Hebrews 6:4: Scared about my Salvation

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Hello everyone,

I've been really struggling with the meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6 lately. I became a Christian in my late teens, leaving behind a very rough life. I was completely renewed as a person, and had a beautiful mystical experience that really solidified my faith. I was even on the path to becoming a Priest.

However, in my early 20s serious personal turmoil drove me away from my faith. I went beyond disbelief, and into literal blasphemy... I scorned Christ in every way, dabbled in occultism, and even read books on Satanism/Luciferianism. I also destroyed old rosaries, threw images of Christ in the garbage, etc.

Around this time, I had an experience which I now think of as revealing that I was leading myself to condemnation... I was listening to music and there was a lyric mocking Christ. The instant the lyric was sung, my hand carved crucifix fell and landed on my Buddha statue, this caused the Crucifix's head to come off. I kept the head, and considered using it to upset others.

A couple of years have passed, and I am now seeing the errors of my ways... I have realized that a godless life is one not worth living, and I want to return to my faith. However, I came across Hebrews 6:4-6 and felt terrified... I have experienced the love, mercy and forgiveness of God, I even brought others to Christ! Despite this, I turned my back on Him and openly mocked him. What do I do? Is salvation possible?
 

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Just return to the Lord ( see Revelation 3:20). Do your best to live the Christian life by the Lord’s commandments ( see Matthew 19:16-19, Romans 13:8-10, John 14:15-18) As you are able, remember to be charitable & pray ( for yourself & neighbor per the commandments) see: Matthew 6:1-15. Hebrews 6:4-6 pertains to those who have deliberately rejected the Lord & refuse to return & repent.
 
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Yes, as long as you're still alive you can be saved.

Matthew 18:21-22, "Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, 'Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?' Jesus answered, 'I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!'".

In Judaism, seven was the number of completeness, and 77 basically meant infinity. So we are to forgive others as many times as it takes-and God would not ask more from us than He Himself is willing to do.
 
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You fear too much, because you care so much.
You come across to me as a person who genuinely cares, but has experienced physical, mental and spiritual exhaustion.
Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30 "come to me all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest".
Rest in the One who created you, knows you, and has called you by name.
Rest in the One who has loved you with an everlasting love.
Rest in the One who forgave the gravest sinners, including His worst persecutors. If we repent of our sins, we will always find forgiveness and mercy.
 
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Hello everyone,

I've been really struggling with the meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6 lately. I became a Christian in my late teens, leaving behind a very rough life. I was completely renewed as a person, and had a beautiful mystical experience that really solidified my faith. I was even on the path to becoming a Priest.

However, in my early 20s serious personal turmoil drove me away from my faith. I went beyond disbelief, and into literal blasphemy... I scorned Christ in every way, dabbled in occultism, and even read books on Satanism/Luciferianism. I also destroyed old rosaries, threw images of Christ in the garbage, etc.

Around this time, I had an experience which I now think of as revealing that I was leading myself to condemnation... I was listening to music and there was a lyric mocking Christ. The instant the lyric was sung, my hand carved crucifix fell and landed on my Buddha statue, this caused the Crucifix's head to come off. I kept the head, and considered using it to upset others.

A couple of years have passed, and I am now seeing the errors of my ways... I have realized that a godless life is one not worth living, and I want to return to my faith. However, I came across Hebrews 6:4-6 and felt terrified... I have experienced the love, mercy and forgiveness of God, I even brought others to Christ! Despite this, I turned my back on Him and openly mocked him. What do I do? Is salvation possible?

I think: Mark 3:28-29.
 
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Hello everyone,

I've been really struggling with the meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6 lately. I became a Christian in my late teens, leaving behind a very rough life. I was completely renewed as a person, and had a beautiful mystical experience that really solidified my faith. I was even on the path to becoming a Priest.

However, in my early 20s serious personal turmoil drove me away from my faith. I went beyond disbelief, and into literal blasphemy... I scorned Christ in every way, dabbled in occultism, and even read books on Satanism/Luciferianism. I also destroyed old rosaries, threw images of Christ in the garbage, etc.

Around this time, I had an experience which I now think of as revealing that I was leading myself to condemnation... I was listening to music and there was a lyric mocking Christ. The instant the lyric was sung, my hand carved crucifix fell and landed on my Buddha statue, this caused the Crucifix's head to come off. I kept the head, and considered using it to upset others.

A couple of years have passed, and I am now seeing the errors of my ways... I have realized that a godless life is one not worth living, and I want to return to my faith. However, I came across Hebrews 6:4-6 and felt terrified... I have experienced the love, mercy and forgiveness of God, I even brought others to Christ! Despite this, I turned my back on Him and openly mocked him. What do I do? Is salvation possible?

Dear friend, obviously you did NOT become a Christian when you thought you did, for one who is "born again" (as John 3:16) is changed spiritually and sealed by the Holy Spirit. If you have not received the Lord Jesus into your heart in earnest prayer to Him (note John 14, and 1 Jn.5:10-12) then it was only an idea and not a relationship in prayer. One must have the Lord Jesus in their heart and not just their mind. Make Him lord of your life and 'best friend' and you will find the Holy Spirit leading and blessing you. Look up, and feel free to write me anytime personally if you wish to chat. -1watchman
 
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Hello everyone,

I've been really struggling with the meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6 lately. I became a Christian in my late teens, leaving behind a very rough life. I was completely renewed as a person, and had a beautiful mystical experience that really solidified my faith. I was even on the path to becoming a Priest.

However, in my early 20s serious personal turmoil drove me away from my faith. I went beyond disbelief, and into literal blasphemy... I scorned Christ in every way, dabbled in occultism, and even read books on Satanism/Luciferianism. I also destroyed old rosaries, threw images of Christ in the garbage, etc.

Around this time, I had an experience which I now think of as revealing that I was leading myself to condemnation... I was listening to music and there was a lyric mocking Christ. The instant the lyric was sung, my hand carved crucifix fell and landed on my Buddha statue, this caused the Crucifix's head to come off. I kept the head, and considered using it to upset others.

A couple of years have passed, and I am now seeing the errors of my ways... I have realized that a godless life is one not worth living, and I want to return to my faith. However, I came across Hebrews 6:4-6 and felt terrified... I have experienced the love, mercy and forgiveness of God, I even brought others to Christ! Despite this, I turned my back on Him and openly mocked him. What do I do? Is salvation possible?

That you are asking these questions illustrates that you aren't the person described in Hebrews 6:4-6.

Hebrews 6:1-9 (NASB)
1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3 And this we will do, if God permits.

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9 But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.


Who is the writer of Hebrews speaking to in verses 1-3? The spiritually-immature believers he had criticized right at the end of chapter 5:

Hebrews 5:11-14 (NASB)
11 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.


So, the writer of Hebrews has in view in his comments here believers who are "dull of hearing," partaking in spiritual "milk" when they should have moved on to spiritual "meat." He urges these spiritually-childish believers to "press on to maturity" (6:1), in the process moving on from the basics of the faith - repentance from dead works, trusting in Christ, "laying on of hands" in healing, the Second Coming - to deeper, "meatier" spiritual truth that they should not only know, but be teaching to other believers (5:12).

"Been enlightened":

In verse 4 of chapter 6, the writer of Hebrews begins to speak of others who are not merely childish in the faith, but have "fallen away" from it. He uses terms to describe these people that strongly suggest, not genuine salvation, but only a superficial, nominal participation in the faith. One can be "enlightened" (6:4) to the Christian faith in varying degrees, as the spiritually-immature believers criticized by the writer of Hebrews at the end of chapter 5 demonstrate. That these "enlightened" people "fall away" suggests that their "illumination" to God's truth was even more "milky" than the childish believers described in Hebrews 5:11-14, a mere academic enlightenment that never touched their heart and character of living (which is why they ultimately "fall away"). (See James 2:14-26; 1 John 2:19)

"tasted of the heavenly gift":

The word "tasted" suggests a cursory, light experience of the "heavenly gift" which is supported by the fact that these people who have only "tasted" of the heavenly gift eventually "fall away" from the Church. Those who have "put on Christ" (Romans 13:14), who have been given a totally new spiritual nature in him (2 Corinthians 5:17), who have become "temples of the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20), reflect their "second birth" (John 3:3-6) in a markedly changed perspective on life and in the general character of their living. Being truly saved, having had more than a mere "taste" of "the heavenly gift" (Christ/the Holy Spirit), they don't "fall away," though they can carry on in a spiritually-juvenile way.

How does one "taste of the heavenly gift" without being transformed by it? The many nominal "Christians" in the modern Church - Christ called them "tares" (Matthew 13:24-30) and Paul called them "false brethren" (2 Corinthians 11:26) - demonstrate how: They participate in the life and work of the Church in a second-hand way, associating with the truly born-again, working alongside them in ministries of the Church, sharing in worship of God, sitting under the teaching of the God's word, while not themselves having any real spiritual life of their own, no genuine relationship with God through Christ. In these ways, "tares" constantly "taste" of the work of the Spirit in and through the Church. But because these "tares" aren't themselves truly born-again, only "tasters" of the heavenly gift, they "fall away," if not overtly by departing from the Church, secretly, in their hearts, far from God (Matthew 15:8).

"partakers of the Holy Spirit":

This is, I believe, just another way of describing "tasting of the heavenly gift," expressing the same idea of a superficial, second-hand experience of the Spirit by participation in the life and work, the Christian "culture," of the Church.

It is this nominal association with the Church and with the work of the Spirit in and through it, without ever coming to a genuine personal relationship with God through Christ, without ever being truly born-again, brought alive spiritually by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5; Romans 8:9-14), that results in a person being unable finally to repent and come to a saving, life-transforming faith in Jesus. Every time a person sits under the sound of God's truth but goes away unmoved, refusing any sense of conviction of sin, any notion of the need of personal repentance, perennially doubting the truth of the Gospel, content to have just a "religious dimension" to life, that person is hardened more and more thoroughly into a habit of reacting this way to God's truth such that, in time, they are utterly unable to respond in any other way, barred from true repentance by their own consistent choice to reject it. Indeed, such a person doesn't think they are in need of repentance but is a member of the faith by doing religious things, rather than being a sinner redeemed by Christ.

Alternatively, the nominal Christian, the "tare" in the Church, finally leaves the Church entirely, overtly departing from it. But they do so "inoculated" to the faith by their prolonged superficial contact with it, believing they have experienced all the religion (for that is all it has ever been to them) has to offer and found it entirely dissatisfying and impotent. Like the first sort of person who "falls away" from the faith, a hardening has occurred that cannot be undone nor resisted. Those described in Hebrews 6:4-6 who "fall away" do not think ever to return to the faith, either because they don't realize they aren't in it, or believe they've found it to be a fraud.

Your questions don't come from a heart hardened to the faith. You aren't yet the person of Hebrews 6:4-6, totally hardened to the only way of escape from the wrath of God and into reconciliation to Him. But you can be. Time and continued resistance to God will lead you to a condition of hardness toward Him from which there is no return.
 
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The book of Hebrews was written to Hebrews probably as a last attempt to get them to accept that Jesus was the Messiah.

The "taste" of the powers of the age to come (miracles) as well as the presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit was supposed to be proof to them that the kingdom was being offered to the nation.

Previously Israel the righteous could look forward to the resurrection of the just. If they sinned, they always had the option to repent and seek after righteousness.

When salvation by grace was offered, the Jews in particular had a difficult time thinking that once they were saved, they were part of the body of Christ (always saved).

Hebrews six is not saying that salvation can be lost. It is saying just the opposite. It is saying that this salvation by grace is different than what they were familiar with. The law had provision for making sacrifices and restoring righteousness.

In Hebrews what is pointed out is that Jesus is the perfect sacrifice (once for all). This is proven by the fact that the imaginary scenario of one falling away is proven impossible because then there would be no way back like there was in the old system.
 
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Hello everyone,

I've been really struggling with the meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6 lately. I became a Christian in my late teens, leaving behind a very rough life. I was completely renewed as a person, and had a beautiful mystical experience that really solidified my faith. I was even on the path to becoming a Priest.

However, in my early 20s serious personal turmoil drove me away from my faith. I went beyond disbelief, and into literal blasphemy... I scorned Christ in every way, dabbled in occultism, and even read books on Satanism/Luciferianism. I also destroyed old rosaries, threw images of Christ in the garbage, etc.

Around this time, I had an experience which I now think of as revealing that I was leading myself to condemnation... I was listening to music and there was a lyric mocking Christ. The instant the lyric was sung, my hand carved crucifix fell and landed on my Buddha statue, this caused the Crucifix's head to come off. I kept the head, and considered using it to upset others.

A couple of years have passed, and I am now seeing the errors of my ways... I have realized that a godless life is one not worth living, and I want to return to my faith. However, I came across Hebrews 6:4-6 and felt terrified... I have experienced the love, mercy and forgiveness of God, I even brought others to Christ! Despite this, I turned my back on Him and openly mocked him. What do I do? Is salvation possible?


Heb 9:27-28 We die only once, and then we are judged. So Christ died only once to take away the sins of many people.

The scripture above shows us that the cross covers a lifetime of sins. Hebrews 6 when describing a person who has fallen away states "seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. "

Hebrews 6 states that the person described in that scripture is "crucifying christ afresh (or again)". But we know from Hebrews 9:27-28 that the cross covers a lifetime of sins. The only possible way for the person to do that act is to have 1) died in their sins, 2) then demand the sacrifice be made again.

The scripture does not refer to a person who has fallen into sin and still lives, but rather a person who has apostatized and died in their sins. While you live the cross is available.

James 5:19-20 My friends, if any followers have wandered away from the truth, you should try to lead them back. If you turn sinners from the wrong way, you will save them from death, and many of their sins will be forgiven.
 
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Welcome Jeff from another Jeff!

Great responses by many other members. I will just add, to read the story of the prodigal son, that the Lord himself conveyed. Now if the Lord took time to give us the details in Scripture, does it not apply to all of us? Luke 15:11-32.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15:11-32 - New International Version
 
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Is salvation possible?
Yes, salvation is still there. It is a lifelong battle for us all to stay true to our faith in Jesus. There's no point at which we can go to where salvation is forever out of reach for us, because we have been close to God earlier, or too far away. However the more we turn our back to God, the higher is our chance of getting lost. I'm sure many people are thinking "when I become old and sick I will turn away from the world and the things of the world and of the flesh", but I'm just as sure that at that point they will have come to a point where they no longer know the difference between lies and truth, God or the devil.

The words in the bible made you fear for your salvation. I'd claim that this is a good thing, no matter if it might have given you an awful fright. I've tasted this same fear, and I know it's the most terrible thing of all things to believe that the soul is beyond repentance.

The question that your post really ask is "have I done an unforgivable sin", and the answer to that is no. You wouldn't be worried about Jesus if you had.

My own interpretation of "sin against the Holy Spirit" is that this is what everyone does when they close their eyes and turn their back on Jesus, that can only be understood by the Holy Spirit and that only can be found by the "eyes" and "ears" that the scripture describe. It's a sin that cannot be forgiven, because by the Holy Spirit we are cleansed from our sin and by the Holy Spirit we are following the narrow path, and by the Holy Spirit we are walking through the door and by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, we find eternal life, salvation, a new heaven and a new earth.

I hope your fear will leave you and may the peace of God fill you and your house, amen.
 
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Dear fellow-fallen,

In my late teens, I too kicked the Holy Spirit out. Willfully, I told Him to leave. I then plunged into a life of hedonism that I will be paying for in one respect or another, for the rest of my life. I also woke up to the cosmic, earth-shaking, heart-breaking realization that I had committed a mistake that I was going to regret, not just for the rest of this life, but into the next life also.

For years, having awakened to the fact that I was going to be condemned, relying heavily on Hebrews 6:4-6 as the judgment against me, I sought to blunt the coming damnation that I knew I was headed for. I worked to becoming 'Mr. Forgiveness'. I found joy in persecution for the sake of righteousness - I looked for opportunities to be persecuted, just so I could forgive like crazy. I begged the Holy Spirit to come back. I studied like a maniac. I hated living, but my fear of dying and the suffering that was to come scared me more, and so I reveled in my sorrow. Life was miserable. Often times it still is.

So - how's that for encouragement!

Back to Hebrews 4. If you keep on trucking to verse 8, it says "near to being cursed." Still on the same topic where he said, "impossible...to renew them again unto repentance." Go back and look at it. Why would he say near, if renewing repentance was impossible? And, if we're going to take the word 'impossible' deadly serious, then that word 'near' is just as serious. Same author, same book, same subject.

I went back to the 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit' verses in Matthew 12. "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Well, let me ask you a question. If one pays a debt, when the payment is done, is the debt considered forgiven? Like, if I take out a loan with a bank, and the bank forgives my debt, I never pay them back; but if I pay the loan back, nobody says, "Thank you sir. Your debt is forgiven." I would say, "No - I paid it. We're square."

So, there is no renewal unto repentance? Then why is that only 'near' to being cursed? The answer is in the same verse. "that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected."

What if both are true. What if there is no renewal unto repentance, because you're not expecting forgiveness - some lessons can only be learned by passing through the fire. What if you have to pay the price for your sins, but you can pay them now, the ones that aren't forgivable. There's profound hope in that.

Look to the church of the Laodiceans. Revelation 3:18. "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Pay the price for the sins that the bank isn't going to forgive. Repent of the sins that can be repented for. Thank goodness for 'near to cursed'! Quit bearing thorns and thistles, get to bearing fruit. Take on the penalty now, let God burn the dross off you, jump in the fire.

And, as one of your other responders presented, Hebrews 6:4-6 does not nullify the tale of the prodigal son - who was dead, and is alive. It does not nullify Jesus' words about forgiveness in Matthew 6:14-15. "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

My life has been one of constant suffering since I rejected the Holy Spirit. But since then I have had God visit me in my dreams twice. Jesus showed up in one of my dreams once, and I threw myself at his feet and grabbed his legs for dear life; and He put his hand gently on my back.

I leave you with John 6:37. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

Take courage.
 
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Dear fellow-fallen,

In my late teens, I too kicked the Holy Spirit out. Willfully, I told Him to leave. I then plunged into a life of hedonism that I will be paying for in one respect or another, for the rest of my life. I also woke up to the cosmic, earth-shaking, heart-breaking realization that I had committed a mistake that I was going to regret, not just for the rest of this life, but into the next life also.

For years, having awakened to the fact that I was going to be condemned, relying heavily on Hebrews 6:4-6 as the judgment against me, I sought to blunt the coming damnation that I knew I was headed for. I worked to becoming 'Mr. Forgiveness'. I found joy in persecution for the sake of righteousness - I looked for opportunities to be persecuted, just so I could forgive like crazy. I begged the Holy Spirit to come back. I studied like a maniac. I hated living, but my fear of dying and the suffering that was to come scared me more, and so I reveled in my sorrow. Life was miserable. Often times it still is.

So - how's that for encouragement!

Back to Hebrews 4. If you keep on trucking to verse 8, it says "near to being cursed." Still on the same topic where he said, "impossible...to renew them again unto repentance." Go back and look at it. Why would he say near, if renewing repentance was impossible? And, if we're going to take the word 'impossible' deadly serious, then that word 'near' is just as serious. Same author, same book, same subject.

I went back to the 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit' verses in Matthew 12. "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Well, let me ask you a question. If one pays a debt, when the payment is done, is the debt considered forgiven? Like, if I take out a loan with a bank, and the bank forgives my debt, I never pay them back; but if I pay the loan back, nobody says, "Thank you sir. Your debt is forgiven." I would say, "No - I paid it. We're square."

So, there is no renewal unto repentance? Then why is that only 'near' to being cursed? The answer is in the same verse. "that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected."

What if both are true. What if there is no renewal unto repentance, because you're not expecting forgiveness - some lessons can only be learned by passing through the fire. What if you have to pay the price for your sins, but you can pay them now, the ones that aren't forgivable. There's profound hope in that.

Look to the church of the Laodiceans. Revelation 3:18. "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Pay the price for the sins that the bank isn't going to forgive. Repent of the sins that can be repented for. Thank goodness for 'near to cursed'! Quit bearing thorns and thistles, get to bearing fruit. Take on the penalty now, let God burn the dross off you, jump in the fire.

And, as one of your other responders presented, Hebrews 6:4-6 does not nullify the tale of the prodigal son - who was dead, and is alive. It does not nullify Jesus' words about forgiveness in Matthew 6:14-15. "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

My life has been one of constant suffering since I rejected the Holy Spirit. But since then I have had God visit me in my dreams twice. Jesus showed up in one of my dreams once, and I threw myself at his feet and grabbed his legs for dear life; and He put his hand gently on my back.

I leave you with John 6:37. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

Take courage.

Do you have the Holy Spirit now?
 
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