Is polygamy a sin

LaBèlla said:

It wasn't meant to be all encompassing. This is a Christian site. It isn't necessary to unpack the depths of the subject in this venue or the thread.

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However, narratives that play the party line that also houses many false dichotomies are even more reason to point out the fallacies. In the Christian context, speaking specifically of the biblical context rather than the socially engineered theologies that dominate most professing believer's thinking today, the challenge of overcoming the group-think within post modern christianity is to accept what the Bible teaches rather than the filtered conclusions that find no grounding in the contexts of isolated passages used to weave together to the social theologies that dominate much of moderrn churchianity

Jr

SwordmanJr said:

However, narratives that play the party line that also houses many false dichotomies are even more reason to point out the fallacies. In the Christian context, speaking specifically of the biblical context rather than the socially engineered theologies that dominate most professing believer's thinking today, the challenge of overcoming the group-think within post modern christianity is to accept what the Bible teaches rather than the filtered conclusions that find no grounding in the contexts of isolated passages used to weave together to the social theologies that dominate much of moderrn churchianity

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But you don't present the balanced viewpoint you're asking for from others. Your support is evident and the responses echo the same. Your goal is validating its authenticity. I have yet to see you address the subject from the other side and explain why it wouldn't be a viable solution for many. With practical and biblical support for your position.

~Bella

LaBèlla said:

But you don't present the balanced viewpoint you're asking for from others. Your support is evident and the responses echo the same. Your goal is validating its authenticity. I have yet to see you address the subject from the other side and explain why it wouldn't be a viable solution for many. With practical and biblical support for your position.

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Biblical support for why it's not ideal for most? I don't recall having addressed that from a biblical standpoint, but rather a practical one given modern tendencies toward immaturity in so many men and the feministic mindset that dominates so much of historic and modern culture here in the West.

What I have argued in these forums is against the presupposition that the Lord is opposed to polygyny on the grounds that it is allegedly immoral, which it is not. The most common argument against polygyny is the use of verses and context couched in the prohibition against most reasons for divorce that are so common within modern churchianity.

Jr

SwordmanJr said:

Biblical support for why it's not ideal for most? I don't recall having addressed that from a biblical standpoint, but rather a practical one given modern tendencies toward immaturity in so many men and the feministic mindset that dominates so much of historic and modern culture here in the West.

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No you haven't; hence my comment.

What I have argued in these forums is against the presupposition that the Lord is opposed to polygyny on the grounds that it is allegedly immoral, which it is not. The most common argument against polygyny is the use of verses and context couched in the prohibition against most reasons for divorce that are so common within modern churchianity.

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Is your perspective well received?

~Bella

LaBèlla said:

Is your perspective well received?

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Ay, yes. An appeal to popularity. That's an old fallacy that is still a common grounding for many.

Jr

SwordmanJr said:

Ay, yes. An appeal to popularity. That's an old fallacy that is still a common grounding for many.

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I wasn't addressing popularity in my comment. I asked a question.

~Bella

LaBèlla said:

I wasn't addressing popularity in my comment. I asked a question.

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Seriously? When you pose the appeal in the form of a question as if it were far removed from an actual appeal, "Is your perspective well received?", and then pretend it has no appeal in its obvious direction at which it points, you fool only yourself.

Jr

SwordmanJr said:

Seriously? When you pose the appeal in the form of a question as if it were far removed from an actual appeal, "Is your perspective well received?", and then pretend it has no appeal in its obvious direction at which it points, you fool only yourself.

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You are welcome to believe as you wish and needn’t answer.

~Bella

LaBèlla said:

You are welcome to believe as you wish and needn’t answer.

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I just happen to not be lingualy challenged. that's all. Your question gave ample reason to believe that the lack of general reception by the general populate of whatever crowd somehow lends greater legitimacy to your position. It matters not what the bandwagoneers think. Homosexual conduct is wrong, even when the general acceptance of that claim doesn't exist throughout the culture here in the West. Appeals to popularity are therefore meaningless where moral questions are the topic.

Jr

I have a friend from the church that believes in it. And because so, he's very must an outcast and often stays in left field. I still count him a brother even though we depart on that particular thing. But my question to him (next time I see him and to those on this board) is this: If you believe polygamy is lawful in the sight of God then what do you make of scripture that says a leader isn't to have more than one wife? Wouldn't that disqualify you for leadership? Then I realize some Christians don't give a flip about leading. Then I would ask those this: What if polygamy is outlawed in the territory where you live? Aren't you sinning if you go foward with it even though your governing laws forbid it?

To me it's another culture issue. There's no doubt that in the time of the NT writings, multiple marriages were common. Today, I just don't see a place for it. It can be very damaging to the people involved; not to mention to the children.

Those are good questions .... ()

I answer them by saying that it was OK within Israel to have more than one wife. It was against Roman law to have more than one wife. Paul was writing to Gentiles under Roman law when he said a church leader should be the husband of one wife. It is also of interest to me that Israel petitioned Rome to get an exception to that rule as as far as I know they were the only people group to get an exception.

I personally would would not encourage people who want to be poly to all get married as that clearly is against the law.

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I have a friend from the church that believes in it. And because so, he's very must an outcast and often stays in left field.

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What does that mean to stay in left field? That sounds like it refers to the idea that he's not a part of group-think. Perhaps it could be said that I am among those individuals out there who don't follow along with everyone else, most of whom follow along after the many socially engineered theologies in our modern church organizations.

I still count him a brother even though we depart on that particular thing. But my question to him (next time I see him and to those on this board) is this: If you believe polygamy is lawful in the sight of God then what do you make of scripture that says a leader isn't to have more than one wife? Wouldn't that disqualify you for leadership?

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Delving into the Greek of the passage to which you alluded, the Greek word "mia" can also be understood as a reference to "first" wife. It can go both ways. If a man is divorced, then he does not qualify for leadership. If a man has more than one wife at a time, he does not qualify for leadership, and for good reason.

Then I realize some Christians don't give a flip about leading. Then I would ask those this: What if polygamy is outlawed in the territory where you live? Aren't you sinning if you go foward with it even though your governing laws forbid it?

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Here in the West, the laws govern that a man is not allowed to have more than one active marriage license, or certificate, for marriage. So, in response to your question, it could be asked where the Lord ever demanded that one must acquire governmental recognition for any marriage. Even our laws do not require that all couples acquire a license unless they wish to partake of some of the benefits of having one. Most, if not all, the benefits of a license from City Hall can be acquired without that piece of paper from the local government.

To go another step forward, we can observe that there are many couples out there who have a license from the local government for their legal marriage, and yet are not married in the eyes of God. Why? How? Nowhere did the Lord define marriage in terms of man-made laws and traditions. There are many couples who are not truly bound to one another, and yet get a license from the local government and go through the motions of a ceremony, many of which speak of the horrors of equal partnerships, equal authority, etc. Those who do not measure up to God's definition of marriage in Genesis 2, they are living in sin, even with that license.

To me it's another culture issue. There's no doubt that in the time of the NT writings, multiple marriages were common. Today, I just don't see a place for it. It can be very damaging to the people involved; not to mention to the children.

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Monogamy can be just as damaging to couples as polygyny. Polygamy is a broad-based term that includes other marital forms that clearly are sin, thus my driving home the term POLYGYNY. I do not recommend polygyny for most men because most men in our modern age are not mature enough to take on such a responsibility. Many men can't even handle monogamy, so much less polygyny.

Jr

SwordmanJr,

I have been reading through these posts and I just want to commend you on your analysis of the scriptures on this matter.

I have no bias on whether or not polygamy would be considered moral or not, as this is not something I desire nor anyone close to me is involved in this, therefore no skin in the game so to speak.

It does matter when people improperly come to conclusions they say are backed by scriptures...when they are not, and make a mishmash of the entire topic like some odd maze, and that is especially dangerous as it can lead to actual trespasses in other areas when everything gets all muddled up.

Again, good job SwordsmanJr. on rightly dividing the Word.You seemed to be the voice of reason on what the verses actually say, while separating what they don’t say. Perhaps someone can refute you yet...but I did not see it happen here. Your assessments were correct.

vlisco said:

Hello guys, I've been wondering if it's a sin for a Christian man to marry more than one wife. Will a person ho to hell if he legally marries more women? Pls advice with scriptural reference. Thank you

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Jesus taught that Adam and Eve is how God designed marriage, that A man and A woman will leave mother and father, and cleave together and the TWO shall be as one.

Is polygamy wrong?

Yes.

Lady Donna Marie said:

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Thanks for helping prove Bible prophecy, which states there will be a great falling away before Jesus’ second advent - and Jesus asked if He would find faith on the earth when He returned.

2Thessalonians 2:3

Luke 18:8

HTacianas said:

There is no scriptural prohibition against polygamy. It has long been prohibited by the Church. Even those who don't follow the teachings of the Church still have it as a holdover from when they did.

But I don't know where you live so I don't know if it's legal or not.

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You mean no scriptural prohibition other than Jesus’ teaching that Adam and Eve are the example of what marriage is - that A man and A woman will cleave together, and the TWO shall be as one?

That lets out polygamy.

chad kincham said:

Jesus taught that Adam and Eve is how God designed marriage, that A man and A woman will leave mother and father, and cleave together and the TWO shall be as one.

Is polygamy wrong?

Yes.

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Most forms of polygamy are indeed wrong (sin). The one model of marriage under the heading of "polygamy" that is not wrong is polygyny (one man with plural wives).

With people out there marrying their goats and dinner plates, I'm sure we're in for some additional nastiness in just how low human kind can sink.

Jr

chad kincham said:

Thanks for helping prove Bible prophecy, which states there will be a great falling away before Jesus’ second advent - and Jesus asked if He would find faith on the earth when He returned.

2Thessalonians 2:3

Luke 18:8

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You'll have to be more specific as to the particulars you think you see in this thread that serve as items adding to the mix of the last days and the turning away. Polygyny was around long before these last days, with even God Himself giving some men plural wives.

So, what's your point?

Jr

chad kincham said:

You mean no scriptural prohibition other than Jesus’ teaching that Adam and Eve are the example of what marriage is - that A man and A woman will cleave together, and the TWO shall be as one?

That lets out polygamy.

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"That lets out polygamy."? What do you mean? I've already said that most forms of polygamy are sin. Yes. However, polygyny is not. To say it's sin is to accuse God of sin, because He gave some men plural wives. So, what's your problem with God?

Jr

Hmm. Answers to my questions appear to not be something some people want to tackle. Oh well, I'm used to that.

The lack of critical thinking that our public schools have fostered among modern adults has worked. The anti-polygyny people out there seem to not be aware of some critical facts, in that Abraham had plural wives, as did most of the other Patriarchs and Judges of Israel. The usual stupidity behind modern and historic preaching, Sunday school lessons, and other materials throughout the market, all that teach there was nothing but strife in the lives of all those men who had plural wives, they fall strangely quiet when confronted with the fact that we're told nothing about problems in the marital life of men like Gideon, who had "many" wives.

It's something else to observe the blinders so many have on their eyes to the modern crisis within monogamy, given the problems of emotional and/or physical abuse, infidelity, lack of parenting, lack of sacrificial giving one to another, lack of true commitment, et al.

It's not a matter of either marital model being superior to the other. What matters is the people within them. Consider, if you will, how many couples out there who have that silly piece of paper from City Hall for their social marriages, and yet are living fornicative, and even adulterous, lives together because they failed to meet all three primary criteria for God's definition of marriage in Genesis 2. The evidence for this is seen simply in looking at the sheer numbers of couples running down to their local divorce courts, all thinking that their divorces are legitimate in the eyes of God simply by virtue of a signature from some "judge."

Things are more than messed up today within the monogamy model without everyone trying to shove God off His Throne so that they can condemn all the Patriarchs, many of the Judges, and all other men who ever have had, or do have, more than one wife without having ever divorced any of them as is going on today with such commonality and frequency within monogamy that it renders marriage nothing more than a joke in the eyes of a fallen culture worldwide. Denmark has even disallowed the women to change their last names to that of their "husbands" to reduce the workload of women changing their names back to their maiden names prior to their "social marriages" after getting a social divorce.

Most of you men out there don't have the capacity to love more than one wife as you should if you did indeed have more than one at a time. It requires a level of loving sacrifice far beyond anything the vast majority of you have ever been raised to adopt for yourselves in this selfish, self-absorbed culture of ours.

Yeah, I'm saying it out loud...most of you men aren't man enough to love at a level of what would be required of you in a plural marriage. Most of you women are too consumed with feministic corruption to ever love your husband and accept his love for you and another. The same goes for men. We've all been touched to varying levels of our thinking and beliefs by the evils and corruption of feminism, even in theology.

Imagine that...

Jr