Christian Ethics - Freemasonry

Are you aware of the initiations and the oaths made?

My mother and I found ourselves in an intense spiritual battle over his involvement in the Masons.

I am so relieved to be completely disassociated from it having burned his regalia before God after his passing.

Carl Emerson said:

Are you aware of the initiations and the oaths made?

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Sure, but as I have pointed out, there are a lot of Masonic organizations and most Master Masons, i.e. full Masons, never join any of them. But did your dad? It could be so because you said something about him moving up the ranks or something similar to that.

I am so relieved to be completely disassociated from it having burned his regalia before God after his passing.

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What a shame. A charitable thing you might have done, which many people do, was to donate them to the appropriate Masonic organization so that somebody else would be spared the cost of paying for new ones.

Confused-by-christianity said:

Thanks for your input.

Do you have details on the wall your dad hit?

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If I may interject. The wall is deception. They are not what they seem to be. The higher you get the more secretive it becomes and no one can speak of it. So best to know what Jesus Christ of Nazareth warned us about, DECEPTION. Be blessed.

Confused-by-christianity said:

Can you be a Christian and a Freemason?

I once went to church and the speaker said "stay away from Freemasonry. If you're a Freemason - get out now". He then told a story of a friend of a friend who went all the way to the top of Freemasonry and at the end was asked to bow down and worship a picture of Satan.

I asked around with a lot of Christian's. They all believed it was Satanic, but when pressed, didn't provide any proof. The evidence they provided (and accepted themselves) was poor - witness story, christian, of a friend of a friend who they didn't know and who I couldn't trace. I think this is close to gossip - when you spread and accept negative things about people, through the grapevine.

I asked a Freemason what he did and what they do. He said you basically just have dinner, socialise with other men. The dinner - you pay for it and the procedes go to charity.

I researched a little for the Freemason point of view - It sounded like a bunch of guys who want to get together, hang out, be better people, didn't want to fight over their differences but rather wanted to come together over what they have in common - and just be a brotherhood. It sounded a little cheesy - theatrics designed to teach lessons to be better people. It sounded like a game with levels. That you could move up in levels once you learned and performed the required stuff etc etc.

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No, secret societies is of the devil. The Lord done things openly so any Christian who chooses the fellowship of those who do things in the dark cannot be his.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
[14]Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
[15]And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
[16]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[17]Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
[18]And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Are you a Freemason, Albion?

Maria Billingsley said:

If I may interject. The wall is deception. They are not what they seem to be. The higher you get the more secretive it becomes and no one can speak of it..

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And you know this to be so...how?

Confused-by-christianity said:

Can you be a Christian and a Freemason?

I once went to church and the speaker said "stay away from Freemasonry. If you're a Freemason - get out now". He then told a story of a friend of a friend who went all the way to the top of Freemasonry and at the end was asked to bow down and worship a picture of Satan.

I asked around with a lot of Christian's. They all believed it was Satanic, but when pressed, didn't provide any proof. The evidence they provided (and accepted themselves) was poor - witness story, christian, of a friend of a friend who they didn't know and who I couldn't trace. I think this is close to gossip - when you spread and accept negative things about people, through the grapevine.

I asked a Freemason what he did and what they do. He said you basically just have dinner, socialise with other men. The dinner - you pay for it and the procedes go to charity.

I researched a little for the Freemason point of view - It sounded like a bunch of guys who want to get together, hang out, be better people, didn't want to fight over their differences but rather wanted to come together over what they have in common - and just be a brotherhood. It sounded a little cheesy - theatrics designed to teach lessons to be better people. It sounded like a game with levels. That you could move up in levels once you learned and performed the required stuff etc etc.

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I’m going to say some things about Freemasonry that are going to offend everyone. First off it’s not a cult. The rites and rituals, modes of “worship” that are along the lines of a college frat house are designed to hide something far more sinister than a cult. I have glanced through a number of Christian authors books onthe subject. To me they looked absolutely worthless. Of no value
In understanding Masonry and actually deceptive as far as it’s true danger. Because they all approach it as some kind of cult which it is not.

So what is it? It is an organized crime syndicate. The ultimate good old boys club. Designed to give its members unjust and unfair advantages over their neighbors but more than that. To protect them from the justice system. Including the crime of 1st degree murder and treason. If a judge is a Mason and the perp who committed murder is also. (And high in the Masonry food chain.) The judge is obligated to make sure he is not convicted of murder or any lessor crime.

The spooky and secretive rites, rituals and oaths are designed to hide all this. To make it seem like some kind of mysterious religious practice when it’s not.

I’m going to include a link to the definitive book on Freemasonry written by the leading figure of America’s 2nd Great Awakening.
Charles Finney. Let me share how I found out about this book and read it. This was before the internet. I have read all of Charles Finney works. I somehow heard of this book and looked for it in print. Not available anywhere. Went to a rare book dealer in Ventura County. Asked him if he had heard of this book and where I might find it. He said rare book dealers absolutely know about this book and you can’t find it. Why? Because Freemasons have systematically hunted down copies and destroyed them. Then they made their own forgeries of the book and wrote a bunch of ridiculous claims and conspiracies in it to pass those copies off as Finney’s book and throw people off the trail.

We eventually found a copy in the rare book vault of the Los Angeles county Library System. We borrowed that and read it. Stranger than fiction. The rare book vault building had been set on fire a few months earlier. The book survived but was water and smoke stained.

Since then it has come out in print and is available for free on this website below. I can tell you this. If you read it. You’ll realize that there are many strange things and court rulings that make no sense.... but could be attributed to Masons in our government.
THE CHARACTER, CLAIMS AND PRACTICAL WORKINGS OF FREEMASONRY 1869 By Rev. C. G. FINNEY

Daniel Martinovich said:

I’m going to say some things about Freemasonry that are going to offend everyone. First off it’s not a cult. The rites and rituals, modes of “worship” that are along the lines of a college frat house are designed to hide something far more sinister than a cult. I have glanced through a number of Christian authors books onthe subject. To me they looked absolutely worthless. Of no value
In understanding Masonry and actually deceptive as far as it’s true danger. Because they all approach it as some kind of cult which it is not.

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There's no danger, but you are right that it is almost shocking how a host of Christian writers on the subject of Masonry produce so little of value.

It's as though they cruised a few scandal-sheet websites and then regurgitated it without bothering to look further into the subject.

And I would include the findings of the committees of various Christian denominations that were set up to decide whether or not members should be Masons.

So what is it? It is an organized crime syndicate. The ultimate good old boys club. Designed to give its members unjust and unfair advantages over their neighbors but more than that.

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LOL. That was the standard objection from critics about eighty years ago or so. And I do think it is true that Masons once were the civic leaders in most cities, people therefore who were in a position to hand out favors, like favoring fellow lodge members when it came to hiring or recommendations. That sort of thing.

No more. That sort of thing is as out of date as a 1930s movie like "It's a wonderful life" in which the overstuffed banker guy lords it over Jimmy Stewart, our hero.

To protect them from the justice system. Including the crime of 1st degree murder and treason. If a judge is a Mason and the perp who committed murder is also. The judge is obligated to make sure he is not convicted of murder or any lessor crime.

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I've heard that one before also. It's totally fictitious.

I can tell you this. If you read it. You’ll realize that there are many strange things and court rulings that make no sense.... but could be attributed to Masons in our government.

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It is estimated that in the heyday of Masonry, about 1 in 4 American men were Masons and it's also true that the lodges included many of the civic and business leaders in any town. A surprising number of American Presidents were Masons.

I say this in order to make the point that it would be almost impossible for the inner circles of government, business, commerce, charities, etc., etc. NOT TO INVOLVE Masons and as movers and shakers...under those circumstances.

Confused-by-christianity said:

Can you be a Christian and a Freemason?

I once went to church and the speaker said "stay away from Freemasonry. If you're a Freemason - get out now". He then told a story of a friend of a friend who went all the way to the top of Freemasonry and at the end was asked to bow down and worship a picture of Satan.

I asked around with a lot of Christian's. They all believed it was Satanic, but when pressed, didn't provide any proof. The evidence they provided (and accepted themselves) was poor - witness story, christian, of a friend of a friend who they didn't know and who I couldn't trace. I think this is close to gossip - when you spread and accept negative things about people, through the grapevine.

I asked a Freemason what he did and what they do. He said you basically just have dinner, socialise with other men. The dinner - you pay for it and the procedes go to charity.

I researched a little for the Freemason point of view - It sounded like a bunch of guys who want to get together, hang out, be better people, didn't want to fight over their differences but rather wanted to come together over what they have in common - and just be a brotherhood. It sounded a little cheesy - theatrics designed to teach lessons to be better people. It sounded like a game with levels. That you could move up in levels once you learned and performed the required stuff etc etc.

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Protestants have typically opposed secret societies because they have a tendency to hide sin. Everything we believe in and every group we are part of should be a matter of public record ostensibly so the church and other believers can call out sin when necessary. I can't speak to freemasonry but any secret society is questionable.

Albion said:

Sure, but as I have pointed out, there are a lot of Masonic organizations and most Master Masons, i.e. full Masons, never join any of them. But did your dad? It could be so because you said something about him moving up the ranks or something similar to that.


What a shame. A charitable thing you might have done, which many people do, was to donate them to the appropriate Masonic organization so that somebody else would be spared the cost of paying for new ones.

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What a shame ????

What could be more clear than 2 Cor 4:2

"we have renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by open proclamation of the truth, we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

Do you think Jesus enjoys seeing such abominations?

Renounced means to 'speak against' in the Greek.

We spoke against the unclean spiritual entities associated with the paraphernalia in Jesus name.

It was a fierce spiritual battle until we took this step.

Redwingfan9 said:

Protestants have typically opposed secret societies because they have a tendency to hide sin.

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Nope. But I will tell you what the truth is.

Protestant churches--but not all of them by any means--have tended to oppose so-called secret societies for another reason. That is that Masonry is open to men who believe in one God. Not pagans, not atheists, but monotheists. In other words, it's not for Christians only. But who doesn't belong to a bowling league or homeowners association or chamber of commerce or political party, etc. etc. in which they as Christians associate with people of other faiths?

For many Christians--Episcopalians, Evangelical Lutherans, Methodists, and others--that means that Christians of one denomination will fellowship (but not worship) with Christians of a different denomination in lodge. THAT is anathema to many of the more fundamentalistic churches.

How does that grab you?

And, by the way, most of these churches that have taken such a stand have done so only in recent years, not when Masonry was really influential.

That owes mainly to the conspiracy theories that online social messaging websites and TV channels specializing in unmasking bigfoot, ghost hunters, forgotten civilizations, unknown history, some movies, and all that sort of thing have been so much into in recent decades.

Carl Emerson said:

What a shame ????

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Yes. You had a chance to be kind to another person who did you no harm...but you chose to destroy something rather than do so. Shall we now quote the verses from Scripture that speak of kindness and love? The Good Samaritan, perhaps, as a starter? Or maybe I should ask if I am allowed to give used clothing to the Salvation Army for the benefit of the poor? The Salvation Army is a religious denomination, you know, but it's not mine, so would you recommend that I just burn the stuff like you did?

Carl Emerson said:

He was so devistated he wouldn't share - also there is a code of secrecy...

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Then whatever it is couldn’t be that bad.

" To the Masons, the occultists, spiritualists, sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future through the sorcerous invocation of demons, ANATHEMA! "


https://jordanville.org/files/Articles/Anathemas.pdf


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Tropical Wilds said:

Then whatever it is couldn’t be that bad.

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Would you like to explain what you mean?

Albion said:

It is estimated that in the heyday of Masonry, about 1 in 4 American men were Masons and it's also true that the lodges included many of the civic and business leaders in any town. A surprising number of American Presidents were Masons.

I say this in order to make the point that it would be almost impossible for the inner circles of government, business, commerce, charities, etc., etc. NOT TO INVOLVE Masons and as movers and shakers...under those circumstances.

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That is so typical of Masonry claims. From the time you could find a lodge in every little town. When there were a lot of leading men were Masons. So many a young man like Finney or George Washington “became” Masons to make connections only to find out it was a money making scam by leaders of the lodge so they left Masonry before they ever got to the 4th degree oaths. But Masons forever call all those people Masons. In fact I’d bet the vast majority of “Masons” Were along those lines. People who joined the local lodge but left it shortly afterwards.

So don’t buy that nor do I buy your objections to what I said. That may be true of the Shriners but not of the Masons in general.

Carl Emerson said:

Would you like to explain what you mean?

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Sure. If something truly awful is happening, you tell people. You don’t shrug it off by saying that a baloney, non-legally binding oath to a club you aren’t a part of anymore prevents you from speaking about it.

Albion said:

Yes. You had a chance to be kind to another person who did you no harm...but you chose to destroy something rather than do so. Shall we now quote the verses from Scripture that speak of kindness and love? The Good Samaritan, perhaps, as a starter? Or maybe I should ask if I am allowed to give used clothing to the Salvation Army for the benefit of the poor? The Salvation Army is a religious denomination, you know, but it's not mine, so would you recommend that I just burn the stuff like you did?

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You mean - don't destroy the idols like God said - some needy person might find them useful - what right do you have to deprive the poor like that ?? !!!

As times when folks came to Jesus I had to burn at their request heaps of expensive books.

For some of us following Jesus comes at a significant cost.

Daniel Martinovich said:

That is so typical of Masonry claims. From the time you could find a lodge in every little town. When there were a lot of leading men were Masons. So many a young man like Finney or George Washington “became” Masons to make connections only to find out it was a money making scam by leaders of the lodge so they left Masonry before they ever got to the 4th degree oaths.

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How little you know of Masonry to be lecturing on it.
It's 3rd degree that makes a man a Master Mason, not 4th, and there is no higher degree beyond that.

Then too, Washington didn't need Masonry in order to be wealthy and he did not leave Masonry before anything. He was, in fact, a member of his lodge for many years, was its Master, and laid the cornerstone of the Capitol while wearing his Masonic regalia.

I don’t buy that nor do I buy your objections to what I said.

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I'll do my best to bear up under that burden.

Tropical Wilds said:

Sure. If something truly awful is happening, you tell people. You don’t shrug it off by saying that a baloney, non-legally binding oath to a club you aren’t a part of anymore prevents you from speaking about it.

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That was the first thing that occurred to me also when I read that account. It wouldn't make sense.