I found the land of Havilah in Genesis (looking for geologists)

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why would God hide a garden? The tree of life is not there any more. Revelation says the trees of life will line the river flowing from the throne of God. I am not sure the tree of life is even on earth anymore. That was the only reason for banning them from the garden. Besides after the flood there would be no garden left. We would just know the strata etc of where it was. You can escavate the area, maybe find tools or bones of pre deluvian man. That would be awesome. During these days there were giants too. That would be cool to find a 15 foot human skeleton to confirm all these texts. From my research from a 16 century document, noah and his entire family were giants, which meant that all modern humans were larger at one point, and we evolved into smaller frames due to natural selection, we also evolved different skin tones, and varying degrees of melanin in the skin pigments.
Why isn't the tree of life in the garden anymore? The reason it was hidden was to prevent anyone from gaining access to it while living in a sinful, fallen state. Since there is no death in the garden, I would assume the tree is thriving. I think the garden is still there and we just can't see it. Do you know of any Biblical reason why it isn't still there and thriving?
 
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Why isn't the tree of life in the garden anymore? The reason it was hidden was to prevent anyone from gaining access to it while living in a sinful, fallen state. Since there is no death in the garden, I would assume the tree is thriving. I think the garden is still there and we just can't see it. Do you know of any Biblical reason why it isn't still there and thriving?
there is no longer a single tree of life. I believe after the fall, God removed the tree of life. As it was not necessary because death reigned at that point. God will replant trees of life in revelation it says a river flows out of the throne and trees of live will line the river, and people can pick fruit as they will bear fruit I think regularly. It's not like only during harvest you get a fruit, it bears fruit all year.

Revelation 22:2

In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

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the tree of life in revelation, they mention 2, but some believe they may line the rivers all along them, not exactly sure. But this is the New Jerusalem, from the thone is a river, and along the river are tree of life. No mention of the garden of eden anymore.
 
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You will have zero partners then. :oldthumbsup:
oh thats fine, I am putting this on several sites, so between all of them, some interest should partner with me. God provides and is faithful. Like I said, I don't trust people. This would be for charity, not to make some CEO rich. And I don't trust skeptics, I don't even trust christian believers with money, so why would I trust skeptics? Anyway, that my two cents. God will have to bring those people who are broken and humble enough to deal with success, I don't even trust that I am able to do that. So it really is who you surround yourself with, is that that thing alone that makes you successful. The Bible says in timothy that there are some who say "goliness is a means of gain." And to "remove yourself from those people." If someone has the gold bug, then I don't need that. I need people who want to be used by God. Watch the Lord of the rings, watch how people reacted when they got near the ring of power. Tolkien was a christian, he said that for a reason. Money and power can ruin people. so it is all about your team. If you have a bunch of Judas's who will betray you, then it's all for nothing. You may succeed in finding a place and making money, but at that point you have shipwrecked yours and others salvations.
 
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I have been collecting books, kindle books for over 20 years, and I have a library of about 10,000 books right now. Many of them secular history books. And needless to say, I have found lots of confirmation of my view of the area of havilah. Lets just say it's not something wikipedia can answer for us. I would love to share my views with any partners. Even if you want to partner in prayer. And if you want to do your own research and tell me where you think it is, I will probably share with you if it's the same as mine. It's not a secret, I just don't want the information to fall into secular hands. God forbid these resources be used for wickedness and not charity, to line the pockets of the already rich CEO's
 
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Yes! very true.
Right, so maybe Israel was snuggled up near where the Tigris and Euphrates now are or some such. That means we would not look to follow the courses of the rivers there now to try and find where they used to go.
 
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Just curious what this has to do with Christian prepping
if the mod's don't think it fits here they can move it. I didn't see another forum that was even remotely suitable. Good post.
 
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Right, so maybe Israel was snuggled up near where the Tigris and Euphrates now are or some such. That means we would not look to follow the courses of the rivers there now to try and find where they used to go.
Most people are stuck by the fact the modern euphrates is named by the same name as the Biblical euphrates, but they forget after the flood, all that runoff would have made completely new rivers.
 
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Most people are stuck by the fact the modern euphrates is named by the same name as the Biblical euphrates, but they forget after the flood, all that runoff would have made completely new rivers.
Could be. But we can also look at rapid continental separation, that saw Israel moved down to where it is now from up there. In that case, the remnants of the rivers are a very partial bit of info in telling us what it used to be like. We do know the plates exist. We do know the movement happened. The only question is when.
My opinion is that Eden is near modern Jerusalem, probably deep underground today. I also think the ark landed fairly close to there. The doves Noah sent out may have gotten the fresh olive leaves from Gethsemene!
 
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if the mod's don't think it fits here they can move it. I didn't see another forum that was even remotely suitable. Good post.
Not trying to be ugly. ^_^
You might get a more fruitful response from another forum. Archeology or History maybe? Interesting topic.
Just trying to help.:wave:
 
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Could be. But we can also look at rapid continental separation, that saw Israel moved down to where it is now from up there. In that case, the remnants of the rivers are a very partial bit of info in telling us what it used to be like. We do know the plates exist. We do know the movement happened. The only question is when.
My opinion is that Eden is near modern Jerusalem, probably deep underground today. I also think the ark landed fairly close to there. The doves Noah sent out may have gotten the fresh olive leaves from Gethsemene!

I wouldn't agree with you findings on the arc or jerusalem but thank you very much for sharing that information with me. I have just watched numerous documentaries on the arc, and such. I think turkey was the last place that I believed the arc landed, but I don't remember all of it. I have ADD, short term memory. but i have an extensive list of books and links, to help me remember conversations.
 
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Not trying to be ugly. ^_^
You might get a more fruitful response from another forum. Archeology or History maybe? Interesting topic.
Just trying to help.:wave:
I looked, I didn't see a christian only section on history or archaeology. I think that is in the debate section that allows atheists.
 
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if the mod's don't think it fits here they can move it. I didn't see another forum that was even remotely suitable. Good post.
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"The Physical & Life Sciences forum is a discussion and debate area on physics, biology, chemistry and other physical sciences. Other physical sciences may include but is not limited to astronomy, earth science, archeology, climate change, ecology, geology, oceanography and energy."

Or since you seem to want to talk only to True Christians®, you could post this here Creationism since it relates to the biblical account of creation.

Either one of these were be more suitable for this topic than the forum you've chosen.
 
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I wouldn't agree with you findings on the arc or jerusalem but thank you very much for sharing that information with me. I have just watched numerous documentaries on the arc, and such. I think turkey was the last place that I believed the arc landed, but I don't remember all of it. I have ADD, short term memory. but i have an extensive list of books and links, to help me remember conversations.
The thing is Turkey was not where it is now. Neither was Israel.
 
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Or since you seem to want to talk only to True Christians®, you could post this here Creationism since it relates to the biblical account of creation.

Either one of these were be more suitable for this topic than the forum you've chosen.

well it does not really fit in those threads either, the first one has non christians, and the second is debate on creationism. I am not questioning creationism or debating that topic. But it's up to the mod's. I am good with anything.
 
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The thing is Turkey was not where it is now. Neither was Israel.
well we don't know exactly, I believe in a pangea theory myself, but I sort of believe this because of the secular teaching on it. See the current theory is that the continents fit in a jig zaw puzzle all nicely together. That works when our water level is at he current level. But our continents don't necessarily look the same when the water level is gone or increased. So that theory does not work. Besides I believe to some point that mountains were created during the flood due to techtonic shifts. Becuase the current rebuttal to noahs flood is that there is not enough cubic feet of water to cover the highest mountains in the world. So creation scientists have theorized that it is possible a rearranging of the plates happened and it's not to illogical to assume some plates collided causing mountains. So anyway, that is my view.
 
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Yes, he was an adorable conman.
I don't know about that. I don't know much about him but I enjoyed his archaological video's and my faith was encouraged. So ultimately I think that is what matters, not if we dont' agree with their business practice or peripherals.
 
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