Christian Ethics - Freemasonry

Bible Highlighter said:

Check out this mini comic tract here at the following link:
Chick.com: That's Baphomet?

(Important Note: While I disagree with the tract's promotion that works (Sanctification) play no part in the salvation process after we are saved by God's grace, the tract does offer the truth about Masonry based on other info I have read when I first got saved back in 1992).

Only high level Masons know of the dark secrets of what is really going on.

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Please use critical thinking not the hearsay of the idol known as chick.

Albion said:

Easy to say, but we're still waiting for anything concrete and credible.







There are of course fundamentalist Christians and others who are told by their churches and pastors all the tall takes about Masonry that we've had recounted here by other people who heard the same gossip. That doesn't make the tales true, but the new churchgoer will probably believe them. And of course those same churches say similar stuff against other Christian denominations, too, don't they?

I've certainly heard about the tunnel that connects the Catholic rectory with the Catholic convent so that both priests and sisters can have orgies without being seen. And then the lye pits into which the unwanted babies are thrown.

I have studied the "research" done by various churches which have passed some resolution against Masonry and you would be amazed at what nonsense that they simply heard someone say or that was in some book written by an anti-Mason was taken by those church committees as definitive.

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Sirach 5:14
Don't get a reputation for being a gossip, and don't tell tales that will hurt people. Just as robbers will suffer disgrace, so liars will suffer severe condemnation.

I am apologizing here to anyone I offended by pointing out that Chick is an idol because he is a very unreliable source.

I also, apologize to anyone I offended in anyway.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

DeMolay International is a masonic youth group named after Jacques de Molay.


• Jacques de Molay - Grand Master of The Knights Templar who was put to death in 1314 A.D.

Jacques de Molay - Wikipedia

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was that stone masons?

Bible Highlighter said:

People can say a similar thing for those who follow the Buddah religion. Just research stories on ex Masons and you will see why FreeMasonry should be avoided at all costs if one is a Christian.

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How do you know they are former masons?
The Legend(s) of John Todd
Chick and false teachers, not really his fault?
Illuminati Defector Tells All!

Albion said:

That person did not pass on the information that you are now trying to suggest answers everything. This was made clear in the first post that referred to the father.

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We were never told why the person bowed out, he may have witnessed a fellow mason doing something wrong that would have nothing to do with freemason group.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

The main thing that I don't like about secret societies is that they can't just be straightforward, direct, open and honest.

Everything has to be coded, veiled, subliminal, mysterious and secretive instead of just being plain.


That's why I like this quote from this book about Saint Papa-Nicholas Planas called "Papa-Nicholas Planas : The Simple Shepherd of the Simple Sheep " :

From the Forward on page xxii :

PAPA-NICHOLAS PLANAS: The Simple Shepherd of Simple Sheep

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Since, we know they exist, it is not secret society. It is a private society that may or may not invite non-members to visit uninvited.

JacksBratt said:

I asked if you were a high ranking Free Mason. This guy was..

Confessions of a Former Freemason Officer, Converted to Catholicism

In his youth, Serge Abad Gallardo joined Freemasonry with the conviction he could contribute to make the world a better place. He turned 24 years later to Christ, convinced he had been serving the wrong cause and, above all, the wrong Master.

I'm not a free mason.. But.. my dad was. I remember him going to meetings. He had a little book to keep notes in... He even had a ring that he would give to my mother to wear on a chain when she traveled.

When people saw the ring ... my mom got special treatment.. for sure...

Anyway, when I was still young.. my father, a devote Christian, came home from a lodge meeting, told my mother that he had learned some things that did not sit well with him as a Christian...

He never went back and would not say what it was that he learned.. Just that he could, as a Christian, no longer be involved.

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Australian Federation - Freemasonry for Men & Women sounds like grasping at straws.

Albion said:

To the extent that Masonry IS at all secretive, it isn't any more secretive than other organizations that do not publicize every last thing that is said, what color the walls are, the phone numbers of the members, or the like.

Your banker doesn't publish the minutes of the board meetings for all the people in town to read. It was only recently that city commissions had to put all discussions on the record. You keep your key information off of Facebook, don't you? Why is that? Do you expect to read the transcript of all that goes on in the Oval Office? Why not? You get the point.

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One of my former churches in another city does not post their members directory on the internet, does that make them a secret society? or a church protecting their members?

Bible Highlighter said:

Basically folks who are pro FreeMasonry are basically saying that high degree ex Masons are essentially lying. Yet, they are all saying the same thing. Lower level Masonry may seem harmless but it is still connected to the larger animal. I doubt what I will say will be considered as evidence for anyone to leave FreeMasonry or to stop endorsing them, but a simple Google search on the darkside of FreeMasonry should send shivers down people's spines. But people get caught up in stuff and do not want to see how things really are because they made friends and they see what they are doing as harmless (When it is not). Show me in the Bible a defense for the practices of FreeMasonry. What you will find that there are things in FreeMasonry that contradict the Bible. Oath taking in a religious context is clearly something Jesus is not in favor for at the Sermon on the Mount. Some form of Universalism or acceptance of a broader road of different religions is also pushed in FreeMasonry.

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When one gives testimony one must present collaborate evidence otherwise it is just hearsay. If I say, I put on a cape and flew to the moon, would you believe me? neither would I.

The only collaborate evidence would be primary sources that are recognized by group as authoritative for all members.

GirdYourLoins said:

I have worked or 2 freemasons. Both attacked me as soon as I said I was a Christian and did massive harm to my career I have never recovered from and God has never restored. One the day before he found out was nice and from literally the next day made my life hell. Beware of them.

And an old pastor of mine became friends with some high ranking free masons. Within a couple of years he was sacked from his job as a pastor after his lifestyle became more and more unchristian.

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It is our flesh that works against a godly lifestyle not a lodge, church, ball park or whatever.
At best you may have a correlation, not a cause.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

This may be of interest...

Confessions of a Former Freemason Officer, Converted to Catholicism

Sorry I didn't realise this was already posted...

Daniel Marsh said:

It is our flesh that works against a godly lifestyle not a lodge, church, ball park or whatever.
At best you may have a correlation, not a cause.

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Are you suggesting that all opposition to God and His will comes solely from a human source?

No spiritual entity seeking who he can devour ?

No spiritual entity seeking to sift Peter like wheat ?

No spiritual entity seeking permission to destroy Job ?

Daniel Marsh said:

What serious evidence outside that book that proves that claim?

"About 13 months later, a badly decomposed body turned up at the point where Oak Orchard Creek, just east of the Niagara River, flows into Lake Ontario. Lucinda Morgan identified it as her husband's body; so did Batavia Editor Miller and Thurlow Weed, editor of an anti-Masonic newspaper, The Rochester Telegraph, and a leader of the state's anti-Masonic movement." The Morgan Affair p.3

Looking at the story about Captain Morgan who really was not a Captain. It looks more like a suicide than a murder.

It turns out that the body that was found was not Morgan The Morgan Affair

"Did William Morgan choose the easier way, disappear with five hundred dollars from a dangerous situation, eliminating from his responsibilities a wife and family suddenly burdensome, and, in a new freedom, ship on a vessel from Montreal and out into the world, there to come to an unknown end?" A Page about Freemasonry: The Morgan Affair

William Morgan (anti-Mason) - Wikipedia

From the above it is unproven that Morgan was murdered, only that he disappeared.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/69f6/befe3acdf0f6693c0553b0a39e06bbb49b9e.pdf

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45,000 of the 50,000 masons who renounced their Membership in the Northeast and the ex leaders formed committees In a number of cities to expose and record everything there is to know about Masonry. This was during the height of the second great awakening and the records are available to the public.

You guys can pigeon hole some ex mason who on his own writes an expose’. But there has never been anything like that happen and it’s not capable of being disputed. But you do anyway and painstakingly work at writing revised histories . Which shows the true nature of freemasonry.

Albion said:

IF what you told us is true, that person is one in a thousand. And his understanding of Pike is wrong in any case.

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Pike is a big guy in the Scottish Rite only. Therefore the other "regular Masons" (York Rite) reject him outright.

But any organization that admits people of different religions is probably going to get some people who have some strange and atypical ideas.

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I believe you miss the point. The Lodge holds that ALL religions are equally correct ways to god.

Why is it that only Masonry gets blamed when this happens, and never any other association or club or society?? It's because the critics of Masonry, having no personal or first-hand knowledge are virtually required to make something of the stray member if he encounters one such...and talk as though that's the way the whole organization is.

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You use a wide paint brush there, Albion. Other fraternal organizations have their different rites

Elks: EXALTED RULER: The Chaplain will lead us in prayer. CHAPLAIN: (from his/her station without advancing to the altar) Our Father who art in heaven, direct us in all our deliberations with Thy most gracious favor, and further us with Thy continual help, that in all our works begun, continued and ended in Thee, we may glorify Thy holy name. Enlighten our minds more and more with the principles of our Order — Charity, Justice, Brotherly Love and Fidelity. Let the light of Thy countenance shine upon us even as the light of this Star. Increase in us true benevolence, nourish us with all goodness, keep us faithful to our obligation, and lead us and all Elks beside the still waters of peace, for Thine is the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen. ALL: Amen. EXALTED RULER: Please salute our Flag and recite with me the Pledge of Allegiance. (The members give the civilian salute) ALL: I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all. (After the Pledge of Allegiance, the members shall lower the civilian salute) EXALTED RULER: I now declare this Lodge meeting regularly opened.

from https://www.elks.org/grandlodge/files/ritualChanges2012-2013.pdf

MOOSE
After this Nine O’Clock Ceremony, which is observed by all Moose, the Junior Governor addresses the new members. The Prelate then delivers the 10 “Thou Shalts” which begin: ‘Thou shalt believe in God, and worship Him as they conscience dictates. Thou shalt be tolerant to let others worship each in his own way.” The Governor now shakes hands with each of the new members, and ‘Blest Be the Tie That Binds” is sung. Yet another official—the Orator—says his piece, and the Governor then administers the Obligation.

This begins:
I, [Name], in the presence of Almighty God and those here assembled, do most solemnly promise that I will obey the Laws of the Supreme Lodge of the World —Loyal Order of Moose, and of the Lodge of which I am a member as well as all orders of the Supreme Council or of the executive officers of the Supreme Lodge or of the officers of the Lodge of which I am a member.

It continues with pledges to support Mooseheart, to spurn unauthorized Moose lodges, to try to keep disputes within the Loyal Order of Moose, and of course to help their brethren. The Obligation is followed by a prayer offered at the altar by the Prelate, after which all sing ‘Friendship We Now Extend,” and the Governor doses by exhorting the newcomers to be loyal members. The whole ritual takes about three-quarters of an hour.

from Moose (Loyal Order of Moose) – Occult World

Personally, I've never met such a member like that one, and I have met some of the most admirable and dedicated Christian men in Masonry that I've ever encountered anywhere.

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I am not questioning your personal experience, but on my monitor the "animal lodges" each profess to have a faith in an amorphous "god" which by definition, makes them a sort of a religion