Abortion Activists Create Children's Abortion Book

Michie said:

Carly Manes and 'M' recently designed a new children‘s book called What’s an Abortion, Anyway?

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A murder of a unique human being with dignity and a right to life, because some selfish [Again, must bless and not curse] wants to continue her "lifestyle" of drinking wine with the girls and sleeping around.

That's what an abortion is.

From the book: "stop the pregnancy from growing bigger."
They can't bring themselves to say "baby". Won't be surprised if someday they do though.

Abortion is the natural consequence of separating procreation from the conjugal act. Once people are told that sex is for fun and to be enjoyed by all without the responsibility of pregnancy and children, death is the natural result. This is Proverbs 14:12 played out in dramatic fashion. There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
The saddest real life story I ever witnessed was of a teenage couple. The boy was so distraught when he found out his girlfriend was pregnant that he attempted suicide. He did not succeed, but now has permanent brain damage. His girlfriend was so distraught when she found that her boyfriend attempted suicide, that she also attempted suicide. She succeeded. What do we have? A dead mother, a dead baby and a brain damaged boy. Why? all because they were afraid of having a child.
That is sad and sick at the same time. How have we gone so far as to think that a baby is so unwanted that it causes death and destruction? We are reaping the fruits of our failure to scream from the housetops of the evils of contraception. There is no moral use of contraception. If a couple does not want children, then do not have sexual intercourse, the end
We are coming up on the hundred year anniversary of the Lambeth conference, where a Christian church, Anglican, allowed contraception as a moral choice for the first time. The Catholic Church fought against it at first, and the teaching still stands that Contraception is evil, but a large part of Catholics, bishops and cardinals included, rebelled against the teaching of Humanae Vitae.
I was one of those Catholics that rebelled and believed that birth control was no big deal, but God in His mercy gave me space to repent. I pray others do the same, or else I fear that the wrath of God will be poured out without mixture on this generation. Over 60 million dead. Do we think God does not care?

boughtwithaprice said:

We are reaping the fruits of our failure to scream from the housetops of the evils of contraception.

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I'd rather have people wearing condoms than having abortions and with the way the world has gone now, it's either going to be one or the other so unfortunately it's a lesser of two evils case and I think that it's clear in this instance that one of these is less evil than the other. Wearing a condom is not the same as aborting a child, I don't care how people try to spin it and if people wearing condoms means that abortions will go down, then I'm all for it.

See this is the church's problem: you can't just expect people not to have sex in 2021. Maybe a bunch of men who have never had sex can, but it's entirely unrealistic to expect people outside of the Catholic church (Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals) to hold to this idea just because the church has a Victorian level hangup about sex. Again it comes down to the lesser of two evils: be artificially preventing conception or allow conception to happen and then just murder the conceived person. I think that the answer is pretty clear here and if the church really cares about abortion, they need to be not necessarily encouraging people to use methods to prevent conception but to not treat a condom like it's the same thing as an abortion, because it isn't.

BrAndreyu said:

I'd rather have people wearing condoms than having abortions and with the way the world has gone now, it's either going to be one or the other so unfortunately it's a lesser of two evils case and I think that it's clear in this instance that one of these is less evil than the other. Wearing a condom is not the same as aborting a child, I don't care how people try to spin it and if people wearing condoms means that abortions will go down, then I'm all for it.

See this is the church's problem: you can't just expect people not to have sex in 2021. Maybe a bunch of men who have never had sex can, but it's entirely unrealistic to expect people outside of the Catholic church (Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals) to hold to this idea just because the church has a Victorian level hangup about sex. Again it comes down to the lesser of two evils: be artificially preventing conception or allow conception to happen and then just murder the conceived person. I think that the answer is pretty clear here and if the church really cares about abortion, they need to be not necessarily encouraging people to use methods to prevent conception but to not treat a condom like it's the same thing as an abortion, because it isn't.

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Oh Brother, I feel for you. You are where I was just a few years ago, and I understand the arguments, but the proliferation of contraception and condoms has not reduced abortions. They have gotten worse.
The Church does not expect people not to have sex in 2021, we know they will, but God has commanded you to not have sex unless you want children, and we are not to have children unless we are married.

Sex is a drug like opium. It serves no useful purpose unless practiced for what God intended. Opium was given by God in the opium poppy to use to relieve pain. The major opiates are morphine, diacetylmorphine (heroin), oxycodone, hydrocodone, fentanyl, demerol, and buprenorphine (suboxone). All of these can be used to relieve pain, improve function and relieve suffering when used in proper doses. Heroin is illegal in the USA, but is used in the UK for post operative pain control. They all work really well when used appropriately. When used for pure pleasure, they lead to addiction, misery, and death. An addict will tell you that it is unreasonable to ask him to give up his habit because it feels good and he sees nothing wrong. Even when trouble arrives, the drug has too much power in the addiction for him to stop without help.
Sex is much the same way. It serves no useful purpose when used for pleasure alone, and frequently leads to misery and death. I have two broken marriages to prove it; though no one has physically died; two of my children have divorced parents. Though we see the trail of misery in our wake, we still insist that we cannot give it up. It feels too good and we need it. Sound familiar?
It is not a Victorian hang-up about sex, but it is a command of God that we shall not commit adultery. We say ok, we won't have sex with married people. Not so fast, Jesus says that if we even look at a woman with lust, then we have already committed adultery in our hearts. We say the Lord is too hard, we can't stop looking at women, we are men, we think of sex all the time. That may be true in our natural state, but God has promised to cleanse us from all unrighteousness; we need to ask God for grace, just as the addict must ask for help. The road to recovery is long and hard, but it can be done, because God promised. We will fall because our flesh is weak, but we must never become so stubborn that we say the teaching is wrong because it is impossible. Nothing is impossible with God.
Women are not sex objects created for our pleasure; they are mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts, grandmothers and virgins. I have no right to think of them to derive pleasure. When I look at a woman now, I first think of children. Am I looking at her to have children? If the answer is no, then the sexual thoughts fade away; if they remain, they become disgusting and shameful. This is not hang-up or prudishness; this is righteousness. The church teaches the truth, and cannot err, by the power of the Holy Spirit. I am obligated to submit.


Scriptures to consider:

1Cor6:18 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Romans 8:13 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

2Peter2
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.



Sex is the flesh, and authority is the Church. I have spoken many words, but it is only because I care for your soul. Do not give up and live for the flesh. Ask God for help, and He will deliver you. I cannot convert you, only the grace of God can do that. I pray to the Virgin Mary and all the angles and saints to melt your heart, and you turn from death. God bless you

boughtwithaprice said:

God has commanded you to not have sex unless you want children, and we are not to have children unless we are married.

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I don't have sex anymore. I've had enough of it in life that I've realized that it's pointless unless the person loves you, and if the person loved you, they would marry you instead of making some excuse as to why they don't want to get married. I mean, I wish I would have realized that before I spent my teens and twenties fornicating with every girl that approached me, but it is what it is at this point. I guess that in a way I lucked out because I don't even want it anymore. I'd rather have someone who cares about me to just hang out around the house with, I don't need to sleep with anyone anymore. I have absolutely nothing to prove anymore & I don't want any kids with the way the world is now where your kids are going to be indoctrinated in leftist crap and LGBTQWERTY ideology by cartoons. It's not a conducive environment to raise children in and then people scratch their head as to why school shootings and stuff happen.

boughtwithaprice said:

It is not a Victorian hang-up about sex, but it is a command of God that we shall not commit adultery. We say ok, we won't have sex with married people. Not so fast, Jesus says that if we even look at a woman with lust, then we have already committed adultery in our hearts.

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I'm sorry, but as a cradle Catholic I think that the church has a very big hangup with sex since they don't even want married couples engaging in it unless they're going to have a child whereas every other Christian denomination teaches that it's fine for married couples to enjoy sex with one another and not expect to produce a child out of it. For some strange reason, the church is very hung up on "virginity" as if being a virgin somehow makes you a better person in the eyes of God, which we know is not true since he said "be fruitful and multiply".

The biggest problem I have with the Church, and I've said it time and again, is that you have men who have never had sex and are not married, handing out relationship advice to married couples and then people wonder why the divorce rate is through the roof in the church. I have made the case for letting priests marry multiple times and I'm going to stick by that, because at one point in time, they were allowed to marry and only somewhere along the line when they were handing their parishes down to their sons, was the demand for celibacy and chastity made. This does not exist in the Orthodox church until you get to the level of Bishops.

boughtwithaprice said:

We say the Lord is too hard, we can't stop looking at women, we are men, we think of sex all the time.

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Some people might, I don't. I lucked out in that my previously lifestyle made it easy to not think about sex. You talk about sex using the nature of opiates, and we know that too much of a drug is a bad thing. I am living proof of that. I can't have a normal relationship with a woman anymore because I just assume that they only want me around for sex, and then I get bitter.

boughtwithaprice said:

I cannot convert you, only the grace of God can do that. I pray to the Virgin Mary and all the angles and saints to melt your heart, and you turn from death.

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You don't need to, you're entirely missing the point of what I was trying to say: I do not have sex anymore. I had too much of it and now I don't want it, and that means that I can't have a normal relationship with a woman because the woman will want sex and I'll just want to do things like go out to dinner, go to the beach, basically anything but having sex.

The other part of what I was trying to say is that telling a married couple that they cannot have sex unless they want to produce a child, is a very Victorian hang up about sex; and it's coming from men who are not married and have likely never had sex. Married couples have sex. That's one of the benefits of getting married, and at least until recently, was the reason why people got married to begin with: so they could have sex with one another. Children came about as a result of that, it's not that people see each other and say "Oh I want to have children with you, let's get married". It doesn't work like that and it seems like every other Christian denomination but the Catholic church, which I have been a part of since I was a baby, seems to understand and it makes absolutely no sense to me, and I consider myself a pretty rational person for the most part. I believe that God blessed me with the gift of being able to rationally understand things, and that if I can understand things a specific way, God has thought of them that way long before I did.

My comment about condoms is basically thus: they prevent AIDS and prevent pregnancy when used properly. If people are not getting pregnant, they are not going to murder an unwanted child. Because people are not going to stop having sex outside of marriage in the world and since there's quite literally nothing that the church can do about it, condom usage, especially in areas with high incidences of AIDS (like Africa and Russia) automatically become the lesser of two evils. Therefore it is a major moral failing of the church for simply pretending that people external to the church are going to remain abstinent (we already know they aren't) and for them to go around spreading flat out lies about the efficacy of condoms for both preventing unwanted pregnancy (and thus abortion) let alone preventing AIDS when used properly.

If you gave me the choice between people using condoms and legalized abortion, I'm going to choose people using condoms every day of the week because I'm not naive enough to think that I can simply tell people that God expects them to live a specific way and that they're going to live that way.

I'm sorry if I am coming off as nasty, because I'm really not trying to. I understand that you have your position on the issue and that the church has it's opinion on the issue, but I'm looking at it in terms of harm reduction and how to reduce the number of abortions. I do not believe for one fraction of a second that the proliferation of condoms has actually increased the number of abortions. I believe that the ease of access to abortion and the general reduction of shaming for abortion has led to the increased numbers of abortions and that stopping abortion should be the church's number one priority, not trying to control people's sexual habits because it's abundantly clear that we live in an age where this simply can't be done. But what we can do is stop these people from getting pregnant to begin with certain methods. Since people aren't going to stop having sex outside of marriage or when they don't want children, and since the lack of shame for having an abortion continues to increase with campaigns like "shout my abortion" and other degenerate, depravity... the way to reduce the number of abortions is to stop people from conceiving to begin with. And the church hierarchy really ought to realize that instead of continuing to live in their fantasy world where they can tell people not to have sex and that people who aren't Catholics are going to listen because millions of children are being killed every single year. Better for them not to be conceived at all then conceived and then killed in their mother's womb.

You are not coming off nasty brother, I understand your point; I made the same arguments myself a few short years ago. I really feel for you, but you are thinking in Earthly terms, according to the flesh and not what God originally intended. For over the first 1800 years of Christianity, including over the first 400 years of Protestantism, it was taught that contraceptive sex was intrinsically evil. It was only in 1930 at the Lambeth conference of the Anglican church that contraception was considered possibly moral in limited grave circumstances with married couples. Remember the phrase "safe, legal, and rare"; that was the same slogan they used to foist abortion on society. 50 years later we know that was a lie.

The Catholic church was prevented from teaching that contraception was not evil, because it is the only Church with the promise from God, that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Not that a lot of bishops did not want the teaching to change; they rebelled against Pope Paul VI by issuing the Winnipeg statement. The teaching of the Catholic church has not changed because it is the truth. Contraception is evil.
Think of your own situation. You do not want to have sex anymore, because you feel used. That is exactly right. When a woman has contraceptive sex, she does not want a husband; she wants a sex toy, and the only thing you are graded on in that situation is technique. Oh you didn't do it right, that's no good, you are a broken toy; female eye roll = emasculated man. Been there, done that, regret every thought and argument I used to make. In the marital act, the woman is supposed to give herself completely to her husband, and the two become one flesh. With contraception, that is not possible, because she is holding herself back; its not sexual intercourse, it is mutual masturbation.

You also say that you want condoms promoted to reduce abortion. That is not going to work, and what did Jesus say? He said follow me and let the dead bury their dead. In other words, do and teach what the Church teaches and let God worry about the world. It says in the Gospel of Matthew 5


11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

the easiest way for the salt to lose its savor is to stop standing for the truth, to cave to the desires of the world, and not to Christ. There are those in the Catholic church that want to do that, but the Magisterium of the Church will never teach error, as it is protected by the promise of the Holy Spirit.

I will pray for you, and I do not think you are nasty. These are perilous times, and we are in a fight for souls, not the temporary pleasures of life. I would rather die young and go to heaven, than live a long life and wind up in hell

peace be with you

boughtwithaprice said:

You also say that you want condoms promoted to reduce abortion.

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Primarily abortion, but AIDS as well in places like sub-Saharan Africa and Russia. Like I said, it's a lesser of two evils thing. Because I know that people are not going to stop having sex, so if they can at least do so in a way where they aren't going to conceive or spread a fatal disease, I'm willing to take that as a win and worry about the rest of it later. I'm primarily concerned with preventing conception so that an abortion won't take place but if it has the added effect of preventing a fatal disease, then that's good enough for me too. I say condoms specifically because unlike other methods of contraception, conception does not take place and then is prevented by pharmacological means from implanting in the uterine wall.

My wholehearted belief is that abortion has to be stopped because it's the greater evil of the two and I'm willing to concede the issue of a specific type of contraception if it's going to prevent abortions from being performed. I don't think that people in the church should be using condoms because they shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage at all, but for the people who are going to do it anyway or aren't in the church, then letting them have condoms is not a horrible thing in my eyes and the church shouldn't be getting in the way of them obtaining and using them.

It's the same reason why I support clean and supervised IV drug injection sites in major cities. It's a harm reduction thing, not that I actively want people to be injecting drugs, but I'd rather have people injecting drugs in a clean and safe environment under supervision from trained medical professionals and to be able to be connected with help to beat their addictions than have them dying out on the streets. Just like the reason I carry intranasal Naloxone around in my backpack when I go out in case I come across any ODs (luckily I haven't yet). I don't carry it because I want people to abuse opiates, but in case I come across someone who does.