Why did Jesus say "in the beginning, God created them male and female"? Not Masc or Fem evolutions?

Shemjaza said:

Yeah. Nonsense. Feel free to actual provide evidence, but I won't hold my breath.

I didn't even mention God.

Evolution is supported by the evidence I listed... doesn't do anything to disprove God, which probably can't be done.

What it does do is show that your personal, favourite, personal, flawed, human interpretation of God and the Bible are not supported by evidence.

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I expect no other response from an atheist. All you have to hold onto is evolution.

Aussie Pete said:

I expect no other response from an atheist. All you have to hold onto is evolution.

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Atheists can believe in all sorts of things... the reason I accept evolution is the evidence.

Something Creationists keep claiming to have evidence against... but can never present.

It turns out that personal conviction alone isn't actually a sensible way to convince someone of a fact... especially when it goes against the evidence of the world around us.

timothyu said:

Or that God planted seeds and allowed them to grow according to conditions, much in the way our personalities are developed.

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Well, there's no evidence or need for that, but if it makes you happy...

AV1611VET said:

Then somewhere along the way, the world must have listened to Masters & Johnson too much.

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No; it was the other way around.

Aussie Pete said:

I expect no other response from an atheist. All you have to hold onto is evolution.

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On the contrary, most atheists I know couldn't care less about evolution.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

No; it was the other way around.

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Well we know what Satan's three-prong attack is:

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

AV1611VET said:

Well we know what Satan's three-prong attack is:

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

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Meh - there are a lot of ancient writings about a lot of ancient concerns. Whatever floats your ark.

Aussie Pete said:

Rubbish. Just old, tired, worn out, disproven, desperate arguments that attempt to disprove the existence of God. And fail. Dismally. Creation Evolution Headlines

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Most of the world seems to have missed this disproof of yours.

Also, which "God" does science disprove? There have been so many of them.

MIDutch said:

Most of the world seems to have missed this disproof of yours.

Also, which "God" does science disprove? There have been so many of them.

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Science has not disproved God. It's a sad fact that the human race is fundamentally spiritually blind. I see the stars, the creation, the amazing abilities of man and I see God. Others see nothing but a cosmic accident. Without God, life is just existence. As Thoreau said, a life of quiet desperation.

In spite of all the efforts of science, education, the brainwashing of nature documentaries etc, nearly half of Americans disbelieve evolution.
The Wizard of Ooze
https://crev.info/

Two sites for you to ignore in case your world view collapses under the weight of truth.

Aussie Pete said:

Science has not disproved God.

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Science doesn't even try. But it doesn't matter; this forum is not about the existence or non-existence of God.

Aussie Pete said:

Science has not disproved God.

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Science hasn't disproved Zeus, Thor, Vishnu or any other god. Science doesn't try to disprove gods, and makes no claim about them one way or the other. Christianity hasn't disproved them, either, although it makes some pretty big claims in that space. Don't you think you'd be better off getting your own house in order before attacking straw men? Your argument is...... not really an argument.

It's a sad fact that the human race is fundamentally spiritually blind. I see the stars, the creation, the amazing abilities of man and I see God. Others see nothing but a cosmic accident. Without God, life is just existence. As Thoreau said, a life of quiet desperation.

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And.......? That's another non-argument.

In spite of all the efforts of science, education, the brainwashing of nature documentaries etc, nearly half of Americans disbelieve evolution.

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You're Australian, so what relevance does US rejection of education have for you? What are the numbers for Australia?

Aussie Pete said:

Science has not disproved God. It's a sad fact that the human race is fundamentally spiritually blind. I see the stars, the creation, the amazing abilities of man and I see God. Others see nothing but a cosmic accident. Without God, life is just existence. As Thoreau said, a life of quiet desperation.

In spite of all the efforts of science, education, the brainwashing of nature documentaries etc, nearly half of Americans disbelieve evolution.
The Wizard of Ooze
https://crev.info/

Two sites for you to ignore in case your world view collapses under the weight of truth.

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Whole lot of words and a whole lot of articles that come down to:
"I can't imagine how evolution could possible work, it just feels wrong."
OR
"Oh yeah? Do you know for sure how life started! You vague hypothesis aren't very solid, so it must be completely impossible!"

But maybe I missed something vital. Do they have actual evidence?

You could always actually present some.

Aussie Pete said:

Without God, life is just existence.

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False. It is flowers in the spring and falling leaves in autumn. It is awe and wonder at the nature around you and also simple appreciation of small natural things like rain and lightning and thunder as you fall asleep. It is music and art. It is activities you love to do and chores you don't. It is trips to spectacular places and trips to the grocery store. It is work and play. It is fun and camaraderie. It is being with those you care about. It is about being there for those you love. It is friends and family. It is friendship and love.

I'm really sorry that you don't have these things in your life outside of your god.

Aussie Pete said:

In spite of all the efforts of science, education, the brainwashing of nature documentaries etc, nearly half of Americans disbelieve evolution.

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And despite the best efforts of Christian churches in Australia 69% of Australians accept the fact of evolution and accept the Theory of Evolution as the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life we see on planet Earth, past and present.

A Nation of Creationists | Australasian Science Magazine

MIDutch said:

False. It is flowers in the spring and falling leaves in autumn. It is awe and wonder at the nature around you and also simple appreciation of small natural things like rain and lightning and thunder as you fall asleep. It is music and art. It is activities you love to do and chores you don't. It is trips to spectacular places and trips to the grocery store. It is work and play. It is fun and camaraderie. It is being with those you care about. It is about being there for those you love. It is friends and family. It is friendship and love.

I'm really sorry that you don't have these things in your life outside of your god.
And despite the best efforts of Christian churches in Australia 69% of Australians accept the fact of evolution and accept the Theory of Evolution as the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life we see on planet Earth, past and present.

A Nation of Creationists | Australasian Science Magazine

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Australia is far from a Christian nation. Catholicism rejects God's word and accepts evolution, so many who call themselves Christians believe what Catholicism has to say. Creation is no longer taught in state schools. My generation was taught both and allowed to make up our own minds. I was not a Christian but evolution made zero sense to me as a teenager in high school.

There is no "fact" of evolution. As a theory, it does not hold water. It's the best that a godless scientific community can come up with.

Since you have no idea what it is like to be born again, your claim "false" has no basis. I know the difference. Everything that you talk about is destined to end one way or another. It's all temporary. I have eternal life that will never end. That is the difference between existence and life. I can understand why you value your lifestyle. It's all you've got. There is infinitely more. It's a great shame that you reject it.

Aussie Pete said:

Catholicism rejects God's word...

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Catholicism teaches that the Bible is the inspired word of God. They just don't let you interpret it for them.

Aussie Pete said:

Australia is far from a Christian nation. Catholicism rejects God's word and accepts evolution, so many who call themselves Christians believe what Catholicism has to say. Creation is no longer taught in state schools. My generation was taught both and allowed to make up our own minds. I was not a Christian but evolution made zero sense to me as a teenager in high school.

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I don't usually participate in these sort of discussions but are you claiming that 69% of Australians believe in evolution because Catholicism accepts evolution?
According to the 2016 census 22.6% of Australians identified themselves as Catholic so your Catholic bashing doesn't add up.

Now I realize Catholics have been blamed for many things ranging from starting the Great Fire of London to male pattern baldness but please don't blame Catholics for your lousy logic.

sjastro said:

I don't usually participate in these sort of discussions but are you claiming that 69% of Australians believe in evolution because Catholicism accepts evolution?
According to the 2016 census 22.6% of Australians identified themselves as Catholic so your Catholic bashing doesn't add up.

Now I realize Catholics have been blamed for many things ranging from starting the Great Fire of London to male pattern baldness but please don't blame Catholics for your lousy logic.

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OK, I will spell it out for you.
1. Australia is not a Christian country. The secular education system teaches evolution exclusively
2. Around 22% of Australians identify as Catholic. The Catholic organisations teaches evolution.
3. About the same number of people identify as no religion. In my experience, most of them believe evolution.

My point is that it is hardly surprising that 69% of Australians believe evolution is correct. It has nothing to do with Catholicism as such.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So the words of Jesus are pretty explicit: "in the beginning, God created them male and female".

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Looking at the context of Matthew 19:3-8 and Mark 10:2-9, I think that Jesus was arguing against divorce, and opposing the Mosaic ruling on this subject; he was not saying anything about evolution or the origin of the two sexes. Jesus quotes Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24 in support of his argument, and concludes by saying 'What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.' The two passages clearly deal with legal issues of marriage and divorce, not with matters of biology.

Speedwell said:

Catholicism teaches that the Bible is the inspired word of God. They just don't let you interpret it for them.

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So what part of "God created", "God made", "God formed" means "God threw an amoeba into a sludge pond and watched to see what would happen."? I'm glad that I have the Spirit of Truth dwelling me me to guide me into the Truth. I don't need Catholicism to run my Christian life.

Aussie Pete said:

So what part of "God created", "God made", "God formed" means "God threw an amoeba into a sludge pond and watched to see what would happen."?

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I don't think any part says that, nor am I aware of anyone who says that it does. Perhaps you should ask the person who made that claim.