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jgr · Apr 23, 2020

Douggg said:
Not in the four gospels. The 12 disciples were the inner corps of Jesus followers, to day of the crucifixion. They were not Christians until after Jesus appeared to them in Luke 24:44-48 and opened their minds to the scriptures, which they then were overjoyed. Read Luke 24:33, as well, the eleven disciples.

You are just creating confusion by saying the disciples, when in 70 AD them believed upon Jesus for their salvation were commonly known as Christians.

They were Christ's disciples, but they were not Christians?

If only they'd known.

Douggg · Apr 24, 2020

jgr said:
They were Christ's disciples, but they were not Christians?

If only they'd known.

Nobody was a Christian until after the resurrection and Luke 24:44-48.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

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Before the crucifixion....

Luke 18:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

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It was not until after the resurrection, in Luke 24:44-48, and Jesus appeared to the eleven disciples, that he opened their understanding - of things that were hid (understanding wise) from them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, [back in Luke 18 above] that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

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No-one was a Christian before Luke 24:44-48.

jgr · Apr 24, 2020

Douggg said:
Nobody was a Christian until after the resurrection and Luke 24:44-48.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

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Before the crucifixion....

Luke 18:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

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It was not until after the resurrection, in Luke 24:44-48, and Jesus appeared to the eleven disciples, that he opened their understanding - of things that were hid (understanding wise) from them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, [back in Luke 18 above] that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

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No-one was a Christian before Luke 24:44-48.

The dating of Luke 24:44-48 is about AD30. There is no reference to "Christians" at that time.

The dating of Acts 11:26 is about AD43-44. That is the first reference to "Christians".

Thus all who escaped to Pella, which occurred about AD66, were by then known as Christians.

Christians are those who follow Christ.

Christ also referred to those who follow Him as His disciples. (John 13:35; John 15:8)

Thus all who escaped to Pella were known as both Christians, and disciples of Christ.

As I said.

Read it again.

"Disciples" generically includes all of the Christians in Jerusalem and Judea, all of whom escaped to Pella prior to the Roman invasion, and survived. Jesus' warnings were obviously passed down, beginning with His twelve disciples, to Jerusalem/Judean Christians in the intervening years between the Olivet discourse and the flight to Pella prior to AD70.

Douggg · Apr 24, 2020

jgr said:
"Disciples" generically includes all of the Christians in Jerusalem and Judea, all of whom escaped to Pella prior to the Roman invasion, and survived. Jesus' warnings were obviously passed down, beginning with His twelve disciples, to Jerusalem/Judean Christians in the intervening years between the Olivet discourse and the flight to Pella prior to AD70.

What is the tile of this site, where you are making your posts?

Douggg · Apr 24, 2020

jgr said:
Christ also referred to those who follow him as His disciples. (John 13:35; John 15:8)

Did you read Luke 18, and Luke 24, in my post 62 ?

Before the crucifixion in Luke 18

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Then after the resurrection in Luke 24

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, [back in Luke 18 above] that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

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No-one was a Christian until after Luke 24:44-48.

jgr · Apr 24, 2020

Douggg said:
Did you read Luke 18, and Luke 24, in my post 62 ?

Before the crucifixion in Luke 18

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Then after the resurrection in Luke 24

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, [back in Luke 18 above] that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

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No-one was a Christian until after Luke 24:44-48.

No one was identified using the term "Christian" until Acts 11:26.

Douggg · Apr 24, 2020

jgr said:
No one was identified using the term "Christian" until Acts 11:26.

Okay, we agree on that.

The point I am trying to impress upon you, is yes the disciples all through the gospels were Jesus's followers. Disciples of Jesus.

But they were not Christians (until Luke 24:44-48), because the gospel of being saved is based upon understanding why Jesus was crucified and later resurrected. And even though Jesus told them what was going to happen in Luke 18, it didn't register with their understanding. The understanding was hid from them and everyone else.

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The hiding was so as not to let Satan understand either, because otherwise he would never had been the one wanting to kill Jesus - this is implied in 1Corinthians2:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Satan did not realize that by killing Jesus, it would be the very thing that would make it possible for man to be redeemed from the power of sin, and eternal destruction. What Satan apparently thought was by killing Jesus, he would prevent the Kingdom of God from happening here on earth - thus destroying his own kingdom.

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So it was not until after the resurrection, that Jesus opened the minds of disciples, that they understood why Jesus died and was resurrected. It was then that the disciples became Christians. albeit not called Christians in the text of Luke 24:44-48.

jgr · Apr 24, 2020

Douggg said:
Okay, we agree on that.

The point I am trying to impress upon you, is yes the disciples all through the gospels were Jesus's followers. Disciples of Jesus.

But they were not Christians (until Luke 24:44-48), because the gospel of being saved is based upon understanding why Jesus was crucified and later resurrected. And even though Jesus told them what was going to happen in Luke 18, it didn't register with their understanding. The understanding was hid from them and everyone else.

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The hiding was so as not to let Satan understand either, because otherwise he would never had been the one wanting to kill Jesus - this is implied in 1Corinthians2:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Satan did not realize that by killing Jesus, it would be the very thing that would make it possible for man to be redeemed from the power of sin, and eternal destruction. What Satan apparently thought was by killing Jesus, he would prevent the Kingdom of God from happening here on earth - thus destroying his own kingdom.

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So it was not until after the resurrection, that Jesus opened the minds of disciples, that they understood why Jesus died and was resurrected. It was then that the disciples became Christians. albeit not called Christians in the text of Luke 24:44-48.

Glad we agree on something.

My point is that by the time of the flight to Pella, those who fled were followers of Christ, and were known both as Christians, and as disciples of Christ.

And Christ's warnings in the Olivet discourse were applicable to them, and were heeded by them.

Douggg · Apr 24, 2020

jgr said:
And Christ's warnings in the Olivet discourse were applicable to them, and were heeded by them.

Well, not on the Mt. Olive discourse in Matthew 24.

But the Luke 21:20-24 reply that Jesus gave while in the temple complex (see verses 1-6).

Davy · Apr 24, 2020

Douggg said:
Davy, you are give me the runaround.

The reason is because it is obvious that the rapture/resurrection has to be before the beginning of the Day of Lord, the time of God's wrath.... and you don't want to admit that the rapture/resurrection takes place before the end of the world saying "peace and safety, and not on the day that Jesus's returns as the post trib view claims.

What is obvious is what God's written Word says, not what one just says is obvious. The "day of the Lord" happens with Christ's 2nd coming, as Jesus Himself showed when He said He comes "as a thief". That "as a thief in the night" idea that Apostles Paul and Peter taught came from what Jesus taught in His Olivet discourse about the day of His coming. So what did Paul and Peter show happens on that day per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Peter 3:10? and where did they get those ideas about that time with God's consuming fire and day of His wrath? (I've already covered that too, but you bypassed that too).

No runarounds, just Scripture I pointed you to which has the answer to your question. I've brought some of those Scriptures up to you before, but you never responded to that. All you want to try and do is corner people instead of being straight up with them. So with all your supposed wisdom you infer, let's see how you interpret those 1 Thess.5:1-5 verses, and the Dan.8 Scripture I pointed you to in answer.

Davy · Apr 24, 2020

Douggg said:
You still have not answered the question. "When Jesus descends to earth in Revelation 19 with his armies of heaven, will the world be saying "peace and safety" at that time?

The saying "peace and safety" precondition is right before the beginning of the Day of the Lord. The rapture/resurrection in 1Thessalonains5:9-11 is before the beginning of the Day of the Lord, time of God's wrath.

Your statement above that I underlined does not align within God's written Word.

The day of Christ's 2nd coming is the "day of the Lord" which both Paul and Peter said will come "as a thief in the night". Jesus in Rev.16:15, speaking to His Church still on earth, said He comes "as a thief". And because He covered that "as a thief" analogy in His Olivet discourse of Matt.24 and Mark 13 in connection with His coming to gather His Church, we KNOW He means that on "the day of the Lord"! Simple.

But those men's traditions of a pre-trib rapture that you listen to and heed want you to totally reject what Jesus showed His Church on that in His Olivet discourse. They want you to believe that was not meant for the Church, but for His disciples in their day. It's simple why they want you to reject that, because Jesus was emphatic there about His coming and gathering of His Church being after... the great tribulation He mentioned.

Douggg · Apr 24, 2020

Davy said:
Jesus in Rev.16:15, speaking to His Church still on earth, said He comes "as a thief".

In context, when Revelation 16:14-16 takes place,will the world be saying "peace and safety" unaware that destruction is on the doorstep?

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Davy · Apr 25, 2020

Douggg said:
In context, when Revelation 16:14-16 takes place,will the world be saying "peace and safety" unaware that destruction is on the doorstep?

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Like I said, Jesus covered the idea of the thief breaking in within His Olivet discourse, and it was IN CONTEXT OF HIS 2ND COMING AND GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH, and that is where Apostles Paul and Peter got the idea of the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night".

Douggg · Apr 25, 2020

Davy said:
Like I said, Jesus covered the idea of the thief breaking in within His Olivet discourse, and it was IN CONTEXT OF HIS 2ND COMING AND GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH, and that is where Apostles Paul and Peter got the idea of the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night".

Davy, you keep evading the question. It is a yes or no question. Answer, and then explain your answer if you want ot.

In context, when Revelation 16:14-16 takes place,will the world be saying "peace and safety" unaware that destruction is on the doorstep?

Jamie grieve · Apr 25, 2020

Davy said:
Read your Bible for yourself, asking our Heavenly Father for understanding, in Christ's name. That should always... be your first and primary move.

If you rely on men's commentaries for the Truth, you will be misled into so many directions you won't know what hit you.

We are living in times today when God is allowing great confusion to happen, for many will be deceived by the coming Antichrist test in our near future. God showed He will send a famine in the land, not one of bread or water, but of hearing the words of The LORD (Amos 8:9-13). Because of that especially, you'd best rely on Him for your understanding which can only come by getting a workman's comprehension of His written Word with help of The Holy Spirit.

How you gonna' know if someone is telling you the Truth or not if you don't already know what God's Word says as written? Those at Berea, Apostle Paul commended, because they opened up God's Word to check him out when he preached to them (Acts 17). That's what we are to do, not just believe whatever man tells us.

Thanks for your reply and yes I agree with what you said. I guess I am more interested in what various people believe and why.. I am very young in revelation and I have been discouraged by many Christians when I have even mentioned prophetic things..

Jamie grieve · Apr 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Jamie, welcome to CF. I see you are asking the same questions that many here have asked here in the past we well. How do we know if we are following Gods' truth or not? What we see today is the fulfillment of the prophecies of JESUS that in the last days there will be many false teachers trying to lead people away from God and his Word. The Devil is walking about like a raoring lion seeking who he may devour because he knows his time is short.

Today we are literally seeing the fulfillment in the prophecies of the scriptures of false doctrines from the teachings and traditions of men that seek to turn us away from God and his Word.

You are right to feel cautious, but you do not need to feel overwlemed. In the last days before JESUS returns there will be many false teachers that will deceive if possible Gods very elect *MATTHEW 24:24; 2 PETER 2:1-5; 2 TIMOTHY 4:1-4.

Today we see from one of the last Christian surveys that there is over 40,000 different Christian denominations all proffessing to be Gods chosen. They can't all be right can they? So I believe God is guiding you to be careful in what you are reading as many will be swept away by false teachings before the 2nd coming.

Why do I say you do not need to be overwelmed? Well very simply do not make the same mistake as many others do. Turn away from trying to find God's truth through the teachings and traditions of men. God's promise to all those who seek him through prayer and his Word is that you shall seek me and find me when you shall search for me with all of your heart *JEREMIAH 29:11-13.

God's promises that those who want to know His truth will know it. Claim and believe his promises and seek him through prayer and his Word and believe his promises...

JOHN 7:17 [17], If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

JOHN 14:26 [26], But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

JOHN 16:13 [13], However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

JOHN 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

HEBREWS 8:11 [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

1 JOHN 2:27 [27], But the anointing which you have received of him stays in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.

You have all good reason to be careful. You have all God's promises to guide you and lead you. If you put your trust in him, he will never leave you or forsake you and promises to teach you all things if you ask him and seek him through his Word and continue doing so.

Turn away from the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and seek JESUS through a prayerful searching of his Word asking him to be your guide and teacher and he will be there for you.

God bless.

I have to say that this reply from every reply is my favourite ha.. Its grounded and while giving me guidance it's not dictating what is right or wrong.. I have been told that I should not concern myself with such things but as a Christian who is not getting any younger i feel it's about time I actually found out what i believe in.. I must say that when you look into the prophetic ministry the craziness begins to become apparent and I have found myself thinking is this true or what and yes a simple faith is good but I think I'm entitled to know more about the return of Jesus.. But I will really think about what you said so bless you and thanks Jamie

LoveGodsWord · Apr 25, 2020

Jamie grieve said:
I have to say that this reply from every reply is my favourite ha.. Its grounded and while giving me guidance it's not dictating what is right or wrong.. I have been told that I should not concern myself with such things but as a Christian who is not getting any younger i feel it's about time I actually found out what i believe in.. I must say that when you look into the prophetic ministry the craziness begins to become apparent and I have found myself thinking is this true or what and yes a simple faith is good but I think I'm entitled to know more about the return of Jesus.. But I will really think about what you said so bless you and thanks Jamie

Hi Jamie, as posted earlier the key is in turning away from men and asking and seeking God's guidence. That does not mean God does not use people from time to time, of course he does but without God's guidence and the promise of His Spirit to teach us we can never know God's Word.

If your interested this site here has some good resources you can check out on end time prophecy and is mainly scripture which is easy and simply to understand and follow here at beastsmark.com

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word dear friend.

Davy · Apr 26, 2020

Jamie grieve said:
Thanks for your reply and yes I agree with what you said. I guess I am more interested in what various people believe and why.. I am very young in revelation and I have been discouraged by many Christians when I have even mentioned prophetic things..

It's sad but true, many treat Christianity and The Bible like a fad following. They won't bother to check it out in God's Word for themselves, but will just repeat what some preacher they like says, as if it were God Himself speaking. Religion is a funny thing, it's man's thing and goes all the way back to primitive tribal customs and superstitions. God's Word isn't a religion though, It is The Truth, and thus the same goes for Christianity, it is not really a religion, but The Truth. Understanding this will go a long ways towards having the right attitude with our Heavenly Father and His Son in His Word for Bible study. The goal is real 'understanding' to produce good fruit and righteous works through Him, not religious fads.

Before the new babe can understand our Lord Jesus' Revelation, a study in the Old Testament prophets is a must. There's another reason why Revelation is the end book cover of God's Word. It's because it points back to the rest of God's Word, all the way back to the Book of Genesis. So lacking an understanding between the front cover and the back cover isn't good, a full coverage is pretty much a necessity to grasp Revelation. Time is short, but you can do it, start right in Genesis 1 and go all the way through. Don't jump around with a single verse here or there and think that is proper Bible study. Just because most Churches do that at the pulpit, and wind up preaching their own message a lot of the time, that doesn't mean that's how to properly study God's Word. Line upon line, chapter by chapter, that's how God showed us (Isaiah 28). Those who fail to do it that way God showed will fall backwards and be snared and taken (in deception).

Zao is life · Apr 26, 2020

Jamie grieve said:
Hi there I'm jamie from Blackburn Lancashire in the UK.. I have been a Christian for a few years now but I have got to admit that I don't understand all things eschatology. I have been reading some books and articles by Joel Richardson and a few other people. For example t issue regarding the return of Jesus.. What is the correct belief? I have read that Jesus will come back to Israel to rule for a thousand years. What I don't understand is what is true. Is that before the creation of a new heaven and earth. And if everyone sees his return in the clouds will we be able to speak with him like a regular man. And what about the rapture. Who believes what and why.. Do different denominations share different ideas about this.. Can anyone tell me what they know about it all.. I feel like I'm a bit silly for even asking this like i should know it all already but I don't.. Thanks anyway Jamie

As you can see we all at CF saw your post, decided you weren't confused enough, so we all thought it would be nice to confuse you even more.

Welcome to CF Jamie!

Just read and study the whole Bible yourself (because the Revelation and all Biblical prophecy is linked to everything else in the Bible - the Bible is like a tapestry), and pray, asking God to give you insight and understanding of what you read, and to remember what you read and also where you read it.

Sounds like a high call but God hears prayer and answers them - in His own time (so many years will pass and as time passes, you will understand more and more).

When you consider what others say, consider what they say but always go back to the Bible and see if YOU see what they see (or think they see).

God bless.

claninja · Apr 27, 2020

Jamie grieve said:
For example t issue regarding the return of Jesus.. What is the correct belief?

The correct belief is that He is coming on the clouds and all eyes will see Him.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him.

This occurs after the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem, whether it is soon after or 2,000+ years later.

Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days:‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b ’ At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Luke 21:24-28 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among the nations, bewildered by the roaring of the sea and the surging of the waves. Men will faint from fear and anxiety over what is coming upon the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.b When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Jamie grieve said:
I have read that Jesus will come back to Israel to rule for a thousand years.

Depends on a couple of things:

1.) is revelation 20 literal or parabolic?
2.) what is the Good News of the Kingdom of God?

From scripture, we know that Jesus is presently reigning from the right hand of the Father:

1 Corinthians 15:25 For He must reign (present tense verb) until He has put all His enemies under His feet

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Ephesians 1:20-21 which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me

Jamie grieve said:
Is that before the creation of a new heaven and earth.

Christ's reign occurs prior to, during, and after the Day of the Lord.

2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.

Jamie grieve said:
And if everyone sees his return in the clouds will we be able to speak with him like a regular man.

All will see Christ, as all will stand before the Judgment seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Hebrews 9:27 Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment

Jamie grieve said:
And what about the rapture. Who believes what and why..

The rapture occurs AFTER the resurrection of the dead

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Jamie grieve said:
I feel like I'm a bit silly for even asking this like i should know it all already but I don't.. Thanks anyway Jamie

Don't feel silly for asking questions on eschatology. All the different eschatologies out there often confuse me as well, so I know the feeling.

While we must be careful on how we build are beliefs, in this case eschatology, upon the foundation laid by Christ, we can be thankful that if we are incorrect, eschatologically speaking, those works will be burnt up, and we will still be saved.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as if through the flames.

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