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How do you see the two Scripture extracts as a "world religion AND Christianity" talking point? Does the dream in the song contrast with the gift of Joseph? Gifts are underused but they also need directing to sound sources of values. At what level do you understand or wish to enquire about "Egypt"?

Maybe your allusions haven't given us enough to grab hold of to get started. Feel free to post in the many other permitted forum sections to help us grasp your desired angle at any time.
 
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How do you see the two Scripture extracts as a "world religion AND Christianity" talking point? Does the dream in the song contrast with the gift of Joseph? Gifts are underused but they also need directing to sound sources of values. At what level do you understand or wish to enquire about "Egypt"?

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Egypt, the land of Ham, world, limitations, bounderies.

It continues, they threw him into the well,

and the well was empty, there was no water in it.

The heart of man is never empty, if there is no water/Torah in it,
there are snakes and scorpions.
 
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How do you see the two Scripture extracts as a "world religion AND Christianity" talking point? Does the dream in the song contrast with the gift of Joseph? Gifts are underused but they also need directing to sound sources of values. At what level do you understand or wish to enquire about "Egypt"?

Maybe your allusions haven't given us enough to grab hold of to get started. Feel free to post in the many other permitted forum sections to help us grasp your desired angle at any time.

In each one of us there is an Egypt and a Pharaoh and a Moses and freedom in a promised land.

And every point in time is an opportunity for another exodus.
 
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In each one of us there is an Egypt and a Pharaoh and a Moses and freedom in a promised land.

And every point in time is an opportunity for another exodus.

This is what my old church tried to teach us on its better days! It will work by Holy Spirit rebirth.

You haven't said enough about dreams, yet.
 
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This is what my old church tried to teach us on its better days! It will work by Holy Spirit rebirth.

You haven't said enough about dreams, yet.

What is there to say?

By taking a piece of Torah and applying it to today,
is what makes Torah timeless.

There are two kinds of seriousness,
one is morbid and drab.

the other is authentic it sees the light through the cracks, as L Cohen sang.

The vid was meant to shine a little light through the cracks.
 
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So you are loosely connecting a general "dream" impulse and a dreamer, with the exodus "bullet points". The entry into Egypt of Joseph's family was their liberation from famine, at the time.

What kind of exodus do you think you ought to dream of?

Your thread - your call.

No call - no answer.

I often have to be prodded, myself, to explain why I started a thread.
 
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So you are loosely connecting a general "dream" impulse and a dreamer, with the exodus "bullet points". The entry into Egypt of Joseph's family was their liberation from famine, at the time.

What kind of exodus do you think you ought to dream of?

Your thread - your call.




No call - no answer.

I often have to be prodded, myself, to explain why I started a thread.

You did not like the vid I posted,

would it have been better if I had searched for something from hollywood.

I will not delete anything in the OP,
who knows, just one poor soul has been encouraged.

So, if you did not like, you did not like it, that,s it.
 
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This is what my old church tried to teach us on its better days! It will work by Holy Spirit rebirth.

You haven't said enough about dreams, yet.

Your mention of HS reminded me something Wynn Davies said to his congrgation (Kensington Temple)

Read this a good few years back.

He said following,
"If the HS were to be taken away, many here would not notice."
 
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"Reach for the moon, if you miss,
you will land among the stars."

"Most of us dream big when we are children,
but the great achievments in the world are accomplished
by people who did not stop dreaming when they grew up."
(Rosally Saltsman.)

When the exiles are gathered in, we wil have been like dreamers.

May the dream of the coming of the Messiah not fade.
may he come speedily in our days.
 
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You did not like the vid I posted,

would it have been better if I had searched for something from hollywood.

I will not delete anything in the OP,
who knows, just one poor soul has been encouraged.

So, if you did not like, you did not like it, that,s it.

Actually it was likeable, it probably transported me back so strongly to my half-asleep youth that I was stumped. The substance didn't grab me but it was very pleasant. I sense the theme of dreaming generally, plus figuring out why we're travelling, good themes.

You've given me a preacher name, I shall research him. That's a brave thing to say to a congregation.

Some people lap up that sort of thing, they congratulate themselves on having a bold preacher ;)
 
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Actually it was likeable, it probably transported me back so strongly to my half-asleep youth that I was stumped. The substance didn't grab me but it was very pleasant. I sense the theme of dreaming generally, plus figuring out why we're travelling, good themes.

You've given me a preacher name, I shall research him. That's a brave thing to say to a congregation.

It was some years ago, he moved shortly after.
I read it in the Swedish Pentecostal paper, "Dagen"

It was laying on a table when I was visiting a friend.

Some people lap up that sort of thing, they congratulate themselves on having a bold preacher ;)
 
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Wouldn't it be interesting if the dreams of Joseph were not inspired by God, but still they provided him with the hope he needed to get through difficulty circumstances?

My dream would be that there is some purpose to life that none of us can screw-up no matter how hard we try LOL.
 
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Wouldn't it be interesting if the dreams of Joseph were not inspired by God, but still they provided him with the hope he needed to get through difficulty circumstances?

My dream would be that there is some purpose to life that none of us can screw-up no matter how hard we try LOL.

Not without there being a purpose, does anything happen.

"And G-d happened upon Balaam....."

Such is the hallmark of evil and unholiness is an attitude of "it just happened."

In holiness, nothing is coincidental,
every event is significant and purposeful.

-Chassidic Masters.
 
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Said one to the other, "Behold, here comes the dreamer." Genesis 37:19

So what, let them talk, people will always talk.

Maybe this will shine a lttle light in the darkness.

Exodus 10:22-23


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Could there be a belief, that the Almighty, through our Saviour Jesus, might be asking us Christians to consider, that at this unusual period in our existence, whether or not we should start a dialogue about the bringing together all the different Faiths in Bond of Peace and Unity.
 
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Could there be a belief, that the Almighty, through our Saviour Jesus, might be asking us Christians to consider, that at this unusual period in our existence, whether or not we should start a dialogue about the bringing together all the different Faiths in Bond of Peace and Unity.

Yes it will happen, Isaiah 11:9.

We will become one, All will have knowledge of the Holy One blessed be He.

We are already in the beginning of the Messianic era,

As the Lubervitcher Rebbe stated.

And we will go into a time beyond time.
 
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Could there be a belief, that the Almighty, through our Saviour Jesus, might be asking us Christians to consider, that at this unusual period in our existence, whether or not we should start a dialogue about the bringing together all the different Faiths in Bond of Peace and Unity.
I've heard, and completely believe that we will not see peace in the world until all the various religions learn to pray together. Please note that's not saying they have to have the same beliefs. But just that they pray together. Occasionally with uniting events around the world we sometimes see budding signs of that hopefully happening.
 
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I've heard, and completely believe that we will not see peace in the world until all the various religions learn to pray together. Please note that's not saying they have to have the same beliefs. But just that they pray together. Occasionally with uniting events around the world we sometimes see budding signs of that hopefully happening.

When the Messiah is exposed the world will be astonished, "Who would have believed it?"

At that time all forms of religion will be as nought.

It is religions that divide.

Abraham preached for one hundred years,

"There is only one Creator, One G-d, one source,"

What do we need to do?

Acknowledge it.
 
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I've heard, and completely believe that we will not see peace in the world until all the various religions learn to pray together. Please note that's not saying they have to have the same beliefs. But just that they pray together. Occasionally with uniting events around the world we sometimes see budding signs of that hopefully happening.
It is also my understanding, that this present crisis was delivered to us, by the Almighty, with the intention that, literally closing down the population of our planet for this period of time, is going to create so much good for Mother Earth and Ourselves, on a tremendous scale, that we will only begin to comprehend, after a considerable period of time has elapsed. Let each each of us contemplate on that.
 
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