Nobel Prize winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz, says Trump's Covid response looks "Third World".

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Top economist: US coronavirus response is like 'third world' country
Joseph Stiglitz attacks Donald Trump, saying US on course for second Great Depression

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Donald Trump’s botched handling of the Covid-19 crisis has left the US looking like a “third world” country and on course for a second Great Depression, one of the world’s leading economists has warned.

In a withering attack on the president, Joseph Stiglitz said millions of people were turning to food banks, turning up for work due to a lack of sick pay and dying because of health inequalities.

The Nobel prize-winning economist said: “The numbers turning to food banks are just enormous and beyond the capacity of them to supply. It is like a third world country. The public social safety net is not working.”

Stiglitz, a long-term critic of Trump, said 14% of the population was dependent on food stamps and predicted the social infrastructure could not cope with an unemployment rate that could hit 30% in the coming months.

“We have a safety net that is inadequate. The inequality in the US is so large. This disease has targeted those with the poorest health. In the advanced world, the US is one of the countries with the poorest health overall and the greatest health inequality.”

Stiglitz said Republicans had opposed proposals to give those affected by coronavirus 10 days’ sick leave, meaning many employees were going to work even while infected. “The Republicans said no because they said it would set a bad precedent. It is literally unbelievable.”

He added: “The safety net is not adequate and is propagating the disease. There is very weak unemployment insurance and people don’t think they can rely on it.”

During an interview with the Guardian to mark the paperback publication of his book People, Power, and Profits, Stiglitz was asked whether the US might be heading for a second Great Depression.

“Yes is the answer in short,” he said. “If you leave it to Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell [the Republican Senate majority leader] we will have a Great Depression. If we had the right policy structure in place we could avoid it easily.”

Stiglitz said that as a result of Trump’s mismanagement, the White House office responsible for pandemics had been closed, funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had been cut, and the US had gone into the crisis without enough testing kits, masks and protective gear. Encouraged by Trump, some parts of the US were determined to reopen in a way that would facilitate the transmission of the disease and lead to a fresh outbreak, he added.

“In those circumstances it won’t be the government enforcing the lockdown, it will be fear. The concern is that people are not going to be spending on anything other than food and that’s the definition of a Great Depression.

“We were unprepared but, even given the degree of unpreparedness, Trump’s decision to make this about politics rather than about science has meant we have responded far more poorly.”

Stiglitz said that if Trump were defeated in the presidential contest in November and the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress there was a chance of the US moving in a more progressive direction, but he warned Republicans would fight dirty in order to cling on to power.

“There is voter suppression and gerrymandering. The Republican party knows it’s a minority party and there is a no-holds-barred struggle going on to make sure a minority party rules America.”

Stiglitz said the current crisis would force countries to make themselves less vulnerable, and this would lead to shorter supply chains and a greater emphasis on self-sufficiency in food and energy.

He added that the complexity of modern production methods meant autarky was not feasible but added: “Fighting global pandemics and climate change require global cooperation. It’s just that the president of the United States doesn’t understand that.

“I hope we emerge from this with the perspective that multilateralism is even more important than we thought. It can’t just be a corporate-driven globalisation. We have to make it more resilient.’


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Top economist: US coronavirus response is like 'third world' country
Joseph Stiglitz attacks Donald Trump, saying US on course for second Great Depression

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Donald Trump’s botched handling of the Covid-19 crisis has left the US looking like a “third world” country and on course for a second Great Depression, one of the world’s leading economists has warned.

In a withering attack on the president, Joseph Stiglitz said millions of people were turning to food banks, turning up for work due to a lack of sick pay and dying because of health inequalities.

The Nobel prize-winning economist said: “The numbers turning to food banks are just enormous and beyond the capacity of them to supply. It is like a third world country. The public social safety net is not working.”

Stiglitz, a long-term critic of Trump, said 14% of the population was dependent on food stamps and predicted the social infrastructure could not cope with an unemployment rate that could hit 30% in the coming months.

“We have a safety net that is inadequate. The inequality in the US is so large. This disease has targeted those with the poorest health. In the advanced world, the US is one of the countries with the poorest health overall and the greatest health inequality.”

Stiglitz said Republicans had opposed proposals to give those affected by coronavirus 10 days’ sick leave, meaning many employees were going to work even while infected. “The Republicans said no because they said it would set a bad precedent. It is literally unbelievable.”

He added: “The safety net is not adequate and is propagating the disease. There is very weak unemployment insurance and people don’t think they can rely on it.”

During an interview with the Guardian to mark the paperback publication of his book People, Power, and Profits, Stiglitz was asked whether the US might be heading for a second Great Depression.

“Yes is the answer in short,” he said. “If you leave it to Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell [the Republican Senate majority leader] we will have a Great Depression. If we had the right policy structure in place we could avoid it easily.”

Stiglitz said that as a result of Trump’s mismanagement, the White House office responsible for pandemics had been closed, funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had been cut, and the US had gone into the crisis without enough testing kits, masks and protective gear. Encouraged by Trump, some parts of the US were determined to reopen in a way that would facilitate the transmission of the disease and lead to a fresh outbreak, he added.

“In those circumstances it won’t be the government enforcing the lockdown, it will be fear. The concern is that people are not going to be spending on anything other than food and that’s the definition of a Great Depression.

“We were unprepared but, even given the degree of unpreparedness, Trump’s decision to make this about politics rather than about science has meant we have responded far more poorly.”

Stiglitz said that if Trump were defeated in the presidential contest in November and the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress there was a chance of the US moving in a more progressive direction, but he warned Republicans would fight dirty in order to cling on to power.

“There is voter suppression and gerrymandering. The Republican party knows it’s a minority party and there is a no-holds-barred struggle going on to make sure a minority party rules America.”

Stiglitz said the current crisis would force countries to make themselves less vulnerable, and this would lead to shorter supply chains and a greater emphasis on self-sufficiency in food and energy.

He added that the complexity of modern production methods meant autarky was not feasible but added: “Fighting global pandemics and climate change require global cooperation. It’s just that the president of the United States doesn’t understand that.

“I hope we emerge from this with the perspective that multilateralism is even more important than we thought. It can’t just be a corporate-driven globalisation. We have to make it more resilient.’


Top economist: US coronavirus response is like 'third world' country

I am going to completely disregard what this man has to say, and here's why:

"Stiglitz said that if Trump were defeated in the presidential contest in November and the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress there was a chance of the US moving in a more progressive direction..."

Would that lead us to be more like Europe? Europe has been devastated by the disease, they have faced shortages of equipment and in general have been ill prepared for it. They have higher infection rates than the US and and higher death rates.

Maybe he should go point his finger at Europe instead of lying -yes, lying- about the US.
 
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I am going to completely disregard what this man has to say, and here's why:

"Stiglitz said that if Trump were defeated in the presidential contest in November and the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress there was a chance of the US moving in a more progressive direction..."

Would that lead us to be more like Europe? Europe has been devastated by the disease, they have faced shortages of equipment and in general have been ill prepared for it. They have higher infection rates than the US and and higher death rates.

Maybe he should go point his finger at Europe instead of lying -yes, lying- about the US.

You might want to wait a few weeks before making any points about death rates. Europe was hit hard earlier than the US.
 
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I am going to completely disregard what this man has to say, and here's why:

"Stiglitz said that if Trump were defeated in the presidential contest in November and the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress there was a chance of the US moving in a more progressive direction..."

Would that lead us to be more like Europe? Europe has been devastated by the disease, they have faced shortages of equipment and in general have been ill prepared for it. They have higher infection rates than the US and and higher death rates.

Maybe he should go point his finger at Europe instead of lying -yes, lying- about the US.
*laughs in German/Norway/Finland/Czech/Portugal/Iceland/Poland/Ukraine, etc etc.*

Not everyone is Spain.

Many of those countries were much better equipped medically than we are. And yet when we saw what they were facing, we dragged our heels and did little to nothing. And many are still dragging their heels even as the bodies pile up. The only European country that compares is Sweden, who took a do nothing approach and is now being ravaged.

They didn't have shortages in most of those nations, Italy and France have much better healthcare and supplies than we do. But with an older population and being much earlier in the outbreak, they got broadsided. The US has less doctors and hospital beds per capita than either than them.
 
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*laughs in German/Norway/Finland/Czech/Portugal/Iceland/Poland/Ukraine, etc etc.*

Not everyone is Spain.

Many of those countries were much better equipped medically than we are. And yet when we saw what they were facing, we dragged our heels and did little to nothing. And many are still dragging their heels even as the bodies pile up. The only European country that compares is Sweden, who took a do nothing approach and is now being ravaged.

They didn't have shortages in most of those nations, Italy and France have much better healthcare and supplies than we do. But with an older population and being much earlier in the outbreak, they got broadsided. The US has less doctors and hospital beds per capita than either than them.

Here’s How Some Of The Countries Worst Hit By Coronavirus Are Dealing With Shortages Of Protective Equipment For Healthcare Workers
 
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Many of those countries were much better equipped medically than we are. And yet when we saw what they were facing, we dragged our heels and did little to nothing. And many are still dragging their heels even as the bodies pile up. The only European country that compares is Sweden, who took a do nothing approach and is now being ravaged.
Exactly!

They didn't have shortages in most of those nations, Italy and France have much better healthcare and supplies than we do. But with an older population and being much earlier in the outbreak, they got broadsided. The US has less doctors and hospital beds per capita than either than them.
Exactly! Nice summary - couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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1. article is 3 weeks old
2. you will note that the US is having greater shortage problems, despite having a fraction of the infection rates of countries like Italy. They also aren't having the feds seize their supplies.
Their hospitals also aren't being blamed by their Federal leaders of hoarding ventilators!

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump accused hospitals on Sunday of hoarding ventilators that are in scarce supply across the United States as the coronavirus spreads, adding any hospitals not using the devices must release them.

His record on hospital masks and PPE isn't great either!
I'm not even American, but found myself shouting at the TV as I heard him trying to blame the absolute HEROES in all this. Honestly, imagine you're a doctor or nurse and you're struggling to protect yourself against this pandemic, and later that night in your self-isolation staff room at the hospital (where you will be living for a few months!) you roll over in your uncomfortable cot, watch the news on your laptop, and hear your President blaming YOU for the hospital's lack of kit. Man, that would hurt.
 
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Stiglitz, a long-term critic of Trump, said 14% of the population was dependent on food stamps

uh huh. 14% of 330,000,000 is 49,500,000 people.
Reality is that there are 37 million currently. Down from close to 41 million during the previous administration.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/resource-files/29SNAPcurrPP-4.pdf

if he can’t get basic numbers correct.....and no one call you on this simple fact check. You really can not be taken seriously.
 
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uh huh. 14% of 330,000,000 is 49,500,000 people.
Reality is that there are 37 million currently. Down from close to 41 million during the previous administration.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/resource-files/29SNAPcurrPP-4.pdf

if he can’t get basic numbers correct.....and no one call you on this simple fact check. You really can not be taken seriously.
This group say:-

SNAP benefits supplied roughly 40 million Americans in 2018, at an expenditure of $57.1 billion.[2][3] Approximately 9.2% of American households obtained SNAP benefits at some point during 2017, with approximately 16.7% of all children living in households with SNAP benefits.[2] Beneficiaries and costs increased sharply with the Great Recession, peaked in 2013 and have declined through 2017 as the economy recovered.[2] It is the largest nutrition program of the 15 administered by FNS and is a key component of the social safety net for low-income Americans.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program

Percentage depends on who or what you're talking about... households, all citizens, adults, or kids? It's a high percentage either way and it's easy to mispeak. Either way, it's a large figure. I'm happy to grant things have changed in a positive direction, but I'm not sure your just stamping your foot and being a pedant over a few percentiles undermines his whole argument. Oh, and me? I'm nothing - you can attack me all day long. But are you really discrediting America's most famous economist when you attack some random stranger on the internet? Golly my, you must think I'm a big dangerous target to carry on so! :wave::oldthumbsup:
 
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Would that lead us to be more like Europe?

Well, here comes the socialism! Since the free market has failed at distributing food, what we need is a central planning authority to make rational decisions.

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