Can a lay person preside over the Lord's Supper?

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A virtual communion service wouldn't have people preside at home. Rather, they would be part of a celebration that is presided over by a minister in a central location. There's nothing in Reformed theology requiring the person presiding to touch the elements. In our church the elements served in the balcony start there, i.e. they aren't brought up from the floor.

The most famous example of this was a Presbyterian communion service where one of the members participating was on the moon.

The PCUSA has officially authorized virtual communion services, but they would have a pastor presiding. They don't actually say whether the people at home eat elements that they have prepared or not, though I think that's implied. Specifics are up to the Session.
http://oga.pcusa.org/site_media/med...ion_communion_in_an_emergency_or_pandemic.pdf

Yes, and the PCUSA is not confessionally Reformed, only in church government.
 
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hedrick, that would not be the Reformed position. The Confessions clearly express that the ministry of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:11-21) which includes the Lord's Supper belongs to ordained ministers.

WCF 27.4 states:

There are only two sacraments ordained by Christ our Lord in the Gospel; that is to say, Baptism, and the Supper of the Lord: neither of which may be dispensed by any, but by a minister of the Word lawfully ordained.

Larger Catechism Question No. 176 states: "The Sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper agree, in that the author of both is God; the spiritual part of both is Christ and His benefits; both are seals of the same covenant; are to be dispensed by ministers of the gospel, and by none other."
Right. But this is different from the Catholic position, where only the minister has the supernatural power to make communion happen. In the Reformed tradition, pastors have no special powers, but as a matter of church order they preside over communion.
 
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In the Reformed community we would say that there is nothing Biblical requiring it. However for a number of practical reasons we generally require a minister. (Traditionally that is expressed as "church order".) Some Reformed churches allow specially trained elders where there aren't enough pastors available. I have no problem with that.

But these are for normal situations. You could imagine odd emergency situations where a Christian community might authorize someone else. On the other hand, in a Reformed community I'd expect that in most situations that person would be elected an elder.

Westminster Directory:

As there were in the Jewish church elders of the people joined with the priests and Levites in the government of the church; so Christ, who hath instituted government, and governors ecclesiastical in the church, hath furnished some in his church, beside the ministers of the word, with gifts for government, and with commission to execute the same when called thereunto, who are to join with the minister in the government of the church. Which officers reformed churches commonly call Elders.

The pastor is an ordinary and perpetual officer in the church, prophesying of the time of the gospel.

First, it belongs to his office,

To pray for and with his flock, as the mouth of the people unto God, Acts vi. 2, 3, 4, and xx. 36, where preaching and prayer are joined as several parts of the same office. The office of the elder (that is, the pastor) is to pray for the sick, even in private, to which a blessing is especially promised; much more therefore ought he to perform this in the publick execution of his office, as a part thereof.

To read the Scriptures publickly; for the proof of which,
1. That the priests and Levites in the Jewish church were trusted with the publick reading of the word is proved.

2. That the ministers of the gospel have as ample a charge and commission to dispense the word, as well as other ordinances, as the priests and Levites had under the law, proved, Isa. lxvi. 21. Matt. xxiii. 34. where our Saviour entitleth the officers of the New Testament, whom he will send forth, by the same names of the teachers of the Old.

Which propositions prove, that therefore (the duty being of a moral nature) it followeth by just consequence, that the publick reading of the scriptures belongeth to the pastor's office.

To feed the flock, by preaching of the word, according to which he is to teach, convince, reprove, exhort, and comfort. To catechise, which is a plain laying down the first principles of the oracles of God, or of the doctrine of Christ, and is a part of preaching. To dispense other divine mysteries. To administer the sacraments.

To bless the people from God, Numb. vi. 23, 24, 25, 26. Compared with Rev. i.4, 5, ( where the same blessings, and persons from whom they come, are expressly mentioned,) Isa. lxvi. 21, where, under the names of Priests and Levites to be continued under the gospel, are meant evangelical pastors, who therefore are by office to bless the people. To take care of the poor. And he hath also a ruling power over the flock as a pastor.

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Right. But this is different from the Catholic position, where only the minister has the supernatural power to make communion happen. In the Reformed tradition, pastors have no special powers, but as a matter of church order they preside over communion.
Correct, no special powers, but a calling, one that not all of us are called to.
 
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That was what I was looking for when you claimed a family member didn't have faith. Proceed.

He was very good at public prayer. But he was rude, cynical, bigot in family gatherings. If saved Christians have an internal glow, my uncle had a stench.
 
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Right. But this is different from the Catholic position, where only the minister has the supernatural power to make communion happen. In the Reformed tradition, pastors have no special powers, but as a matter of church order they preside over communion.

This is where I also beg to differ with the Catholic position, He is the one who empowers not us...

We have transformed His work into human magic.
 
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In late 70s I was a member of my church's men's group, in a major Southern denomination, not then ordained or in ministry. Our men's group visited a nursing home 2d and 4th Sunday every month and conducted an informal worship service.
.....The mother of one of our church members became a resident of a nursing home a few blocks from the one we visited. We visited her one Sunday and learned that nursing home did not have any similar services. We talked to staff and arranged to also have worship services there. We alternated services 1st and 3rd Sunday one home 2d and 4th the other.
.....The president of the group, a good friend, suggested we have communion for our "congregations." We told our "congregations" and had communion the next visit.
.....One member of our men's group very huffily refused to participate saying he didn't believe in that. He evidently told our pastor who decreed that we were not to do that again since that was not a church and we were not ordained etc.
.....Did we do something wrong? One of the nursing home residents was saved that day. After the service I pushed an elderly lady in a wheelchair back to her room. I asked her if she wanted to go in her room or stay out in the hall. She stayed in the hall. As I started to leave she took my hand with both of hers and with tears in her eyes said, "Thank you so much for making that church for me That is the first time I have had communion since I don't know when." Did we do something wrong? I don't think so.
 
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Yes, but even Reformed folks wouldn't allow it. I believe to a regular American style conservative Baptist church and when I asked they said no only the spiritual Elders should be presiding over communion.

Sounds like what the Pharisees would have said to Jesus.
 
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Interestingly, back in the 70,s when we took communion with about 25 'at risk' street folk from different denominational backgrounds, we asked permission of each church to do this so as not to offend. Not one church objected. He turned up mightily and spontaneous healings occurred.
 
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Sounds like what the Pharisees would have said to Jesus.
Right. Not all Reformed folks take the Confessions quite so legalistically.

Der Alter's situation is an interesting one. I would have preferred to see a congregation sponsor what he was doing, and supply a pastor to celebrate communion. But in the situation he described, I think he was effectively an officer of the congregation, and while I would have preferred a different approach, I don't think what he did was wrong.

If his pastor wanted to do the right thing rather than just the legalistic thing, he should have arranged for a pastor to join them. A nursing home really should have access to a pastor. I'd feel more comfortable with that than depending entirely on a layperson without normal training for a pastor.
 
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I don't personally care one way or the other, but if in my home the father can preside over dinner, saying the blessing and making commencement, then I don't see why said individual is unqualified to preside over the ceremonial meal of communion. Each household is a church body all its own.

I would add as the Father presiding over the dinner meal, WE partake of Communion 365 days a year, because Jesus said do this in Remembrance of me.

1 Cor. 11:25,26
25) After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26) For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Having said that, it is up to the Individual, the Church, or Denomination to decide for themselves what they observe.

For those who would Spiritualize the observance of Communion into something which it is not, that is also their prerogative.

I take it, and understand it, as it was described by Paul, as a Remembrance of
Jesus and His Sacrifice for all mankind.
 
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I would add as the Father presiding over the dinner meal, we partake of Communion 365 days a year, because Jesus said do this in Remembrance of me.
'Give us this day our daily bread'
“I am the bread of life.'
Spiritual nourishment
 
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Okay, right off the bat I'll let you know where I stand by stating only ordained ministers of the Gospel can preside at the Lord's Supper.

A co-worker mentioned that her church was doing it "virtually" Easter Sunday by allowing each household to preside over the Lord's Supper...I was completely shocked (but shouldn't be).

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How many ordained ministers were there in the early church? I'm not ordained (by man anyway). Our household has been having the Lord's Supper for years. Paul addresses his instructions to the Church at Corinth. There no, "By the way, only an ordained man can lead it".

If I was doing something wrong, I should be sick or dead by now. We take it very seriously. I'm one who believes that every born again believer is a priest. That means that we are ordained by God, not man.
 
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Not arguing for Roman Catholicism but I was at World Youth Day in Toronto years ago. This event had 800,000 people in attendance and I would venture to say half took communion from the hand of a minister.
You mean half took half communion.
 
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How many ordained ministers were there in the early church? I'm not ordained (by man anyway).
We do not know, but if one minister can conduct a worship service today at which Holy Communion is featured and there are a hundred communicants, this can't really be the issue some people seem determined to make it out to be.

If I was doing something wrong, I should be sick or dead by now. We take it very seriously. I'm one who believes that every born again believer is a priest. That means that we are ordained by God, not man.
Kinda flies in the face of the various places in the new testament in which bishops, presbyters, and deacons are referred to and qualifications for being made one of them are itemized, doesn't it?
 
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This reminds me of the following passage...

36 As He rode along, the people spread their cloaks on the road. 37 And as He approached the descent from the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of disciples began to praise God joyfully in a loud voice for all the miracles they had seen:38 “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!”

“Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” 39 But some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples!”40 “I tell you,” He answered, “if they remain silent, the very stones will cry out.”

And so it is when ordinary folk celebrate in memory of Him.
 
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In late 70s I was a member of my church's men's group, in a major Southern denomination, not then ordained or in ministry. Our men's group visited a nursing home 2d and 4th Sunday every month and conducted an informal worship service.
.....The mother of one of our church members became a resident of a nursing home a few blocks from the one we visited. We visited her one Sunday and learned that nursing home did not have any similar services. We talked to staff and arranged to also have worship services there. We alternated services 1st and 3rd Sunday one home 2d and 4th the other.
.....The president of the group, a good friend, suggested we have communion for our "congregations." We told our "congregations" and had communion the next visit.
.....One member of our men's group very huffily refused to participate saying he didn't believe in that. He evidently told our pastor who decreed that we were not to do that again since that was not a church and we were not ordained etc.
.....Did we do something wrong? One of the nursing home residents was saved that day. After the service I pushed an elderly lady in a wheelchair back to her room. I asked her if she wanted to go in her room or stay out in the hall. She stayed in the hall. As I started to leave she took my hand with both of hers and with tears in her eyes said, "Thank you so much for making that church for me That is the first time I have had communion since I don't know when." Did we do something wrong? I don't think so.

Anecdotal.

God uses means, that includes irregular ones, that doesn't mean we make them the norm.
 
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Sounds like what the Pharisees would have said to Jesus.
That really means nothing on CF. Placing me in the Pharisees camp is the political equivalent of calling your opponent the short guy with the funny moustache.
 
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