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Daniel Martinovich

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Here is part of the history recorded in Finny’s online book linked in my other comments.

In consequence of the publication of Morgan's book, and the revelations that were made in regard to the kidnapping and murdering of Mr. Morgan, great numbers of Masons were led to consider the subject more fully than they had done; and the conscientious among them almost universally renounced Masonry altogether. I believe that about two thousand lodges, as a consequence of these revelations, were suspended.

The ex-president of a Western college, who is himself a Freemason, has recently published some very important information on the subject, though he justifies Masonry. He says that, out of a little more than fifty thousand Masons in the United States at that time, forty-five thousand turned their backs upon the lodge to enter the lodge no more. Conventions were called of Masons that were disposed to renounce it. One was held at Leroy, another at Philadelphia, and others at other places, I do not now remember where. The men composing these conventions made public confession of their relation to the institution, and publicly renounced it. At one of these large conventions they appointed a committee to superintend the publication of Masonry in all its degrees. This committee was composed of men of first-rate character, and men quite generally known to the public. Elder Bernard, a Baptist elder in good standing, was one of this committee; and he, with the assistance of his brethren who had been appointed to this work, obtained an accurate version of some forty-eight degrees. He published also the proceedings of those conventions, and much concerning the efforts that were made by the courts to search the matter to the bottom, and also several speeches that were made by prominent men in the State of New York. This work was entitled "Light on Masonry." In this work any person who is disposed may get a very correct view of what Freemasonry really is. This and sundry other reliable works on Freemasonry may be had at Godrich's, and Fitch & Fairchild's bookstores, in Oberlin. In saying this, it is proper to add that I have no direct or indirect pecuniary interest in the sale of those or of any book on Freemasonry whatever, nor shall I have in the sale of this which I am now preparing for the press. Freemasons shall not with truth accuse me of self-interest in exposing their institution.

Before the publication of "Bernard's Light on Masonry," great pains were taken to secure the most accurate knowledge of the degrees published by the committee, as the reader of that work will see, if he reads the book through. An account of all these matters will be found in "Light on Masonry," to which I have referred. In the Northern or non-slaveholding States Masonry was almost universally renounced at that time. But it was found that it had taken so deep a root that in all New England there was scarcely a newspaper in which the death of William Morgan, and the circumstances connected therewith, could be published. This was so generally true throughout all the North that newspapers had to be everywhere established for the purpose of making the disclosures that were necessary in regard to its true character and tendency. The same game is being played over again at the present day. The "Cynosure," the new anti-masonic paper published at Chicago, is constantly intercepted on its way to subscribers. Four of its first six numbers failed to reach me, and now in December, 1868, I have received no number later than the sixth. The editor informs me that the numbers are constantly intercepted. The public will be forced to learn what a lawless and hideous institution Freemasonry is. But at present I refrain from saying more on this point.

It was found that Masonry so completely baffled the courts of law, and obstructed the course of justice, that it was forced into politics; and for a time the anti-masonic sentiment of the Northern States carried all before it. Almost all Masons became ashamed of it, felt themselves disgraced by having any connection with it, and publicly renounced it. If they did not publish any renunciation, they suspended their lodges, had no more to do with it, and did not pretend to deny that Masonry had been published.

Now these facts were so notorious, so universally known and confessed, that those of us who were acquainted with them at the time had no idea that Masonry would have the impudence ever again to claim any public respect. I should just as soon expect slavery to be re-established in this country, and become more popular than ever before--to take possession of the Government and of all the civil offices, and to grow bold, impudent, and defiant--as I should have expected that Masonry would achieve what it has. When the subject of Freemasonry was first forced upon our churches in Oberlin, for discussion and action, I can not express the astonishment, grief and indignation that I felt on hearing professed Christian Freemasons deny either expressly or by irresistible implication that Morgan and others had truly revealed the secrets of Freemasonry. But a few years ago such denial would have ruined the character of any intelligent man, not to say of a professed Christian.

But I must say, also, that Masonry itself has its literature. Many bombastic and spread-eagle books have been published in its favor. They never attempt to justify it as it is revealed in "Light on Masonry," nor reply by argument to the attacks that have been so successfully made upon it; neither have they pretended to reveal its secret. But they have eulogized it in a manner that is utterly nauseating to those that understand what it really is. But these books have been circulated among the young, and have no doubt led thousands and scores of thousands of young men into the Masonic ranks, who, but for these miserable productions, would never have thought of taking such a step.
 
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CBC,

I think the greater question worth considering is Freemasonry’s appeal. In other words, why are you drawn to it? How would masonry benefit you personally and in your Christian walk?

While I don’t need the answers you shouldn’t limit yourself with pat replies. Consider the fleshly reasons why membership might appeal and what you stand to gain by joining.

For example, a gentleman may consider joining a social club to develop connections with other men. But he may be intrigued by specific groups whose populace consists of wealthy individuals or those with great influence. Is his desire wholly based on friendship or fostering connections from a specific echelon?

To discern our motives we must be willing to acknowledge our weaknesses. No one has yielded every aspect of themselves to the Lord. He’s in the driver’s seat in some places and we have the reins in others.

Thus, the gentleman susceptible to greed, power and success has a greater likelihood of seeking companionship in venues where others share his aims. Whereas, someone lacking the same may fellowship in a different environment. They have no desire to rub shoulders with important people.

Part of the allure of joining social groups is being in the company of likeminded persons. And you’re willing to pay for the privilege of doing so. Whether we’re talking private groups, country clubs, etc. Its all the same.

In this instance, faith isn’t the common denominator. The controversy and secrecy reiterate that fact. The men and women drawn to freemasonry are united by a different glue. Their common denominator is something else.

The bible tells us, “Do two walk together, unless they have agreed to meet?“ They’re on the same page. And that’s your answer. They will never reveal the glue that unites them as one. Many have sought the truth and come up short. Their allegiance is foremost.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

Bella, I think my Dad got into it because he had serious encounters with hypocrisy in the church and was looking for fellowship elsewhere. He was also very critical of Catholicism which was my mums background before she married. So his motive was companionship and allegiance to what seemed to be a good cause...
 
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Bella, I think my Dad got into it because he had serious encounters with hypocrisy in the church and was looking for fellowship elsewhere. He was also very critical of Catholicism which was my mums background before she married. So his motive was companionship and allegiance to what seemed to be a good cause...

Carl,

I’m sorry to hear of the unpleasant experiences he underwent. Our motivations for camaraderie differ. But they’re always personal. Sometimes the desire to be understood may lead us to seek fellowship elsewhere. Oftentimes the source is secular.

We should be able to find others who share our passions in the body of Christ. But we denounce interests that aren’t religious or approved by the populace. The danger of doing so is obvious.

The bible says, “And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.”

It wasn’t limited to ‘holy’ things. When you add to the word you place a yoke on our shoulders. Christ freed us from the albatross.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
 
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Can you be a Christian and a Freemason?

I once went to church and the speaker said "stay away from Freemasonry. If you're a Freemason - get out now". He then told a story of a friend of a friend who went all the way to the top of Freemasonry and at the end was asked to bow down and worship a picture of Satan.

I asked around with a lot of Christian's. They all believed it was Satanic, but when pressed, didn't provide any proof. The evidence they provided (and accepted themselves) was poor - witness story, christian, of a friend of a friend who they didn't know and who I couldn't trace. I think this is close to gossip - when you spread and accept negative things about people, through the grapevine.

I asked a Freemason what he did and what they do. He said you basically just have dinner, socialise with other men. The dinner - you pay for it and the procedes go to charity.

I researched a little for the Freemason point of view - It sounded like a bunch of guys who want to get together, hang out, be better people, didn't want to fight over their differences but rather wanted to come together over what they have in common - and just be a brotherhood. It sounded a little cheesy - theatrics designed to teach lessons to be better people. It sounded like a game with levels. That you could move up in levels once you learned and performed the required stuff etc etc.
This is a good video if you have a moment to watch.
 
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This is a good video if you have a moment to watch.

This guy is still apart of it because he makes "Hand Signs" and "Other Hidden Signs" with his hands like toughing his nose, covering his mouth Etc.

They have their own secret coded language that is kind of like sign language that they use to communicate with other masons with and if you know what to look for you can tell right away.

He makes about 3-4 secret signs in the first 30 seconds of that video.

• Touches his nose @ :14
• Covers his mouth @ :18

Etc.

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I do have to ask one thing - if the mannerisms are "secret," how do we know that they are the mannerisms?

I think they have some of them printed in their encyclopedias and books :



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Some of the double headed eagle symbolism kind of bugs me within Orthodoxy and the whole "Byzantine Empire" stuff because some of the signs and symbols have nothing to do with Christianity in my opinion :


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Can you be a Christian and a Freemason?

I once went to church and the speaker said "stay away from Freemasonry. If you're a Freemason - get out now". He then told a story of a friend of a friend who went all the way to the top of Freemasonry and at the end was asked to bow down and worship a picture of Satan.

I asked around with a lot of Christian's. They all believed it was Satanic, but when pressed, didn't provide any proof. The evidence they provided (and accepted themselves) was poor - witness story, christian, of a friend of a friend who they didn't know and who I couldn't trace. I think this is close to gossip - when you spread and accept negative things about people, through the grapevine.

I asked a Freemason what he did and what they do. He said you basically just have dinner, socialise with other men. The dinner - you pay for it and the procedes go to charity.

I researched a little for the Freemason point of view - It sounded like a bunch of guys who want to get together, hang out, be better people, didn't want to fight over their differences but rather wanted to come together over what they have in common - and just be a brotherhood. It sounded a little cheesy - theatrics designed to teach lessons to be better people. It sounded like a game with levels. That you could move up in levels once you learned and performed the required stuff etc etc.

Short answer. No. I don't believe this can be the case.
Swearing of oaths is done away with in the New Covenant. Yet, swearing oaths is a part of FreeMasonry. It admits men of every creed and accepts Universalism. It's roots and origins is pagan.
 
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They just implemented a new extension of their organisation. Its called:

"Paidformasonry" :p

Yeah, I've always found paid masons do better work than the free ones. :D
 
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Swearing of oaths is done away with in the New Covenant.
Yikes! Are you married? Pretty sure when I was married I swore an oath til death due us part. Have you ever been a witness in a trial? If not, would you refuse to take an oath to tell the truth? If you were elected President, would you refuse to take the oath of office? I guess you're very much against the Boy Scouts too.

It admits men of every creed and accepts Universalism.
Well, you're wrong about accepting men of "every" creed as you do need to acknowledge the existence of a higher power. So all the people who don't acknowledge a higher power would not become Masons.

And the thing about acknowledging a higher power - Freemasons are not looking to take the place of Christianity. They aren't presenting a religion to its members and suggesting that they will somehow earn eternal reward by being Masons. Freemasonry is not a religion, and therefore it is not necessarily at odds with Christianity.

It's roots and origins is pagan.
Prove this?
 
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There was a Masonic Bible that my grandpa had. It had a picture of baphomet on the cover of the Bible. This Bible sat on a pedestal in 3 door and open closet hallway on the second floor. Sometimes one of my family members would come in the middle of the night and lay on the floor next to where I slept on this second floor. I told him to leave the bathroom door open so as to bring light into the hallway because I did not want to look at a pitch black just outside my door in the middle of the night. For this family member would leave the door open whenever they came in to sleep. Then, in the middle of the night, I heard a growling noise outside my door in the pitch blackness. I asked my family member who was sleeping on the floor if they also heard this noise. He was too tired to respond correctly. So I got up and shut the door.

The point here is that I believe that there were was demonic activity in that home because of that pagan image on the cover of that Bible. It could also be that he had other Masonic relics that are Satanic that attracts demonic activity, as well.
 
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Can you be a Christian and a Freemason?

I once went to church and the speaker said "stay away from Freemasonry. If you're a Freemason - get out now". He then told a story of a friend of a friend who went all the way to the top of Freemasonry and at the end was asked to bow down and worship a picture of Satan.

I asked around with a lot of Christian's. They all believed it was Satanic, but when pressed, didn't provide any proof. The evidence they provided (and accepted themselves) was poor - witness story, christian, of a friend of a friend who they didn't know and who I couldn't trace. I think this is close to gossip - when you spread and accept negative things about people, through the grapevine.

I asked a Freemason what he did and what they do. He said you basically just have dinner, socialise with other men. The dinner - you pay for it and the procedes go to charity.

I researched a little for the Freemason point of view - It sounded like a bunch of guys who want to get together, hang out, be better people, didn't want to fight over their differences but rather wanted to come together over what they have in common - and just be a brotherhood. It sounded a little cheesy - theatrics designed to teach lessons to be better people. It sounded like a game with levels. That you could move up in levels once you learned and performed the required stuff etc etc.
Highly unlikely.
 
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My father was a Mason. If it had been Satanic he wouldn't have had anything to do with the Masons.

I was asked if I wanted to join but I have neither the time to do so, nor do I have any desire to do so.

I'm curious--How many who have posted anti-Masonic comments here would allow their children to be treated at on of the Shriner's Hospitals for Children? They provide care for children with orthopaedic conditions, burns, spinal cord injuries, and cleft lip and palate regardless of the patients' ability to pay.
 
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Yikes! Are you married? Pretty sure when I was married I swore an oath til death due us part.

Obviously we know that the Bible condones marriage. This means that sometimes there are exceptions to the rule on things mentioned in Scripture. So Jesus was not referring to marriage oath or vow when He said, “But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:” (Matthew 5:34).

To swear means to make an oath. So when Jesus says, “Swear not at all” He is saying make no oaths at all. But seeing Jesus approves of marriage, this means that this an exception to the rule.

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Have you ever been a witness in a trial?

While I do share some tidbits of info about my walk with God, etc.; I strive not to share too much information about my personal life on the internet. But there are people who are almost at the midpoint of their life and they have not gone to court to be a witness to a trial.

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If you were elected President, would you refuse to take the oath of office? I guess you're very much against the Boy Scouts too.

I prefer to follow Jesus and not to become president or to rejoin the boy scouts.

Well, you're wrong about accepting men of "every" creed as you do need to acknowledge the existence of a higher power. So all the people who don't acknowledge a higher power would not become Masons.

Look buddy (Note: I say this in a loving tone). Masonry is evil. Okay. Satanists can join FreeMasonry and have even sat on meetings. I knew this from reading Christian books when I first came to the faith. But you can simply just do a Google search and learn about the same info. They use occult symbols and are accepting of anyone who believes in supreme being. But not all people believe in the same supreme being. Not every person believes in the same God.

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And the thing about acknowledging a higher power - Freemasons are not looking to take the place of Christianity. They aren't presenting a religion to its members and suggesting that they will somehow earn eternal reward by being Masons. Freemasonry is not a religion, and therefore it is not necessarily at odds with Christianity.

Prove this?

It's a universal club with secrets and occult symbols. It's not good. Try reading the stories of ex FreeMasons.
 
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While I loved my grandparents because they were kind and good to me in my childhood years, my grandpa was FreeMason and a liberal Christian. For when I accepted Jesus as my Savior, and I encouraged my grandparents to do the same (or if they accepted Christ), they did not tell me they were happy for me, but they seemed resistant to the idea. The Bible talks about not being unevenly yoked and having fellowship with unbelievers. A person needs to accept Jesus to be initially saved. They have to had a transformation by the Lord and being broken before Him. I don't see this as being a tenet of FreeMasonry. Try preaching Jesus in the lodge and see where that gets you.
 
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