Could Satan to some degree be like Stanley Milgram Ph.D?

You have probably all heard of the Milgram Experiment?

It was conducted by Stanley Milgram Ph. D. during the time of the Nuremburg War Crimes trials and focused on why human beings would be so obedient to Authority Figures even to the point of doing terrible things to relatively or even extremely innocent people?

This sermon seems to back up this really controversial theory that has been on my mind for many years.

John 10:10
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

Yes.... Satan does kill.... but when he kills us he knows that we go off to heaven much as Mr. Dean Braxton reported!

Yes... Satan does steal... but he knows that when he steals from us it is only a matter of time and our learning wisdom and we can ask and have all that he stole from us restored fourfold or sevenfold.... .(depending on what he stole and under what specific set of circumstances he did it).

Yes..... he does destroy..... but in the process of destroying us..... Satan humbles us..... and without humility..... we cannot enter heaven!


Isaiah 57:15
"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

My theory is that Satan HATES PRIDE.... because he knows that pride caused him to fall and lose out on being a Covering Cherub in the presence of the Ancient of Days the Father and the Holy Spirit and the Comforter the Holy Spirit and in the presence of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

So Satan... in spite of all of his many, many, many, many, many flaws......... might well wear the costume of "The Humbler" if he were to become a comic book Super Hero?!

Perhaps I am being idealistic and naive.... but I have wondered if we are supposed to take this principle to an extreme extreme?????????

Matthew 5

43 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; 45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust.

46 For if ye love them that love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others?] do not even the Gentiles the same?

48 Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I began this discussion with something in mind that is almost like a game of chess.........

...... Satanists assume that Satan is like them...... selfish....... and proud......
and greedy...... but in fact... Satan could be far, far, far, far, far more complicated than that????

IF... it is at all true that high level Satanists have gotten themselves into the board of directors of big TV production companies and even in government then........

..... if those Satanists begin to wonder if in fact their king... might not be quite as selfish..... or quite as proud..... or as greedy as they are THEN.........

..... they might just begin to rethink their approach to life and the afterlife.... and they might just consider turning their lives right side up.........

A Realist said:

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Yes...... exactly........
What????? Is a good response.........

It is logical....... it is rational... .and I admit that my idea could be terribly in error but........ what if the Jezebel demon who met Evangelist John Ramirez and cursed him upside down for giving his heart to Jesus....... secretly...... ADMIRED his courage to take that course of actions??????

What if the Jezebel demon who met Evangelist John Ramirez..... was significantly ACTING like she hated what he was doing.... .but secretly she was in actually perhaps cheering him on toward some sort of Yom Kippur event in our time period that could put a whole new slant on the Two Witnesses of the Book of Revelation???????


Can some people astral project and put curses on people?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

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By QFT do you mean Quantum Field Theory?

If so... that is a brilliant reply as well!

Here is a rather Biblical way of approaching the possible implications of Multiverse Theory, non-linear time and the possible connection with multiple Ezekiel 37 fulfillments???

Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........
... RAN AWAY from Queen Jezebel and her armies?

A Realist said:

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Aha yes.....I did not know that one........

but here is some more context but.....I must admit...my brain chemical mix is not exactly in the "normal seventy to thirtieth percentile" in terms of some brain chemicals related to serotonin or dopomine???

I can't help but ask questions that many other people don't think of because my brain will not shut up.....and will not stop asking strange questions.......

What if the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos who saw the world rejoicing over the death of the two witnesses........ was NOT shown the death of two other possible witnesses about three and a half or so days before..........
and.....was also not shown what looked like their "resurrection"......but the word resurrection can be thought of in terms of modern medical science as well...........???????

In our time period the phrase "lying wonders" can take on a whole new level of potential meaning???????????

2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


Jer 23:20

The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

Could the two witnesses...... volunteer to NOT be raptured....


Could a time period like our be considered PERFECTLY IN THE YEAR 1519????????? OR EVEN 1619????

Deus Vult! said:

This sort of thinking is tantamount to calling evil good.
I mean think of it, what you you are doing here allowing yourself to even entertain the possibility of satan being capable of goodness is essentially what the Jews were thinking and saying concerning Jesus and how was able to perform miracles.
They were thinking and saying that Jesus may only have these powers because he is in league with the devil.
You are saying that we may have possibly misunderstood satan and that really he might have goodness in him after all. You stated that "My theory is that Satan HATES PRIDE". Just to remind you then: hating pride - and so being humble - is a grace and gift of God. It is good.
Satan fell from grace, he is forever incapable of anything good because he is without the grace of God. He is no more capable of goodness then one who occupies Gehenna.
This is not a theory, it is non sense.

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You could be correct..... I personally do not know the motives of Satan but I believe that Satan nearly was in possession, (or at least heavy influence) over Balaam the Prophet of Midian, whose two sons Janes and Jambres withstood Moses and did several of the first miracles that G-d gave to Moses to do in front of Pharaoh.

I noticed that Antiochus praised the courage of the Machabee warriors to attempt to inspire his own troops and even Adolf Hitler is said to have made similar statements in 1945 as WWII was obviously lost.

Numbers 22

Numbers 23

Numbers 24

Numbers 31

Deuteronomy 23

Joshua 13:22
"Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, did the children of Israel slay with the sword among them that were slain by them."

If it is true that Antiochus praised the Jewish Machabee soldiers.... and if it is true that Adolf Hitler may have praised certain of his allied opponents that he faced during WWI, then this tendency for a possessed person to give some credit to the people who are working for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus directly or indirectly may turn out to have more relevance than we might imagine at first?


My goal in beginning this thread is to attempt to set in motion an unusual revelation reported on this forum several years ago:

Satanism Ending

Bluerose31 said:

My abusers told me that the cult named Satanism is ending and that I was a ritual sacrifice to end Satanism. They said that Second Life was connected to Satanism and so was Disney. They said it was created by a man years ago and that it was running the world in a way. They said that was why there was evil references in the Disney movies and there was racism and things still in Disney. They said they did cult worship of the Devil which included human sacrifice. They said there was more than a thousand people in Satanism. They said that they were becoming Christians but that I was a last sacrifice and that I had been a sacrifice to the Devil. They said they killed many people in the whole of Satanism. They said they mislead people more and that the Sims is also connected to Satanism. They said it effected foreign policy too. They said that I was a sacrifice to the Devil to heal Satanism. They said that they had to seriously torture someone to show their pain and then they would heal that person. They said more people were associated with my kidnapping and torture than I am aware of. They said that all Satanist would be becoming Christian and that there were several movies out about the change from Satanism to Christianity and two of them are Moana and Elena of Avalor. I am still distraught and do not understand why they told me all that but I do believe Satanism is ending and that there will be changes in the world because of it.

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Do you know how many victims of Human Trafficking not to mention stray pets could be saved if this turned out to have some validity?????

If high level Satanists began to question the motives of their king...... Satanism could be divided... .and could rapidly fall????

Many posters on CF who claim to be Atheists...... aren't. They are fully fledged Theistic or Atheistic Satanists depending on how they define their particular branch of their religion.

Many posters here who claim to be PolyTheists..... are actually a variation of Satanists.

This idea has the potential to destroy Satanism as a religion and drive a huge percentage of Satanists toward the same religion that Evangelist John RAmirez has chosen.

The opening gambit toward the destruction of Satanism as a religion was made by the USA government since 2017 as they greatly increased arrests related to Human Trafficking.

A Realist said:

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My idea is that perhaps Satan may be playing a practical joke on human Satanists and he may actually hold them in utter contempt much as Stanley Milgram Ph. D. would really be disgusted with the sixty percent or so of "Teacher subjects" who hit the switch to zap the "Learner Subject" (who was really an actor)..... with what the teacher Subject thought could be a potentially dangerous level or even fatal level of electrical shock?


Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

The Milgram experiment(s) on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram. They measured the willingness of study participants, men from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience. Participants were led to believe that they were assisting an unrelated experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner." These fake electric shocks gradually increased to levels that would have been fatal had they been real.[2]

The experiment found, unexpectedly, that a very high proportion of subjects would fully obey the instructions, albeit reluctantly. Milgram first described his research in a 1963 article in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[3]

The experiments began in July 1961, in the basement of Linsly-Chittenden Hall at Yale University,[4] three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the popular contemporary question: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"[5] The experiment was repeated many times around the globe, with fairly consistent results

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If this theory has any validity..... it could mean that Satan actually has admiration for John Ramirez for repenting and showing the courage to go to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with his whole heart.


Here is a confusing verse in the Revised Standard Version that got me thinking along this line:

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)


Whoever Azazel is could be turn out to be like General Abner who led the ten tribes to King David?????

Could his repentance or partial repentance divide the kingdom of Satan and lead to it fall????

Is there some connection between the metaphorical "goat for Azazel" with Bar Abbas - Barabbas who was a notable prisoner who was released?

Are we Christians supposed to regard our own sins as serious and notable.... even if they are acceptable in our society..... such as pride, lethargy, lukewarmness and self-righteousness or greed??????

This is interesting???

1 Corinthians 5
3 For I verily, being absent in body but present in spirit, have already as though I were present judged him that hath so wrought this thing, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

After the twenty minute mark in this video is interesting information on former Covering Cherub Halel / Lucifer that really surprised me.

A Realist said:

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Thank you for your prayers......
Beginning at the thirty three minute mark in this video is the most astonishing lecture that I have ever heard that really does an amazing job of explaining demonic activity throughout history from the time of Adam and Eve until now.

This is so helpful..... I already listened to this twice today.....