John 10:27 is a Policy Statement

Phil W · Mar 30, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
Oh, but they will. 2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
But this judgment is to determine rewards or loss of rewards, not salvation.

That doesn't agree with Jesus' parable in Matt 7:22-23.
Those folks thought they would get salvation, but their iniquity-sin caused their "departure".

Phil W · Mar 30, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
Sure, works do manifest what is in the heart. But what is manifested isn't required for salvation.

I said:
"The only way anyone "changes from being a sinner to a non-sinner" is at the First Resurrection, when believers receive their resurrection bodies."

Your self deception runs very deep. Many verses tell us that a person possesses eternal life when they believe. And don't tell me that eternal life can die. Or words don't mean anything. Salvation is a present possession.

Those who serve sin, instead of God, are not believers.

I guess you just aren't aware of the fact that when Christ returns, all believers receive their resurrection bodies. Where have you been?

I'm quite aware, though I have no specific scripture to back up my feelings.
So you are saying that our resurrection with Christ, after our crucifixion and burial with Him, (Rom 6:3-6), is not the "first" resurrection you are referring to.

So you've basically rejected most of what Paul taught then.

I know Paul didn't teach that we get our glorified bodies at our resurrection with Jesus at our baptism into His death, burial and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-6)
In fact Paul said he still "had not yet attained" his glorified body, in Phil 3:11-12, 21.

Phil W · Mar 30, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
From bible hub.com
Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056 /télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056(telos).

[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
"But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;" (1 Peter 1:15)
Strong's Concordance
hagios: sacred, holy
Original Word: ἅγιος, ία, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: hagios
Phonetic Spelling: (hag'-ee-os)
Definition: sacred, holy
Usage: set apart by (or for) God, holy, sacred.
HELPS Word-studies
40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other ("otherness"), holy; for the believer, 40 (hágios) means "likeness of nature with the Lord" because "different from the world."

The fundamental (core) meaning of 40 (hágios) is "different" – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios ("holy") because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios ("holy") has the "technical" meaning "different from the world" because "like the Lord."

[40 (hágios) implies something "set apart" and therefore "different(distinguished/distinct)" – i.e. "other," because special to the Lord.]

You are adding to Scripture by your words "from committing sin". He didn't say that.

Jesus said, "Who soever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
Just after saying "the truth would make you free".
Why can't you put together that it is sin they were enslaved to?
And sin they could be made free of?

John 8
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
However, your larger error was including v.33 and 34 to what Jesus was telling those who believed in Him. When we get to v.33, the "they" refer back to the unbelieving Jews.
Here's the proof showing who Jesus was addressing:
30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him.
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

So the Jews could be freed from committing sin but we can't?

Of course His words were true. He IS the truth. But John describes those who "claim to be without sin" (as you do) to be self deceived and have NO TRUTH. 1 John 1:8
So, there you go.

Were your summation of 1 John 1:8 true, it would prove both verses 7 and 9 untrue.
They both say ALL our sins, ALL unrighteousness can be washed, cleansed, away.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 refer to those walking in light-God...in whom is no sin.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 apply to those walking in darkness--sin.

Phil W · Mar 30, 2020

Gr8Grace said:
Phil, your on par with the Lord Jesus Christ at this time in your life? Your as perfect as Jesus? Your as Holy As Jesus?

Your completely sinless and could pay for sins?

Jesus already did that, as He was sinless from birth but I only since rebirth.
Both of the seed of God.

How can you not SEE how absurd this is. Not to mention how degrading it is to the Lord Jesus Christ.

According to that...reasoning, only the sacrificial animals benefited from the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord of the faithful.

YOUR obedience is insanity and will save not ONE person.

You will be judged for those words if you don't repent of all sin forever.
Obedience to God is not insanity, it is our duty.

Phil W · Mar 30, 2020

Gr8Grace said:
Obviously you have not thought this through much. If your going to be literally as He is~~
Every thought Is in perfect accordance with the Father.
Every motive is in perfect accordance with the Father.
Every action is in perfect accordance with the Father
Everything you do, think and say is in perfect accordance to the Fathers will.

One tiny little slip up is SIN. And your as He is?

You can't see how silly this is?

All things are possible with God.
Even our perfection.
Or do you think that is impossible for God?

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

Gr8Grace said:
Phil, your on par with the Lord Jesus Christ at this time in your life? Your as perfect as Jesus? Your as Holy As Jesus?

Your completely sinless and could pay for sins?

How can you not SEE how absurd this is. Not to mention how degrading it is to the Lord Jesus Christ.

YOUR obedience is insanity and will save not ONE person.

His views are actually NOT "obedience" at all. Rather, rebellion against what Scripture says.

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

klutedavid said:
You inadvertently proved my point.

Why would you think I was "inadvertently" proving what Scripture says?

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

klutedavid said:
On the contrary, Paul has been arguing about the Jews since chapter two of Romans
You may have been taught a faulty interpretation of Romans.

btw, just what is your point again?

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

I said:
"Oh, but they will. 2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
But this judgment is to determine rewards or loss of rewards, not salvation."

Phil W said:
That doesn't agree with Jesus' parable in Matt 7:22-23.
Those folks thought they would get salvation, but their iniquity-sin caused their "departure".

No, rather, you just completely misunderstand what Matt 7:21-23 is about.

What is clear from the context is that no one in that crowd were appealing to Jesus on the basis of faith in Him "on that day". They all thought they had been EARNING their way into heaven. Just look at the basis of their appel for getting in: WORKS.

Ahd Jesus called them "workers of iniquity". That's what everyone is who thinks that salvation is a reward, something that is earned by their behavior or lifestyle.

We know that they NEVER had believed in Christ for salvation by Jesus' own words: "I NEVER knew you". Jesus DOES know those who have believed in Him.

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

Phil W said:
Those who serve sin, instead of God, are not believers.

Your talking point is getting rather tiring. You still can't support your pov from Scripture.

I'm quite aware, though I have no specific scripture to back up my feelings.

That's for sure!! That's your whole problem. Instead of having the TRUTH in you, you are self deceived and have NO TRUTH in you. Just as John pointed out in 1 John 1:8.

Those who claim to be "without sin" are "walking in darkness" because they are self deceived and have no truth in them.

So you are saying that our resurrection with Christ, after our crucifixion and burial with Him, (Rom 6:3-6), is not the "first" resurrection you are referring to.

The Bible says so.

Rev 20-
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

What, exactly, do you think 1 Thess 4:14-16 is describing?

14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

I know Paul didn't teach that we get our glorified bodies at our resurrection with Jesus at our baptism into His death, burial and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-6)
In fact Paul said he still "had not yet attained" his glorified body, in Phil 3:11-12, 21.

Thanks for agreeing with my point.

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

Phil W said:
Jesus said, "Who soever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
Just after saying "the truth would make you free".

The problem continues to be that you refuse to understand that "make you free" means free from the penalty of sin. Not the presence of sin, as you suppose.

Why can't you put together that it is sin they were enslaved to?

Yes, I have put it together. When Rom 6:16 is applied and the believer "present themselves to obey their sinful desires, they ARE slaves to sin. But they have the choice to present themselves to righteousness, which is walking in the light by confessing their sins (which you claim you have none of), and walking by the Spirit.

And sin they could be made free of?

Penalty, penalty, penalty. Why do you resist the obvious truth so much?

So the Jews could be freed from committing sin but we can't?

Jesus never said any such thing. Why do you keep forcing words into Jesus' mouth?

Were your summation of 1 John 1:8 true, it would prove both verses 7 and 9 untrue.

Rather, because of your self deception, you just cannot grasp the truth. In fact, John describes you, who claim to be without sin, to be self deceived and having no truth in you. So it makes senses that you don't understand much of Scripture.

They both say ALL our sins, ALL unrighteousness can be washed, cleansed, away.

When a believer confesses their sins, those sins are cleansed, along with "all unrighteousness". iow, God's cleansing is total.

But, my example of wiping your feet stands. Just because you wiped your feet once when they got dirty, doesn't mean you never have to wipe them again.

Verses 5, 7, and 9 refer to those walking in light-God...in whom is no sin.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 apply to those walking in darkness--sin.

I've explained it, but, being self deceived and having no truth, you have come to a totally wrong understanding.

You're just twisting the verses to take the heat off you, because YOU claim to be without sin. That's why John describes you and everyone else who makes the same claim to be self deceived and having no truth in them.

Question: does your pastor and your congregation make the claim that you do? That they are "without sin" as well?

Phil W · Mar 31, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
I said:
"Oh, but they will. 2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
But this judgment is to determine rewards or loss of rewards, not salvation."
No, rather, you just completely misunderstand what Matt 7:21-23 is about.

Oh well, why would you say anything else?

What is clear from the context is that no one in that crowd were appealing to Jesus on the basis of faith in Him "on that day". They all thought they had been EARNING their way into heaven. Just look at the basis of their appeal for getting in: WORKS.

Yet Jesus didn't get on their case about that, He pointed out that they still committed sin.

Ahd Jesus called them "workers of iniquity". That's what everyone is who thinks that salvation is a reward, something that is earned by their behavior or lifestyle.

Iniquity is sin.
Sinners will not inherit eternal life.
Jesus freed us from service to sin so we can serve Him.
But service to Him doesn't appeal to those who serve sin.
Jesus said no man can serve two masters, and they will love the one and hate the other.
Those who serve sin hate God. (Matt 6:24)

We know that they NEVER had believed in Christ for salvation by Jesus' own words: "I NEVER knew you". Jesus DOES know those who have believed in Him.

I agree, as sinners, workers of iniquity, are not believers.
They have put their trust into a false god with false doctrines.

Phil W · Mar 31, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
Your talking point is getting rather tiring. You still can't support your pov from Scripture.

If they were believers, they would realize what God is going to do to them because of their sin.
And they would quit working iniquity.

That's for sure!! That's your whole problem. Instead of having the TRUTH in you, you are self deceived and have NO TRUTH in you. Just as John pointed out in 1 John 1:8.

He was speaking of those who walk in darkness--sin in verses 8, 6, and 10.
Not those who walk in the light, God, and have had ALL THEIR SINS WASHED AWAY BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. (v 7)

Those who claim to be "without sin" are "walking in darkness" because they are self deceived and have no truth in them.

I agree, as no man walking in sin can say they have no sin.
Thank God though, for He has made it possible to walk in the light, God, wherein is no sin.

The Bible says so.
Rev 20-
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

I agree with you that our resurrection with Christ at our baptism into Jesus and into His death, burial, and resurrection is not the first resurrection spoken of in Rev 20.
I guess it also means there will be no conversions to Godliness during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

What, exactly, do you think 1 Thess 4:14-16 is describing?
14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

I think that everyone who had faith in the Lord will be raised from the dead, or changed, when Christ returns to take vengeance on the earth.

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

Phil W said:
Oh well, why would you say anything else?

There would be no reason to. I quote Scripture that actually says what I claim.

Yet Jesus didn't get on their case about that, He pointed out that they still committed sin.

Sure. Everyone does. Even the ones who "claim to be without sin".

Iniquity is sin.

Sure is. So is claiming to be without sin. Such claimers are seld deceived and have no truth in them.

[QUOT]Sinners will not inherit eternal life.[/QUOTE]
Show me a verse, please.

Jesus freed us from service to sin so we can serve Him.

Show me a verse, please.

But service to Him doesn't appeal to those who serve sin.

Of course not.

Jesus said no man can serve two masters, and they will love the one and hate the other.
Those who serve sin hate God. (Matt 6:24)

Right.

I agree, as sinners, workers of iniquity, are not believers.

Paul admitted in the PRESENT TENSE that he was the worst of sinners.

They have put their trust into a false god with false doctrines.

Those who "claim to be without sin" are self deceived and have no truth in them.

1 John 1:8 says exactly that.

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

Phil W said:
If they were believers, they would realize what God is going to do to them because of their sin.
And they would quit working iniquity.

Yes, God does discipline His disobedient children. Painfully. But just not with the second death, as you claim.

He was speaking of those who walk in darkness--sin in verses 8, 6, and 10.
Not those who walk in the light, God, and have had ALL THEIR SINS WASHED AWAY BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. (v 7)

You're not reading the verses as obviously stated. What you refuse to accept is that having one's "sins washed away" isn't literal. It refers to the penalty for those sins. Just as He paid the sin debt. The penalty for sin (the second death) has been paid. All that's left for a human being to do is accept the free gift of eternal life by faith in Christ.

I agree, as no man walking in sin can say they have no sin.

1 John 1:8 says "IF WE claim to be without sin, WE are self deceived and have no truth in US."

I'm just amazed that you can't see yourself in v.8. It speaks to what YOU claim.

Thank God though, for He has made it possible to walk in the light, God, wherein is no sin.

Yes He has. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. But, the believer must be in fellowship, by having confessed their sins (wiping their feet, so to speak), and then being filled with the Holy Spirit. But you have indicated that none of this is familiar to you. But it's all in the Bible, as I have shown.

I agree with you that our resurrection with Christ at our baptism into Jesus and into His death, burial, and resurrection is not the first resurrection spoken of in Rev 20.

Yes, Rev 20 speaks of the first resurrection. It plainly SAYS SO.

Phil W · Mar 31, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
The problem continues to be that you refuse to understand that "make you free" means free from the penalty of sin. Not the presence of sin, as you suppose.

I guess you think you found something God cannot do, in spite of what scripture says. (Mark 10:27)
The only folks free of the penalty of sin are those who quit committing sin.
Something God made possible by our baptism into Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection as new creatures, of Godly seed.

Yes, I have put it together. When Rom 6:16 is applied and the believer "present themselves to obey their sinful desires, they ARE slaves to sin. But they have the choice to present themselves to righteousness, which is walking in the light by confessing their sins (which you claim you have none of), and walking by the Spirit.

Thank God for freeing us from sinful desires, as it is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
No lusts...no evil desires.

Penalty, penalty, penalty. Why do you resist the obvious truth so much?

First, because the word "penalty" is not in the bible in the c=verses I live by.
Second, I am free from sin, so free from its penalties too.

Jesus never said any such thing. Why do you keep forcing words into Jesus' mouth?

He did say it, in John 8:32-34.
Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

Rather, because of your self deception, you just cannot grasp the truth. In fact, John describes you, who claim to be without sin, to be self deceived and having no truth in you. So it makes senses that you don't understand much of Scripture.

The truth has freed me form committing sin, just as Jesus said it would in John 8:32-34.
Deceptions keep men locked up into sin.
Truth frees them from sin.

When a believer confesses their sins, those sins are cleansed, along with "all unrighteousness". iow, God's cleansing is total.

So they can say they have no sin...right?

Question: does your pastor and your congregation make the claim that you do? That they are "without sin" as well?

Yes.
Isn't the first requirement of being a bishop..."A bishop then must be blameless,..."?
My bishop fulfills that requirement.
We walk in the light, God, wherein is no sin.

Phil W · Mar 31, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
There would be no reason to. I quote Scripture that actually says what I claim.

If it did say "what you claim", I would immediately go back to the drugs that caged me for decades.
And a host of other manifestations of unbelief.
I could go out and do all the things that I am now sure would have damned my soul.
No thanks.
I have been freed form all sin, and have no desire to return to my cage.

Sure. Everyone does. Even the ones who "claim to be without sin".

I honestly don't think you know what walking in the light means.

Show me a verse, (pertaining to Sinners will not inherit eternal life), please.

Sure, Rom 2:6-8..." Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,"
And there is this..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

Paul admitted in the PRESENT TENSE that he was the worst of sinners.

What he admitted was that he was the worst of those saved.
That is not an admission of continued guilt.

Those who "claim to be without sin" are self deceived and have no truth in them.

True enough, if coming from those walking in darkness.
Those walking in light can claim it truthfully.

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

Phil W said:
I guess you think you found something God cannot do, in spite of what scripture says. (Mark 10:27)

Your "analysis" of what I believe falls far short of what I believe.

The only folks free of the penalty of sin are those who quit committing sin.

Since Christ died for all sin, the penalty has been removed. He paid the penalty.

That should get you to thinking, how can that be since unbelievers will end up in hell. Right! But not as a penalty for their sins. Because eternity has only 2 "residences"; either with God or without God.

The only people qualified to be with God are those who believed in Christ and received the free gift of eternal life.

Those who rejected the free gift, either actively or passively (didn't care, didn't pay attention, no interest) don't receive the free gift of eternal life and are not qualified to be with God.

Remember that God created the lake of fire for Satan and his angels. Matt 25:41 - “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Thank God for freeing us from sinful desires, as it is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
No lusts...no evil desires.

So then, you don't believe what Paul wrote:
Gal 5:16 - So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Paul isn't commanding peope to be saved by "walking by the Spirit". He's commanding believers to be filled with the Spirit, which is the ONLY WAY a believer will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

But having no truth in you means that you can't understand this verse.

First, because the word "penalty" is not in the bible in the c=verses I live by.
Second, I am free from sin, so free from its penalties too.

Well, I know that you aren't free from sin. I've already shared the pertinent verses. But being self deceived and having no truth, I understand why you keep rejecting the truth.

The truth has freed me form committing sin, just as Jesus said it would in John 8:32-34.

The apostle John says you don't have the truth in you, because you "claim to be without sin".

1 John 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Deceptions keep men locked up into sin.

John said you are self deceived.

Truth frees them from sin.

John says you don't have the truth in you.

What you fail to realize is that it is the CLAIM TO BE WITHOUT SIN that is the problem, which led John to pronounce such "claimers" to be self deceived and having no truth in them. But that is exactly what v.8 says.

So they can say they have no sin...right?

No, John SAYS those who make that claim are self deceived and have no truth in them.

Isn't the first requirement of being a bishop..."A bishop then must be blameless,..."?
My bishop fulfills that requirement.
We walk in the light, God, wherein is no sin.

Nope. Examine v.6 "If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth."

You are claiming to "have fellowship", yet, because you also CLAIM TO BE WITHOUT SIN, you are self deceived and have no truth in you, which is the SAME as "walking in the darkness.

John describes YOU as lying and "not living out the truth". Because "the truth is not in you".

Both v.6 and v.8 describe you to a T. And your bishop, if he claims what you claim.

Is your church a "holiness" church? That would be my guess.

Phil W · Mar 31, 2020

FreeGrace2 said:
Yes, God does discipline His disobedient children. Painfully. But just not with the second death, as you claim.

If those alleged believers won't straighten up, what happens to them?
What if they never quit working iniquity?

You're not reading the verses as obviously stated. What you refuse to accept is that having one's "sins washed away" isn't literal. It refers to the penalty for those sins. Just as He paid the sin debt. The penalty for sin (the second death) has been paid. All that's left for a human being to do is accept the free gift of eternal life by faith in Christ.

The verses are there in plain olde English.
You are applying the same outcome to both those walking in light and in darkness.
It just can't be so.

John 1:8 says "IF WE claim to be without sin, WE are self deceived and have no truth in US."

And verse 7 says "IF WE walk in the light as He is in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship One with another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth ALL OUR SIN."
I walk in the light, and have had all my past sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
I can say "I have no sin" as long as I chose to remain in the light.

I'm just amazed that you can't see yourself in v.8. It speaks to what YOU claim.

I'm equally surprised you can't see that there are two differing ways to walk.
By the grace of God I have chosen to walk in the light, which is God, and there is no sin in here.

Yes He has. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. But, the believer must be in fellowship, by having confessed their sins (wiping their feet, so to speak), and then being filled with the Holy Spirit. But you have indicated that none of this is familiar to you. But it's all in the Bible, as I have shown.
If you have confessed your sins, what happens to you?
Are you going to continue to walk with those sins on you?
If they are forgiven, can't you say you have no sin?

FreeGrace2 · Mar 31, 2020

I said:
"I quote Scripture that actually says what I claim."

Phil W said:
If it did say "what you claim", I would immediately go back to the drugs that caged me for decades.

I have been quoting and stating 1 John 1:8 over and over. So what I "claim" is exactly what the Bible says. So you seem to be saying that what the Bible claims would cause you immediately go back to the drugs you took for decades. How does that make sense?

I have been freed form all sin, and have no desire to return to my cage.

The apostle John describes you as self deceived and having no truth in you.

I honestly don't think you know what walking in the light means.

I know that you don't know what it means. To EVEN claim to be without sin MEANS that you are self deceived and have no truth in you.

I said:
"Show me a verse, (pertaining to Sinners will not inherit eternal life), please."
Sure, Rom 2:6-8..." Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:[/QUOTE]
You need to start reading from v.1. Paul was addressing legalists who thought (like you) that they could be good enough to receive eternal life. But that is not what Paul was saying. The problem is "patient continuance in well doing". No one can sustain sinlessness. Only Jesus could and did. He was sinless. You are sinful. But self deceived and have no truth in you.

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,"
And there is this..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

This verse is one of 3 in parallel. The others are found in 1 Cor 6 and Eph 5. Here, and in 1 Cor 6, Paul used the phrase "shall not inherit the kingdom". But in Eph 5, Paul used the phrase "have no inheritance IN the kingdom".

One thing is sure here. Since all 3 passages are parallel, whatever they are referring to is the SAME THING. And Eph 5 says "have no inheritance IN the kingdom". What it doesn't say is "not enter the kingdom". iow, such sinful believers WILL enter the kingdom, but have NO inheritance IN the kingdom.

What he admitted was that he was the worst of those saved.

This statement reveals your inner conflicting and contradictory ideas.

You have claimed that believers no longer sin, because they are new creatures. If that were true, then ALL believers would be JUST ALIKE. There wouldn't be better and worst of believers.

That is not an admission of continued guilt.

Your self deception and lack of truth keeps you from understanding anything in the Bible.

True enough, if coming from those walking in darkness.
Those walking in light can claim it truthfully.

This is a great example of how you totally misunderstand the verses.

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