Jesus and Judging Others

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Lord Jesus says in John 7:24, “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” He said this to Jews who criticized him for healing another person on the Sabbath. To put this in context, Jesus in the preceding verse says in John 7:23, “If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man's whole body well?”

John 7:24 gives us the authority to judge others, but Verse 23 says to temper our judgement so as to not be critical of others if we are doing the same thing. Indeed, in Matthew 7:1-2 Jesus says, “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” As we’ve seen in John 7:23, Jesus criticizes the Jews for doing the thing which Jesus had done, which was to engage in a form of work on the Sabbath in the interests of God. Is this not hypocrisy, of which Lord Jesus was highly critical?

If we are to judge others, we should regard it as an act which fulfills the means, not as a measure one uses for self-description. If a person is to only be known for being, say, ‘a good judge of character,’ is that enough to get the person into the House of the Lord? What good is it without works to show the benefit of such judgment coming from that person? And whoever engages in judging others should ensure that some good arises from which God would ultimately approve.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, “...what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. ‘Purge the evil person from among you.’” So, the parameter is laid...any judgment we engage in is to judge among ourselves, and to not bother with judging those who have nothing to do with us. In that regard, what purpose does it serve to be critical of a village in Africa if we have no personal or business relations with them, or they have no effect on us? Perhaps if that village was, say, spreading a disease to those we do have such interests in, they may fall within our judgment and we would act accordingly to protect our interests. Otherwise, 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 suggests leaving well enough alone.

And in the framework described, I tell you it is OK to hold our leaders to our judgement. Romans 13:1 recognizes those who rule as an extension of God, therefore, those who don’t so rule would be rightfully judged as the evil to be purged in our midst. To be sure, 2 John 1:9-11 says, “Everyone who goes on a head and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.” Lord Jesus says the whole Law and the prophets can be summed up in two great commandments with the second one being to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Whoever has disdain for their neighbor, then, such leaders, are effectively rebuking Jesus’ second commandment and are therefore not acting in the interests of God and have no inclination nor open-mindedness that they may act in the interests of God; they are beyond being taught or shown how to act n a godly manner.

What about the point that none of us, who may be inclined to judge others, are not perfect? Does that mean we are to hesitate before throwing stones? Well, before throwing stones, we should consider if the possible recipient of our stones can learn a lesson and ‘sin no more,’ as Jesus says to a woman in John 8:11, that they should be spared our stones. What about those of us who have committed the very act for which we are considering throwing stones at an individual? Before we throw stones, we should ask for God’s forgiveness and strive to ‘sin no more’ before being in a situation that may compel us to throw stones.

Above all, we should be mindful that we may be rightfully judged in what we judge others, so we should take care that our judgment doesn’t go astray.
 

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If we are to judge others, we should regard it as an act which fulfills the means, not as a measure one uses for self-description. If a person is to only be known for being, say, ‘a good judge of character,’ is that enough to get the person into the House of the Lord? What good is it without works to show the benefit of such judgment coming from that person? And whoever engages in judging others should ensure that some good arises from which God would ultimately approve.

This one paragraph is rubbish not supported at all by the scriptures you posted.
Here they are again:
What Does the Bible Say About Judging?
 
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Lord Jesus says in John 7:24, “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” He said this to Jews who criticized him for healing another person on the Sabbath. To put this in context, Jesus in the preceding verse says in John 7:23, “If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man's whole body well?”

We can judge our own sins, but not that of others.
 
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John 7:24 gives us the authority to judge others, .

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Now, let us research "right judgment."

English Standard Version
Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Leviticus 19:15
"You must not pervert justice; you must not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the rich; you are to judge your neighbor fairly.

Deuteronomy 1:16
At that time I charged your judges: "Hear the disputes between your brothers, and judge fairly between a man and his brother or a foreign resident.

Isaiah 11:3
And He will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what His eyes see, and He will not decide by what His ears hear,

Zechariah 7:9
"This is what the LORD of Hosts says: 'Administer true justice. Show loving devotion and compassion to one another.

John 8:15
You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.


"Right Judgment" is regarding sitting judges in trials to not favor the rich or discriminate against foreigners.


1 Corinthians 2:15

The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

The spiritual person can judge our own sins in the world, but not that of others.
 
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This one paragraph is rubbish not supported at all by the scriptures you posted.
Here they are again:
What Does the Bible Say About Judging?


What part of that paragraph was rubbish? Paul explains that judgement should remain in the church and that its purpose is to keep the church pure. He specifically excludes judgement against those outside the church. So there is a good judgement and it can result in good.
 
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What part of that paragraph was rubbish?

The entire paragraph. Each word. Each idea is rubbish.

newton3005 said:
If we are to judge others, we should regard it as an act which fulfills the means, not as a measure one uses for self-description. If a person is to only be known for being, say, ‘a good judge of character,’ is that enough to get the person into the House of the Lord? What good is it without works to show the benefit of such judgment coming from that person? And whoever engages in judging others should ensure that some good arises from which God would ultimately approve.

The spiritual person can judge our own sins in the world, but not that of others.
 
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The entire paragraph. Each word. Each idea is rubbish.

newton3005 said:
If we are to judge others, we should regard it as an act which fulfills the means, not as a measure one uses for self-description. If a person is to only be known for being, say, ‘a good judge of character,’ is that enough to get the person into the House of the Lord? What good is it without works to show the benefit of such judgment coming from that person? And whoever engages in judging others should ensure that some good arises from which God would ultimately approve.


You don't seem to be able to explain your objection. I still do not understand what specifically you think is wrong.
 
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What part of that paragraph was rubbish? Paul explains that judgement should remain in the church and that its purpose is to keep the church pure. He specifically excludes judgement against those outside the church. So there is a good judgement and it can result in good.

Paul was a legalist judging person. His personality never changed. Only "his enemies" changed.
 
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Ananias and his wife were judged by Peter.
But not by Jesus. Jesus suggested to people that they stop sinning while looking at the ground and writing in the sand. After forgiving them and explaining he did not judge their behavior.
 
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Ananias and his wife were judged by Peter.


And Peter was judged by Paul.

11 When Cephas came to Antioch, however, I opposed him to his face, because he stood to be condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group
 
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Paul was a legalist judging person. His personality never changed. Only "his enemies" changed.

Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote. On what basis do you reject Christ's chosen apostle?
 
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But not by Jesus. Jesus suggested to people that they stop sinning while looking at the ground and writing in the sand. After forgiving them and explaining he did not judge their behavior.

Uh...God killed them both on the spot. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that Jesus agreed with the judgement.
 
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Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote. On what basis do you reject Christ's chosen apostle?
You were inspired to write your post by the Holy Spirit as well.
 
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Uh...God killed them both on the spot. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that Jesus agreed with the judgement.
Everyone dies. You are right to give God credit for everything.
Judgment does not come until judgment day. Don't fall into the
trap of thinking physical death is a punishment. We all get that.
 
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But not by Jesus. Jesus suggested to people that they stop sinning while looking at the ground and writing in the sand. After forgiving them and explaining he did not judge their behavior.

Are you saying that Peter sinned in judging them ?
 
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You were inspired to write your post by the Holy Spirit as well.

No, I wasn't. I'm not in the same category as the apostles. I'm just trying to understand why you have a problem with appropriate judgement inside the church.
 
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Everyone dies. You are right to give God credit for everything.
Judgment does not come until judgment day. Don't fall into the
trap of thinking death is a punishment.

I give God credit because he struck them both dead for lying to the Holy Spirit about a sacred duty we have as Christians - giving. They were given a chance to repent from their lies and they failed.

"God is light and there is no darkness in him (not even one)."

Since they did not repent of their sin, I can't see that their deaths were anything other than punishment. They were motivated by greed and they did not have to lie about holding back profit. They could have held back as much profit as they wished as long as they were honest about it.

I think it's pretty strange to see such a stark example of punishment and to wave it off as unimportant. It was written down as instruction to us.
 
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Judgement is making an accusation. It was the Jewish tradition that any accuser must be the first to cast a stone at the stoning. Jesus said “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first”. So much for judgement.

Are we to single out sinners (which we all are) or point out to all that in every particular case, the will of God was not put before the will of man. As a result not persecuting an individual but constantly reminding everyone that God's will comes first. After all, sin is nothing more than putting our will ahead of the will of God, which is love all as self.

Of course what Jesus taught will go over partisan heads.
 
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No, I wasn't. I'm not in the same category as the apostles. I'm just trying to understand why you have a problem with appropriate judgement inside the church.
Because there is no "appropriate judgement inside the church". That's like saying that you can judge people as long as you are in the company of Jesus. Its a myth. And really stupid if you think about it. Was Jesus all judgy with his followers over non-believers? He was not.
 
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