Is the Old Law Obsolete?

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Some have asserted that the Old Law, meaning the Law of the Old Testament, is obsolete. I guess the inference is that either the New testament reflects a new Law, or the Law of the Old Testament is disregarded by Lord Jesus. They infer that the Old Law can be ignored. But is that what Lord Jesus really expects us to do? And is that what a passage in the Bible such as Hebrews 6:1 which says “Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God...” means? As 2 Timothy 3:16 says “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...,” it behooves me to address passages such as Hebrews 6:1 in answering these questions.

The short answer is that, to the extent Jesus refers to the Old Law, it is not obsolete. There are many passages in the Old Law that Jesus refers to in his teachings. A notable one concerns the issue of divorce. In Matthew 19:3, the Pharisees go up to Jesus and ask him if it’s lawful to divorce one’s wife. Jesus in verses 4-6 responds, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘THEREFORE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER AND HOLD FAST TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Where can we find the passage that Jesus is quoting? It is in Genesis 2:24, of the Old Testament or Old Law if you will, which says, “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” It appears then that Jesus did not discard at least some passages in the Old Law as being obsolete.

To be sure, Jesus in Matthew 5:17-18 says “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law...”

So where does that leave us? Some may say to look at Hebrews 6:1 stated above. In deference to 2 Timothy 3:16 saying at ALL Scripture is breathed out by God, we must consider what this passage means in our being taught by the Scriptures. We must also consider 1 Timothy 6:3-4 which says, “If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing...” Is there a contradiction between the two passages?

We must consider what is meant by “the elementary doctrine of Christ” in Hebrews 6:1. Commentators wrote that the doctrine referred to here is the one Jesus first reflects in what he says to the Jews. At that point, Jesus is not ready to say to the Jews to ignore any part of the Old Law, including the Laws regarded as ceremonial. Commentators wrote that “leaving the elementary doctrine of Christ” involves leaving the ceremonial part of the Old Law, which is parts of the Law that require that certain acts be performed in fulfillment of the Law. Arguably, one such ceremonial Law involves keeping kosher. In that regard, there is support in Matthew 15:10-11 in which Jesus says, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” This opened the door to eating things from a pig as well as things that crawl on the floor of the ocean such as lobsters, crabs, oysters and shrimp, does it not? So, the “elementary doctrine of Christ” is the part of the Old Law namely, the ceremonial Laws, which Jesus does not at first tell the Jews they can ignore.

In the context of the whole Bible, though, Hebrews 6:1 is not necessarily a command. The Book of James leaves it up to Christians to choose whether they are to abide by the whole Law of the Old Testament, or abide by Lord Jesus’ summation of the Law and the prophets, but he give us a caveat if we strive to abide strictly by the Old Law. In James 2:8-10 he says, “If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For WHOEVER KEEPS THE WHOLE LAW BUT FAILS IN ONE POINT has become guilty of all of it.” Much easier to abide by Lord Jesus’ summation which consists of two Commandments: That we love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and that we love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

In fairness, James may have been addressing Jews in the above passages. But if Jews abide by the teachings of Jesus, and many of them, including Jesus followers did, are they not as much Christians as all other Christians? Paul was Jewish before he became a Christian, was he not?

So, is the Old Law obsolete? I tell you, by no means.
 

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Some have asserted that the Old Law, meaning the Law of the Old Testament, is obsolete. I guess the inference is that either the New testament reflects a new Law, or the Law of the Old Testament is disregarded by Lord Jesus. They infer that the Old Law can be ignored. But is that what Lord Jesus really expects us to do? And is that what a passage in the Bible such as Hebrews 6:1 which says “Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God...” means? As 2 Timothy 3:16 says “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...,” it behooves me to address passages such as Hebrews 6:1 in answering these questions.

The short answer is that, to the extent Jesus refers to the Old Law, it is not obsolete. There are many passages in the Old Law that Jesus refers to in his teachings. A notable one concerns the issue of divorce. In Matthew 19:3, the Pharisees go up to Jesus and ask him if it’s lawful to divorce one’s wife. Jesus in verses 4-6 responds, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘THEREFORE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER AND HOLD FAST TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Where can we find the passage that Jesus is quoting? It is in Genesis 2:24, of the Old Testament or Old Law if you will, which says, “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” It appears then that Jesus did not discard at least some passages in the Old Law as being obsolete.

To be sure, Jesus in Matthew 5:17-18 says “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law...”

So where does that leave us? Some may say to look at Hebrews 6:1 stated above. In deference to 2 Timothy 3:16 saying at ALL Scripture is breathed out by God, we must consider what this passage means in our being taught by the Scriptures. We must also consider 1 Timothy 6:3-4 which says, “If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing...” Is there a contradiction between the two passages?

We must consider what is meant by “the elementary doctrine of Christ” in Hebrews 6:1. Commentators wrote that the doctrine referred to here is the one Jesus first reflects in what he says to the Jews. At that point, Jesus is not ready to say to the Jews to ignore any part of the Old Law, including the Laws regarded as ceremonial. Commentators wrote that “leaving the elementary doctrine of Christ” involves leaving the ceremonial part of the Old Law, which is parts of the Law that require that certain acts be performed in fulfillment of the Law. Arguably, one such ceremonial Law involves keeping kosher. In that regard, there is support in Matthew 15:10-11 in which Jesus says, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” This opened the door to eating things from a pig as well as things that crawl on the floor of the ocean such as lobsters, crabs, oysters and shrimp, does it not? So, the “elementary doctrine of Christ” is the part of the Old Law namely, the ceremonial Laws, which Jesus does not at first tell the Jews they can ignore.

In the context of the whole Bible, though, Hebrews 6:1 is not necessarily a command. The Book of James leaves it up to Christians to choose whether they are to abide by the whole Law of the Old Testament, or abide by Lord Jesus’ summation of the Law and the prophets, but he give us a caveat if we strive to abide strictly by the Old Law. In James 2:8-10 he says, “If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For WHOEVER KEEPS THE WHOLE LAW BUT FAILS IN ONE POINT has become guilty of all of it.” Much easier to abide by Lord Jesus’ summation which consists of two Commandments: That we love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and that we love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

In fairness, James may have been addressing Jews in the above passages. But if Jews abide by the teachings of Jesus, and many of them, including Jesus followers did, are they not as much Christians as all other Christians? Paul was Jewish before he became a Christian, was he not?

So, is the Old Law obsolete? I tell you, by no means.

I agree with this post besides one part which i will quote. The only thing we are not to observe is the ritual aspect of the law. The bible defines sin as the transgression of the law:

1 John 3:4 KJV — Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The law only function is to show us our sin. If there was no law, there would be no sin.

Satan wants people to believe that the law of God is abolished, and by doing so he leads people to sin.

We must consider what is meant by “the elementary doctrine of Christ” in Hebrews 6:1. Commentators wrote that the doctrine referred to here is the one Jesus first reflects in what he says to the Jews. At that point, Jesus is not ready to say to the Jews to ignore any part of the Old Law, including the Laws regarded as ceremonial. Commentators wrote that “leaving the elementary doctrine of Christ” involves leaving the ceremonial part of the Old Law, which is parts of the Law that require that certain acts be performed in fulfillment of the Law. Arguably, one such ceremonial Law involves keeping kosher. In that regard, there is support in Matthew 15:10-11 in which Jesus says, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” This opened the door to eating things from a pig as well as things that crawl on the floor of the ocean such as lobsters, crabs, oysters and shrimp, does it not? So, the “elementary doctrine of Christ” is the part of the Old Law namely, the ceremonial Laws, which Jesus does not at first tell the Jews they can ignore

The dietary laws are still in affect. God gave the Jews those laws so they can be in good health. He expects us on this side of the cross to do the same. True he created all those animals but they weren't all meant for food.
 
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Some have asserted that the Old Law, meaning the Law of the Old Testament, is obsolete.....
So, is the Old Law obsolete? I tell you, by no means.

Sure. But it was not my idea. The first I heard about it was
while researching the New Covenant:

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Hebrews 7:18-19
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Hebrews 7:11-12
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Hebrews 9:9-10
(which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Luke 22:20
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Hebrews 8:6
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.

Hebrews 8:7-8
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.




 
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1 John 2:4

The one saying, "I have known Him," and not keeping His directions, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9

Whosoever is born of YHWH does not commit sin; for His seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of YHWH.

1 John 3:4

Whoever commits sin transgresses also the LAW: for sin is the transgression of the LAW.

Matthew 7:23

But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who work lawlessness.


Matthew 13:41- English Standard Version

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,

Matthew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, King, King, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father (keeps His Commandments) in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, King, King, have we not prophesied in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then will I (Yahusha) declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (you who are without The Law of Yahuah).

Matthew 7:23 - New Living Translation

But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'

Matthew 13:41- English Standard Version

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,

Matthew 23:28 - Weymouth New Testament

The same is true of you: outwardly you seem to the human eye to be good and honest men, but, within, you are full of insincerity and disregard of God's Law.

Matthew 24:12 - New American Standard Bible

"Because lawlessness is increased (The Law defines love), most people's love will grow cold

Romans 4:7 - GOD'S WORD® Translation

"Blessed are those whose disobedience (to The Law) is forgiven and whose sins (against The Law) are pardoned.

Romans 6:19 - International Standard Version

I am speaking in simple terms because of the frailty of your human nature. Just as you once offered the parts of your body as slaves to impurity and to greater and greater disobedience (to The Law), so now, in the same way, you must offer the parts of your body as slaves to righteousness (which is keeping The Law) that leads to sanctification.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - English Standard Version

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers (true believers keep The Law). For what partnership has righteousness (law keepers) with lawlessness (law breakers)?

2 Thessalonians 2:7 - International Standard Version

For the secret of this lawlessness (the false doctrine that Jesus abolished The Law) is already at work

Titus 2:14 - English Standard Version

who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works (of The Law).

Hebrews 1:9 - Holman Christian Standard Bible

You have loved righteousness (kept The Law) and hated lawlessness (disregard for The Law); this is why Yahuah, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.

Hebrews 8:12 - King James 2000 Bible

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness (breaking The Law), and their sins (against The Law) and their iniquities (contempt for The Law) will I remember no more.

1 John 3:4 - King James 2000 Bible

Whosoever commits sin transgresses also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
 
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Yes, its obsolete.

It was given to a specific tribal society and is not applicable to our modern society anymore. It was finished 2,000 years ago in the person of Jesus Christ.
Agree. As Paul writes in Romans: “the end of the Law: Christ.”
 
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1) Christ is the end of the Law to everyone who believes (Romans 10:4)

2) The Law was until Christ, the last OT person was John the Baptist. (Gal 3:24, L 16:16)

3) Its foolish to return to works of the Law after we have believed the gospel. (Galatians 3:3,5)

4) Paul (being even a Jew by birth) said that he is NOT under the Law. (1 Corinthians 9:20)

5) We have been released from the Law to serve in a new way. (Romans 7:6)

6) We died to the Law so that we can belong to Christ. (Romans 7:4)

7) In the Old Testament itself its clearly implied that its obsolete, outdated and will soon disappear. The new covenant will be made. (Jer 31:31, Hebrews 8:13)

8) Jesus broke down the fence of the Law because he abolished the Law including its commands and regulations. (Ephesians 2:15)

9) The Law is made for ungodly, rebels, sinful, murderes of fathers and mothers, for homosexuals, liars, sexually immoral etc. (1 Tm 1:9-10)

10) The Law was not given to make us righteous, but to become concious of our sin. (R 3:20)

11) The Law is not based on faith. (Gal 3:12)

12) The Law made nothing perfect, but served as an introduction of a better hope we have in Christ. (Heb 7:19)
 
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How do reach this conclusion? In Leviticus 20, God says the laws are given to set the Jew apart from the other nations.

Can you show me exactly where that is written? I've read two different translations and I couldn't find that in scripture. I even went back to the original Hebrew....still I couldn't find that verse.
 
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Can you show me exactly where that is written? I've read two different translations and I couldn't find that in scripture. I even went back to the original Hebrew....still I couldn't find that verse.
Leviticus 20:25-26.
 
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) The Law was until Christ, the last OT person was John the Baptist. (Gal 3:24, L 16:16)

Really?

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

John died while Messiah faithfully continued to keep the Torah.
 
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Leviticus 20:25-26.

See verse 2 for context. He's not talking about the Jews. He talking about the sons of Israel

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
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1 John 2:4

The one saying, "I have known Him," and not keeping His directions, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9

Whosoever is born of YHWH does not commit sin; for His seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of YHWH.

1 John 3:4

Whoever commits sin transgresses also the LAW: for sin is the transgression of the LAW.

Matthew 7:23

But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who work lawlessness.


Matthew 13:41- English Standard Version

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,

Matthew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, King, King, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father (keeps His Commandments) in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, King, King, have we not prophesied in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then will I (Yahusha) declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (you who are without The Law of Yahuah).

Matthew 7:23 - New Living Translation

But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'

Matthew 13:41- English Standard Version

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,

Matthew 23:28 - Weymouth New Testament

The same is true of you: outwardly you seem to the human eye to be good and honest men, but, within, you are full of insincerity and disregard of God's Law.

Matthew 24:12 - New American Standard Bible

"Because lawlessness is increased (The Law defines love), most people's love will grow cold

Romans 4:7 - GOD'S WORD® Translation

"Blessed are those whose disobedience (to The Law) is forgiven and whose sins (against The Law) are pardoned.

Romans 6:19 - International Standard Version

I am speaking in simple terms because of the frailty of your human nature. Just as you once offered the parts of your body as slaves to impurity and to greater and greater disobedience (to The Law), so now, in the same way, you must offer the parts of your body as slaves to righteousness (which is keeping The Law) that leads to sanctification.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - English Standard Version

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers (true believers keep The Law). For what partnership has righteousness (law keepers) with lawlessness (law breakers)?

2 Thessalonians 2:7 - International Standard Version

For the secret of this lawlessness (the false doctrine that Jesus abolished The Law) is already at work

Titus 2:14 - English Standard Version

who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works (of The Law).

Hebrews 1:9 - Holman Christian Standard Bible

You have loved righteousness (kept The Law) and hated lawlessness (disregard for The Law); this is why Yahuah, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.

Hebrews 8:12 - King James 2000 Bible

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness (breaking The Law), and their sins (against The Law) and their iniquities (contempt for The Law) will I remember no more.

1 John 3:4 - King James 2000 Bible

Whosoever commits sin transgresses also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

Jesus fulfilled the law and so is able to offer us Grace.
 
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Really?

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

John died while Messiah faithfully continued to keep the Torah.
There is no word "torah" in the New Testament, only "law".

And Jesus clearly said that Law and Prophets till John. It ended with him, he was the last.

"The law and the prophets until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
Lk 16:16
 
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How do reach this conclusion? In Leviticus 20, God says the laws are given to set the Jew apart from the other nations.

The main problem we as a people have is identifying with Israel which is the name God gave his people. Here take a look at these scriptures:

Ephesians 2:11-14
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

This states that we were strangers from Israel and Gentiles but now we are not.

Galatians 3:16 KJV — Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:29 KJV — And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:7 KJV — Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

These clearly state we are of the seed of Abraham if we have faith. Therefore we are apart of Israel.
 
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There is no word "torah" in the New Testament, only "law".

And Jesus clearly said that Law and Prophets till John. It ended with him, he was the last.

"The law and the prophets until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
Lk 16:16

There is no word law in the Renewed Covenant. The oldest copies of the original manuscripts are written in Greek. The Greek word nomos νόμος is rendered in many English translations as law. By the same token the Hebrew word torah תּוֹרָה is also rendered in many English translations as law.

Law is a poor translation of the word torah. A better translation is the word instruction. By the way Yahshua didn't speak Greek. He did, however speak, Hebrew. He also followed his father's instructions, as he told his sheep to follow him.
 
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