Pope backs same sex unions

zippy2006 said:

Try reading my post and then responding to it.

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Try reading my post and then responding to it.

RDKirk said:

The demand for career "cancellation" they have been making on tolerant-but-not-celebratory celebrities (such as Chris Pratt) and even on people within their own ranks (such as homosexuals who won't date transsexuals and lesbians who won't recognize transsexual women as women). When they kick someone like Germaine Greer out of the club, that speaks of a larger agenda.

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There are people supporting all kinds of agendas. The broad political support to accept gays is not associated with an extreme agenda.

hedrick said:

There are people supporting all kinds of agendas. The broad political support to accept gays is not associated with an extreme agenda.

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I don't know what you mean by "broad political support," but in a social situation when almost anyone can be blocked out of making a living or have a business destroyed because he's willing to co-exist but not "celebrate," "broad political support" (whatever you mean by that) is irrelevant.

pescador said:

Try reading my post and then responding to it.

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Why would I respond to a post that has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said?

pescador said:

Try reading my post and then responding to it.

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Try reading my post and then responding to it: How about loving all people, as God does? Judging non-believers is not the role of the church. God is the sole judge.

RDKirk said:

I don't know what you mean by "broad political support," but in a social situation when almost anyone can be blocked out of making a living or have a business destroyed because he's willing to co-exist but not "celebrate," "broad political support" (whatever you mean by that) is irrelevant.

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What I mean by broad public support is that 67% in the US support gay marriage. That includes a majority of Christians other than evangelicals, Mormons, and JWs. Even Republicans are now at 49%. U.S. Support for Same-Sex Marriage Matches Record High

I don't know what you mean by celebrate. If you mean selling cakes for weddings yo don't approve of, I guess. When you're in public commerce you're expected to serve all customers. If you think that means celebrating all of their views, then yes, those in public accommodations are required to celebrate everyone. But other than that somewhat odd definition, I don't know of anyone who wants to require Evangelicals to be joyful about gay marriage.

Part of it is about the sin of homosexuality which God hates. There's no question about that, but today the sinners are allowed same sex marriage in many places. Civil unions are something else and aren't widely accepted. I disagree with Francis on civil unions. Bishop Tobin is right, "The Church cannot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relationships.”

jamesbond007 said:

Part of it is about the sin of homosexuality which God hates. There's no question about that, but today the sinners are allowed same sex marriage in many places. Civil unions are something else and aren't widely accepted. I disagree with Francis on civil unions. Bishop Tobin is right, "The Church cannot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relationships.”

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There is no question among Evangelicals (well, 2/3 of evangelicals), Mormons and JWs.

lismore said:

Pope Francis backs same-sex civil unions

Pope Francis has given his most explicit support to same-sex civil unions in a move that is likely to further enrage his conservative opponents in the Catholic church.

His comments came in an interview in a documentary film, Francesco, which premiered at the Rome film festival on Wednesday.

Where do you think this is heading?

God Bless

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He certainly has wandered from the Bible he professes to believe in.

Brightmoon said:

. Replace gay with Black or other minorities, or Muslim or Jewish or female and you’ll see the problem.

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I have no problems with Black or Jewish people. Muslim depends on the category, Ahmadiyya is fine. They are peaceful. Sunni and Shia think it is acceptable to kill infidels - of which I am one. I'm not big on any group who thinks that murder is an acceptable, even mandatory method of enforcing their belief system. I would not want my kids taught by BLM members or neo Nazis. On that subject, Islam promotes Mohamed as the "ideal man". How come that bloodthirsty, murdering paedophile is an acceptable role model while Hitler (not a paedophile) is not?

Our Brothers? They may be the Popes brothers,
definitely not a brother of the Son.
John, 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat, 12:48 But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! “For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

Romans, 1:32
ASV
... who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practice them.

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RDKirk said:

I don't know what you mean by "broad political support," but in a social situation when almost anyone can be blocked out of making a living or have a business destroyed because he's willing to co-exist but not "celebrate," "broad political support" (whatever you mean by that) is irrelevant.

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the problem is they don’t coexist , they discriminate .

Brightmoon said:

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the problem is they don’t coexist , they discriminate .

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Who is the "they" you're talking about?

RDKirk said:

Who is the "they" you're talking about?

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. Some so called Christians, and fundamentalists of other religions who believe in gay hating as a religious doctrine. Who else?

It appears the Pope is in schism with the Church.

Jamdoc said:

You can be compassionate towards homosexual and call them to repent of that sin, I mean okay, if they still feel an attraction to the same sex, well, it's the homosexual acts that are the abominations, so gotta be celibate. But if you enter into a long term homosexual relationship? A civil union? That's not repenting of that sin, that's living in that sin.
I can accept a homosexual person, but I cannot be okay with their sin.

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I don't struggle with such inclinations but I do struggle with the fact that this particular sin effects people on such a personal level. The reason being is that the issue at hand is a life long partner.

Loneliness is a horrible thing, just ask Adam who needed Eve.

Silly Uncle Wayne said:

I think this is skating the edge of what is acceptable. Civil Unions are not the same as marriage, but on the other hand they are encouraging sinful behaviour and then drawing it into the church.

I had high hopes for Francis after the ultra conservatism of Benedict, but he seems to have taken Liberal Christianity to the extreme - things are OK if society says they are OK. In other words society dictates what the church finds acceptable, not the Bible.

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It is politics. It reminds me of how the Catholic church handled the Holocaust. Instead of publically coming out against the Holocaust as evil, which would have created a real headache for the Third Reich, they decided to remain silent. It was a calculated decision to save the Papacy and their earthly treasures and their very lives over becoming honored martyrs for God and a wonderful example to the world in regards to righteous courage.

Today, the Catholic church continues to do this as they moisten their collective finger and hold it up in the air to see what the Leftist political winds of the world are, so they now give sermons on the evils of building walls while remaining silent about the genocide of abortion.

Building walls is evil? Someone better tell Nehemiah.

I reckon some things never change.

WonbyOneanddone said:

I don't struggle with such inclinations but I do struggle with the fact that this particular sin effects people on such a personal level. The reason being is that the issue at hand is a life long partner.

Loneliness is a horrible thing, just ask Adam who needed Eve.

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Yeah, it is a horrible thing, but God never promised everyone gets their own Eve. Some of us are celibate and single for life and in heaven/new earth we are celibate and single forever. I'm straight and pretty much doomed to be single all my life, you don't think I'm terribly lonely? Life was never promised to be easy or fair or about you and your wants. Being lonely doesn't make sin okay.
You're gonna have to take that one up with your creator.

Jamdoc said:

Yeah, it is a horrible thing, but God never promised everyone gets their own Eve. Some of us are celibate and single for life and in heaven/new earth we are celibate and single forever. I'm straight and pretty much doomed to be single all my life, you don't think I'm terribly lonely? Life was never promised to be easy or fair or about you and your wants. Being lonely doesn't make sin okay.
You're gonna have to take that one up with your creator.

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I'm reminded of Jeremiah, he was commanded by God not to take a wife or have kids as well.

But then I think of Paul telling people it is better not to marry but to marry if their urges are such that they can't abstain.

I suppose one of my questions I have for God is, why is the sex drive so intense, especially for males?

I commend you on your choice though, that is, God coming first above all else.

Matthew 10:37

"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

That is the Way.

God bless

WonbyOneanddone said:

I'm reminded of Jeremiah, he was commanded by God not to take a wife or have kids as well.

But then I think of Paul telling people it is better not to marry but to marry if their urges are such that they can't abstain.

I suppose one of my questions I have for God is, why is the sex drive so intense, especially for males?

I commend you on your choice though, that is, God coming first above all else.

Matthew 10:37

"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

That is the Way.

God bless

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Oh it's not my choice, it's my circumstances. I wouldn't choose to be in my circumstances or single forever, I anguish over it to be honest.
But it is what it is and it doesn't make sin okay, for a single man it doesn't make prostitutes okay just because they're lonely
The sex drive is a legitimate God given desire, and it only has one God chosen and blessed outlet.