Christian college must now allow opposite sex people in the showers

CreeXPL · May 21, 2021

After doing some reading through the threads about how Christian organizations aren't being forced by laws to do anything that goes against their beliefs, I came across an article that shows that a judge has ruled for that very idea.

Judge Roseann Ketchmark, an Obama appointee, heard oral arguments from both sides for more than two hours Wednesday. After the hearing, she announced she would deny the college’s request to issue an injunction against the rule, which requires that segregated facilities such as dorms and restrooms be based on a person’s gender identity.

“After careful consideration of the law … the court denies the plaintiff’s motion for temporary restraining order and injunction,” she said from the bench. “The court does find that the dispute is not justiciable.”

The judge plans to issue a written order as soon as possible, she said.

Valorie Coleman, a spokesperson from the college, said the school will appeal.
Judge rules Christian college must follow Biden rule opening dorms, showers to opposite sex

Swan7 · May 21, 2021

Interesting. Here comes Sodom and Gomorrah - world wide edition.

Yttrium · May 21, 2021

Well, yeah, that could be awkward.

Might be time to consider redesigning the dorms.

comana · May 21, 2021

Yttrium said:
Well, yeah, that could be awkward.

Might be time to consider redesigning the dorms.

Dorm rooms should be designed with private baths in each room which solves the problem. I know older dorms have a central community bath, but those should be rebuilt to supply private baths in each room. I know, schools will say it is cost prohibitive, but, for the cost of tuition these days, it needs to be done.

DerSchweik · May 21, 2021

satan certainly feels safe in our nation now to do his pleasure.

Pommer · May 21, 2021

CreeXPL said:
After doing some reading through the threads about how Christian organizations aren't being forced by laws to do anything that goes against their beliefs, I came across an article that shows that a judge has ruled for that very idea.

Judge Roseann Ketchmark, an Obama appointee, heard oral arguments from both sides for more than two hours Wednesday. After the hearing, she announced she would deny the college’s request to issue an injunction against the rule, which requires that segregated facilities such as dorms and restrooms be based on a person’s gender identity.

“After careful consideration of the law … the court denies the plaintiff’s motion for temporary restraining order and injunction,” she said from the bench. “The court does find that the dispute is not justiciable.”

The judge plans to issue a written order as soon as possible, she said.

Valorie Coleman, a spokesperson from the college, said the school will appeal.
Judge rules Christian college must follow Biden rule opening dorms, showers to opposite sex

There’s a simple solution to this: do not accept any students that are planning on using federal grants or loans to pay tuition.
Then the college can do as it pleases.

Yttrium · May 21, 2021

Pommer said:
There’s a simple solution to this: do not accept any students that are planning on using federal grants or loans to pay tuition.
Then the college can do as it pleases.

The college in question, the College of the Ozarks, doesn't charge tuition.

Biden's Order Opening Dorms, Showers to Opposite Sex a Violation of Religious Liberties, College Says (msn.com)

PloverWing · May 21, 2021

It'll be interesting to see the exact wording of the decision when the judge writes it. From what I can tell, the college's request for an injunction was a very hypothetical one, since I don't see how a transgender person could be a student at the College of the Ozarks at all. Their Lifestyle/Sexuality Policy says

Toward this end, the College may subject to disciplinary action any employee or student who engages in or encourages:
1. Gender expression inconsistent with sex assigned at birth
2. Gender transition

(and the list continues; source: https://www.cofo.edu/Portals/3/Documents/StudentHandbookSp19e.pdf?ver=2019-06-25-154151-277). If the college prohibits transgender people from being students at all, then it's not clear how they would be getting dorm assignments. The judge might be denying the TRO on those grounds.

Occams Barber · May 21, 2021

CreeXPL said:
After doing some reading through the threads about how Christian organizations aren't being forced by laws to do anything that goes against their beliefs, I came across an article that shows that a judge has ruled for that very idea.

Judge Roseann Ketchmark, an Obama appointee, heard oral arguments from both sides for more than two hours Wednesday. After the hearing, she announced she would deny the college’s request to issue an injunction against the rule, which requires that segregated facilities such as dorms and restrooms be based on a person’s gender identity.

“After careful consideration of the law … the court denies the plaintiff’s motion for temporary restraining order and injunction,” she said from the bench. “The court does find that the dispute is not justiciable.”

The judge plans to issue a written order as soon as possible, she said.

Valorie Coleman, a spokesperson from the college, said the school will appeal.
Judge rules Christian college must follow Biden rule opening dorms, showers to opposite sex

Your article is behind a Washington Times paywall. The wall allows a limited number of free articles before blocking access.

This link :
College of the Ozarks request denied in federal court | News Free | bransontrilakesnews.com is to a free-to-view report on the same topic. Since it appears to be a small regional news source I can't comment on bias.

OB

ViaCrucis · May 21, 2021

Swan7 said:
Interesting. Here comes Sodom and Gomorrah - world wide edition.

The judge didn't order the college to starve the poor to death, so what does this have to do with Sodom and Gomorrah?

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · May 21, 2021

DerSchweik said:
satan certainly feels safe in our nation now to do his pleasure.

Friend, if you think this situation is evidence of the devil "feeling safe in our nation to do his pleasure", but the past 250 years of slavery and genocide wasn't, then I simply don't know how to tell you this, but you're fighting on the wrong side.

Those who collude with death and injustice collude with the the evil one.

-CryptoLutheran

DerSchweik · May 21, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
Friend, if you think this situation is evidence of the devil "feeling safe in our nation to do his pleasure", but the past 250 years of slavery and genocide wasn't, then I simply don't know how to tell you this, but you're fighting on the wrong side.

Those who collude with death and injustice collude with the the evil one.

-CryptoLutheran

Abortion no doubt being a valid case in point?

ViaCrucis · May 21, 2021

DerSchweik said:
Abortion no doubt being a valid case in point?

Yeah, it is. The topic of abortion absolutely does involve talking about matters of life and death, justice and injustice.

Those who would stand on the side of life and justice ought to stand in support of lowering abortion, not by unjust and oppressive laws, but by providing justice for those in need of such justice. Women are human lives too.

If one's only solution to abortion is to--rather than actually address abortion and the social circumstances surrounding it--simply sweep abortion under the rug; as though illegal abortions are somehow preferable to legal ones, then it isn't a solution at all.

-CryptoLutheran

Chrystal-J · May 21, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
The judge didn't order the college to starve the poor to death, so what does this have to do with Sodom and Gomorrah?

-CryptoLutheran

And this... Jude 7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah "gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion."

ViaCrucis · May 21, 2021

Chrystal-J said:
And this... Jude 7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah "gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion."

Yes, I think it's safe to say that roaming rape gangs might have been part of the whole Sodom and Gomorrah not being exactly hospitable to visitors.

And I think it's also safe to say that it doesn't sound like the judge ordered the college to have rape gangs attack visitors.

-CryptoLutheran

DerSchweik · May 21, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
Yeah, it is. The topic of abortion absolutely does involve talking about matters of life and death, justice and injustice.

Those who would stand on the side of life and justice ought to stand in support of lowering abortion, not by unjust and oppressive laws, but by providing justice for those in need of such justice. Women are human lives too.

If one's only solution to abortion is to--rather than actually address abortion and the social circumstances surrounding it--simply sweep abortion under the rug; as though illegal abortions are somehow preferable to legal ones, then it isn't a solution at all.

-CryptoLutheran

Ah well, open a can of worms and... don't be surprised at what slithers out, I guess.

DerSchweik · May 21, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
And I think it's also safe to say that it doesn't sound like the judge ordered the college to have rape gangs attack visitors.
-CryptoLutheran

No... just shower with them.

CreeXPL · May 21, 2021

PloverWing said:
It'll be interesting to see the exact wording of the decision when the judge writes it. From what I can tell, the college's request for an injunction was a very hypothetical one, since I don't see how a transgender person could be a student at the College of the Ozarks at all. Their Lifestyle/Sexuality Policy says
(and the list continues; source: https://www.cofo.edu/Portals/3/Documents/StudentHandbookSp19e.pdf?ver=2019-06-25-154151-277). If the college prohibits transgender people from being students at all, then it's not clear how they would be getting dorm assignments. The judge might be denying the TRO on those grounds.

Those disciplinary actions will probably be the next target for the lawyers to go after.

Swan7 · May 21, 2021

We already know what's coming, those who are His. We see scripture coming true and His advent draws near and more near, indeed.

rjs330 · May 21, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
Yes, I think it's safe to say that roaming rape gangs might have been part of the whole Sodom and Gomorrah not being exactly hospitable to visitors.

And I think it's also safe to say that it doesn't sound like the judge ordered the college to have rape gangs attack visitors.

-CryptoLutheran

Sodom and Gomorrah werent evil just cause of rape gangs. The entire city was corrupt with homosexuality and perversion. It was far more than just what happened at Lots house.

Homosexuality is just one more nail in the coffin for America. We came out of slavery and gave the blacks much deserved civil rights. And now the transgender/homosexuality community is infiltrating the church and Christian community. Evil waxes worse and worse.

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