Trump will not be at the Inauguration

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That's not much of an admission. LOL


I disagree with the provisos you felt you needed to put on the record before getting to that "I don't think you or anyone can say he had no part in that" conclusion. Nevertheless, we can admit to him having become sharp-edged the more he's been mistreated by his enemies, that's right.


That's a popular lie on the part of the left.

The concern about Obama's birthplace was voiced by many people. He could show no birth certificate after years of this being in the news. His own family in Kenya talked as though he was born there. The Democratic Governor of Hawaii took it upon himself to say he was going to get to the bottom of this matter by personally going over the records and finding the evidence; later he had to admit that he'd done that and could find no birth certificate for Obama.

Now, Trump did chime in on that criticism, it's true. But if you are going to say that, you need also to admit that the Dems did the same thing with McCain. No apologies were forthcoming for that attack, of course. And Trump dropped his talk about Obama's birthplace when nothing conclusive could be found by anyone. Why that makes him the special villain in this story makes no sense although it's a favorite, go-to, attack line of his enemies ever since.


Was he, at that time, being called an insurrectionist, guilty of sedition, a terrorist, someone who should be impeached, expelled from the White House by force, and/or impeached with only 13 days to go in his term of office? And by people like the Speaker of the House and other members of Congress?

NO! And if you don't see any difference here, there's not much more to say,.
Has Trump done 1 thing in the history of the world that you would view as wrong?

I get being a conservative. No issues with that. But why go out of your way to defend Trump, when there are so many other conservative candidates who are more reasonable? Why defend the indefensible?
 
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The left isn't, and never has been, interested in "solidarity" with Trump or conservatives.
Why would you WANT to be in solidarity with a known criminal that defrauds people, engages in tax and bank fraud, steals from a children's cancer charity, and sexually abuses and rapes women and underage girls? Or the "conservatives" (read cultists) who enable that criminal.

I was always told to pick and choose my friends and associates very carefull because their character would rub off on me. Obviously, you have no problem wearing the stink that is Donald trump.
 
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Uh... no, they had no problem finding Obama's birth certificate in Hawaii. You live in some weird alternate reality.

Sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about. What I wrote is the fact.

What you probably are referring to is Obama finally presenting what was purported to be a COPY of his (non-existent) birth certificate. Experts noted numerous alterations that had been made to this "document."

And there was no explanation about why he didn't present it at any time during the previous five or so years when his place of birth was a hot topic of discussion and critical to his being eligible to run for president.
 
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Uh... no, they had no problem finding Obama's birth certificate in Hawaii. You live in some weird alternate reality.
Echo chamber. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get guys who are so wrapped-up in it that they will defend literally anything simply because a person is wearing red. No principles it seems.
 
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And there was no explanation about why he didn't present it at any time during the previous five or so years when his place of birth was a hot topic of discussion and critical to his being eligible to run for president.

It wasn't though, and I admire him for releasing it on his own time and not as soon as a load of honking racists were demanding it.
 
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The concern about Obama's birthplace was voiced by many people.
It was voiced by a very small but vocal minority of a minority.

He could show no birth certificate after years of this being in the news.
Nor is he required to. But he did so on the third year of his presidency. He likely held off because he knew that doing so would not satisfy the theorists. He was right, if so. The sort of people who push that kind of nonsense don't actually care about evidence.

The Democratic Governor of Hawaii took it upon himself to say he was going to get to the bottom of this matter by personally going over the records and finding the evidence; later he had to admit that he'd done that and could find no birth certificate for Obama.

Are you talking about Governor Neil Abercrombie? Because this is a direct quote from him.
“Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President’s citizenship,” Abercrombie said in a statement. “We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawaii.

Maybe you mean another governor, though.

Now, Trump did chime in on that criticism, it's true.
He tweeted about it 67 times and made numerous interviews. He also claimed to have investigators digging up evidence in Hawaii, but never presented said evidence, strangely. I'd say that's a little more than 'chiming in'.

But if you are going to say that, you need also to admit that the Dems did the same thing with McCain. No apologies were forthcoming for that attack, of course.
It was not nearly as vociferous as the Obama birth movement, and Obama never pushed it, so that's a poor analogy. Did anyone send out investigators to dig up McCain's birthplace?

. And Trump dropped his talk about Obama's birthplace when nothing conclusive could be found by anyone.
His last tweet about it was in 2015, years after the birth certificate was released. He only admitted it publicly in 2016. The dust had long since settled on the matter by then.
NO! And if you don't see any difference here, there's not much more to say,.
The difference, of course, being that Obama never incited a riot to get any of that talk going.
 
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It wasn't though, and I admire him for releasing it on his own time and not as soon as a load of honking racists were demanding it.
Next he is gonna suggest that there were "real issues" as to whether Obama was a Muslim terrorist.
 
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Thanks guys, for making sure that even the mildest of starts towards having more civility around here won't take hold.

:sigh:
Sorry but that ship sailed and was sunk on Wednesday. There’s no compromise with terrorists.
 
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Sorry but that ship sailed and was sunk on Wednesday. There’s no compromise with terrorists.
That was downright comical. It's like the bully who goes around terrorizing kids, but then as soon as he runs into a bigger kid he smiles and says "Let's all be friends."
 
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It was voiced by a very small but vocal minority of a minority.
I agree. What I meant by "many people" was that Trump was not unique in raising this issue. It had already been raised by others. They were not by any means a majority of the population or members of the press or anything like that.

Having agreed with each other on this point, where does that leave us? Certainly it shows that this was not some special conspiracy theory hatched by Trump himself, although that is the way that his enemies want it to seem.

Are you talking about Governor Neil Abercrombie? Because this is a direct quote from him.

Yes. Gov. Abercrombie announced that he could not find a birth certificate...and then he tried to fudge that fact with such statements are you are quoting here. Notice that he says Obama was born in Hawaii, but he doesn't make any reference to having found anything at all which would substantiate that claim. Yet that had been his task.
 
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The Democratic Governor of Hawaii took it upon himself to say he was going to get to the bottom of this matter by personally going over the records and finding the evidence; later he had to admit that he'd done that and could find no birth certificate for Obama.
By the way, want to add on - I looked into this a little deeper, and what you're saying here, is frankly, a little deceptive. Abercrombie never said he couldn't find a birth certificate - he said that he wasn't allowed to release it because of privacy issues and the law. That is a far cry from saying he couldn't find it.
 
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I agree. What I meant by "many people" was that Trump was not unique in raising this issue. It had already been raised by others. They were not by any means a majority of the population or members of the press or anything like that.

Having agreed with each other on this point, where does that leave us? Certainly it shows that this was not some special conspiracy theory hatched by Trump himself, although that is the way that his enemies want it to seem.



Yes. Gov. Abercrombie announced that he could not find a birth certificate...and then he tried to fudge that fact with such statements are you are quoting here. Notice that he says Obama was born in Hawaii, but he doesn't make any reference to having found anything at all which would substantiate that claim. Yet that had been his task.
You are delusional. He may not have been the first person to raise the question, but everyone who was around then knows plenty well that Trump was the primary driver of those rumors.
 
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I agree. What I meant by "many people" was that Trump was not unique in raising this issue.

I never said that he was, just that he was, perhaps, the loudest mouth leading that charge. He was the tip of that spear.

It had already been raised by others. They were not by any means a majority of the population or members of the press or anything like that.
Agreed, it was an issue raised by some. There are those who think Obama's wife is a man and that he's a closet Muslim, too. Obama doesn't have to dispel every stupid rumor about him, nor should he be expected to.

Having agreed with each other on this point, where does that leave us? Certainly it shows that this was not some special conspiracy theory hatched by Trump himself
I never said that Trump started, only that he was played a large part in fomenting it.


Yes. Gov. Abercrombie announced that he could not find a birth certificate...and then he tried to fudge that fact with such statements are you are quoting here. Notice that he says Obama was born in Hawaii, but he doesn't make any reference to having found anything at all which would substantiate that claim. Yet that had been his task.
I addressed this in another post.
 
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By the way, want to add on - I looked into this a little deeper, and what you're saying here, is frankly, a little deceptive. Abercrombie never said he couldn't find a birth certificate - he said that he wasn't allowed to release it because of privacy issues and the law. That is a far cry from saying he couldn't find it.

In his public announcement(s), he didn't even refer to anything about it, such as the look of the document, where it had been found, the officials who signed, etc. That should have told you all you need to know.
 
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Agreed, it was an issue raised by some. There are those who think Obama's wife is a man and that he's a closet Muslim, too. Obama doesn't have to dispel every stupid rumor about him, nor should he be expected to.

Well, none of those would have rendered him ineligible to run for president. Not being a "natural born" American would have, however.
 
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Why would you WANT to be in solidarity with a known criminal that defrauds people, engages in tax and bank fraud, steals from a children's cancer charity, and sexually abuses and rapes women and underage girls? Or the "conservatives" (read cultists) who enable that criminal.

I was always told to pick and choose my friends and associates very carefull because their character would rub off on me. Obviously, you have no problem wearing the stink that is Donald trump.
Or let us talk about the Central Park Five. Trump did pay for advertisements advocating the death penalty for young men who turned up to be innocent. As late as June 2019 Trump maintained their guilt and refused to admit being wrong, let alone apologize for what he did.
What Trump has said about the Central Park Five

 
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In his public announcement(s), he didn't even refer to anything about it, such as the look of the document, where it had been found, the officials who signed, etc. That should have told you all you need to know.

So when you say that he couldn't find anything, you're not going off anything he said, but what you imply from what he didn't say. Is that a fair assessment?

Regardless, the birth certificate was produced, and Trump kept pushing the theory, so it's a rather moot point and drifting off topic. My point still stands - Obama was at Trump's inauguration, despite the slander and lies Trump spent years fueling about him.
 
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Well, none of those would have rendered him ineligible to run for president. Not being a "natural born" American would have, however.
True, but anyone can make a claim. Just because the truth of that claim would make him ineligible doesn't mean he has to address it. How many people have to make a claim before he should dignify them with a response?

There are people making birther claims about Kamala, too. Should she produce her birth certificate, too, if she becomes President at some point?
 
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So when you say that he couldn't find anything, you're not going off anything he said, but what you imply from what he didn't say. Is that a fair assessment?

Regardless, the birth certificate was produced, and Trump kept pushing the theory, so it's a rather moot point and drifting off topic. My point still stands - Obama was at Trump's inauguration, despite the slander and lies Trump spent years fueling about him.
This is all just sour grapes. You lost, so now try to play the victim card. It's sad.
 
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