The 70 Weeks of Daniel

Douggg · Oct 8, 2020

jgr said:
Daniel 9:26.

It does not say Jesus commanded those people. Jesus was cutoff and left this world forty years before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. The prince who shall come is after the messiah was cutoff.

jgr · Oct 8, 2020

Douggg said:
It does not say Jesus commanded those people. Jesus was cutoff and left this world forty years before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. The prince who shall come is after the messiah was cutoff.

Jesus was and is a Prince.

Jesus was alive in 70 AD.

mkgal1 · Oct 8, 2020

Douggg said:
It does not say Jesus commanded those people. Jesus was cutoff and left this world forty years before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. The prince who shall come is after the messiah was cutoff.

The point made in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple....after Jesus had made these (seemingly impossible and outlandish) declarations:

“Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” ~ Matthew 24:3

Matthew 21:42-44
Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’k?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l”

Matthew 22:7
The king was enraged, and he sent his troops to destroy those murderers and burn their city.

.....is that it confirmed that Jesus was the anticipated Messiah....the Son of David...the Son of Man that was prophesied:

Daniel 7:13-14
In my vision in the night I continued to watch, and I saw One like the Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. And He was given dominion, glory, and kingship, that the people of every nation and language should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and His kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

ETA:

Isaiah 10:23
For the Lord GOD of Hosts will carry out the destruction decreed upon the whole land.

iamlamad · Oct 8, 2020

jgr said:
Jesus was and is a Prince.

Jesus was alive in 70 AD.

Certainly, but was in heaven while Titus was destroying Jerusalem.

jgr · Oct 8, 2020

iamlamad said:
Certainly, but was in heaven while Titus was destroying Jerusalem.

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

mkgal1 · Oct 8, 2020

iamlamad said:
Certainly, but was in heaven while Titus was destroying Jerusalem.

The point of most of the teaching of the New Testament is that God (which includes Jesus) is not limited to one location. God is in heaven and on earth. God dwells in the tabernacles of His people. Jesus - as Creator - calmed the Sea of Galilee (because those were the "last days"):

Mark 4:39
Then Jesus got up and rebuked the wind and the sea. “Silence!” He commanded. “Be still!” And the wind died down, and it was perfectly calm.

mkgal1 · Oct 8, 2020

Douggg said:
Jesus was cutoff and left this world forty years before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed.

Certainly you agree that Jesus isn't still dead, correct?

The phrase "cut off" doesn't mean disconnected. It's a phrase used to represent the death penalty enacted based on the Old Covenant. I believe even Jonathan Cahn explains that (i only mention that because you seem to respect his teaching).

To say "Jesus left this world" seems to neglect to realize the diety of Jesus.

Pipiripi · Oct 8, 2020

iamlamad said:
You can be wrong, just as he was wrong.
Daniel made it clear, by writing in a GAP. He ended the 69 weeks of years, then told of the destruction of Jerusalem, then wrote of the 70th week, clearly puting the destruction of Jerusalem in a gap between the 69 weeks and the 70th. Then Jesus told of the event that will divide the week in our future: the abomination. Then John shows us the entire 70th week in Revelation as a future event.

That is three proof texts.

Why don't you accept that you are wrong? It is completely BIBLICAL my friend.

mkgal1 · Oct 8, 2020

Those videos of Johnathan Cahn's have me perplexed. He starts off so well with his interpretation of the years. I was curious to see if anywhere Cahn speaks of the actual date of the Cross (in that one short video he actually seems to be having a conversation with himself about how interesting the timing is of the Cross....but seems to realize it destroys his whole theological framework to admit that).

I poked around in a FB fan group of his and found this graphic. How anyone can agree to this kind of math is beyond my comprehension.

Christian Gedge · Oct 8, 2020

Its either a 'foot in both camps' or a 'bob on both horses.'

mkgal1 · Oct 8, 2020

Christian Gedge said:
Its either a 'foot in both camps' or a 'bob on both horses.'

And you know those horses aren't staying side-by-side and heading in the same direction for long. :sorry:

Douggg · Oct 8, 2020

mkgal1 said:
Certainly you agree that Jesus isn't still dead, correct?

The phrase "cut off" doesn't mean disconnected. It's a phrase used to represent the death penalty enacted based on the Old Covenant. I believe even Jonathan Cahn explains that (i only mention that because you seem to respect his teaching).

To say "Jesus left this world" seems to neglect to realize the diety of Jesus.

"cutoff" is the word used in the KJV in Daneil 9:26..

You have me mixed up with iamlamad concerning Johnathan Cahn. I don't listen to Johnathan Cahn.

Jesus ascended to heaven in Acts 1. And was not physically present here on earth to command a Roman army in 70 AD - and would be doing so, even if He on earth at that time.

Also the prophecy in Daniel 9:26 doesn't focus on the army. Doesn't even mention the army. But the people of the prince who shall come - thus identifying that prince as being a Roman, which Jesus was a Jew, not a Roman.

Jesus was the rightful King of Israel, King of the Jews.. Differently, the prince who shall come shall be connected to the Romans.

mkgal1 · Oct 8, 2020

Douggg said:
You have me mixed up with iamlamad concerning Johnathan Cahn. I don't listen to Johnathan Cahn.

AFAICT.....Cahn is about the only one I've seen that uses the word "shemitah".....so I'm wondering where that comes from. It's not biblical Hebrew.

jgr · Oct 8, 2020

Douggg said:
Jesus ascended to heaven in Acts 1. And was not physically present here on earth to command a Roman army in 70 AD - and would be doing so, even if He on earth at that time.

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You must believe that Jesus was either mistaken or lying, and incapable of commanding an army.

Douggg said:
Also the prophecy in Daniel 9:26 doesn't focus on the army. Doesn't even mention the army. But the people of the prince who shall come - thus identifying that prince as being a Roman, which Jesus was a Jew, not a Roman.

There is nothing identifying the prince as being a Roman.

There is only One Individual identified as the prince.

He is Messiah.

Douggg · Oct 9, 2020

mkgal1 said:
AFAICT.....Cahn is about the only one I've seen that uses the word "shemitah".....so I'm wondering where that comes from. It's not biblical Hebrew.

Strong's Hebrew: 8059. שְׁמִטָּה (shemittah) -- a letting drop, a (temporary) remitting

Douggg · Oct 9, 2020

jgr said:
Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You must believe that Jesus was either mistaken or lying, and incapable of commanding an army.

....or that your interpretation is completely wrong regarding Daniel 9:26-27.

There is nothing identifying the prince as being a Roman.

There is only One Individual identified as the prince.

He is Messiah.

It odes not say Roman in the text. It does not say Jesus in the text.

It does not say the prince is the messiah in the text.

It does not say what the covenant is in the text.

Everything is a matter of history and interpretation and future fulfillment.

BABerean2 · Oct 9, 2020

Douggg said:
Everything is a matter of history and interpretation and future fulfillment.

Only if you ignore Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18?

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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mkgal1 · Oct 9, 2020

mkgal1 said:
AFAICT.....Cahn is about the only one I've seen that uses the word "shemitah".....so I'm wondering where that comes from. It's not biblical Hebrew.

Douggg said:
Strong's Hebrew: 8059. שְׁמִטָּה (shemittah) -- a letting drop, a (temporary) remitting

That's not the original word used in Daniel, though (Cahn states it is used for the number "7"....but an Aramaic word was originally used in Daniel).

mkgal1 · Oct 9, 2020

Douggg said:
Jesus ascended to heaven in Acts 1. And was not physically present here on earth to command a Roman army in 70 AD - and would be doing so, even if He on earth at that time.

Jesus is God.

As JGR is pointing out - Jesus holds all authority over heaven and earth. He doesn't have to be enfleshed in order to send His armies. God used men all throughout the Old Testament history to judge.

Isaiah 13 is a good example that I can think of. This is how the destruction of Babylon is described (im not going to quote the entire chapter - it is linked). This is how our sovereign God uses humanity for His will:

Isaiah 13:6
Wail, for the day of the LORD is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty.

V. 17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, Who will not regard silver; And as for gold, they will not delight in it.

mkgal1 · Oct 9, 2020

Douggg said:
In Deuteronomy 31:9-13 the big speech required by Moses to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant is based on the shemitah cycle. It is called the year of release in Deuteronomy 31:10.

There is a parallel here. In Exodus the Israelites were physically released from oppression in Egypt....and 50 days later (after 7 weeks of 7 were completed)Moses gave them their Law. That was the physical.

The spiritual fulfillment of this is in the New Testament. The second exodus is the Israelites release from the death penalty they all deserved according to the Mosaic Covenant. That happened on the Cross (Passover). Fifty days later...at Pentecost (Festival of Weeks or Shavout)....the New Law was written on their hearts.

From Jews for Jesus
The name Pentecost comes from the Greek word for fifty, but the Jewish name is Shavuot (meaning weeks or sevens).
"From Passover to Pentecost - Jews for Jesus" From Passover to Pentecost

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