launchers pay for functioning employment programs.

five percent.

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