yeshuasavedme
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Dear Bob,
the word translated "lucifer" is not a proper noun, in the Hebrew. The only person cast down from heaven is the Adam, and we are all Adam. Tradition is not Bible truth, in this case.
So where is Paradise, according to Scripture? In the third heaven, where Mount
Eden is. Paul states this fact as a truth understood in his day.
2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. .
Why did this truth get hidden, and myths arise? Because of the Roman Catholic Church dismissing the books called Scripture, by our ancient Christian and Jewish "fathers" of the faith; in particular, the Book of Enoch, in which the foundations of all biblical doctrine are laid plainly out, and not re-laid, because once laid, no need to re-lay them.
Who is forbidden to enter there, according to Scripture? The unclean in flesh and defiled in spirit, the Adam. See Haggai chapter 2.
Why did the high priest have to put on the garments that were made to represent the office of Christ, the One New Man and our Redeemer/Kinsman, when they entered to do the show and tell in the holy oracle of the Atonement that was to come, and is come, by the
Redeemer/Kinsman?
Why, when Adam was cast down, were cherubim with flaming swords set to guard the entry to Mount Eden, and Paradise?
Why did Nimrod seek to build a tower to heaven, which was another way than the Cherubim guarded entry, and enter the City of God and take over earth from that place heaven?
How do we who are born in the defiled Adam spirit and the corrupted Adam flesh enter in? _By the blood of Jesus, and in His New Man name, by the cleansing of our souls and the adoption of our spirit into His One New Man Name Spirit, and then, we will also receive the Adoption of the flesh, in the regeneration, and we will go in and out, as the holy Watcher angels do, through God's One Way, and we will eat of the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden of God.
Rev 2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Nimrod tried another way. He failed.
the word translated "lucifer" is not a proper noun, in the Hebrew. The only person cast down from heaven is the Adam, and we are all Adam. Tradition is not Bible truth, in this case.
So where is Paradise, according to Scripture? In the third heaven, where Mount
Eden is. Paul states this fact as a truth understood in his day.
2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. .
Why did this truth get hidden, and myths arise? Because of the Roman Catholic Church dismissing the books called Scripture, by our ancient Christian and Jewish "fathers" of the faith; in particular, the Book of Enoch, in which the foundations of all biblical doctrine are laid plainly out, and not re-laid, because once laid, no need to re-lay them.
Who is forbidden to enter there, according to Scripture? The unclean in flesh and defiled in spirit, the Adam. See Haggai chapter 2.
Why did the high priest have to put on the garments that were made to represent the office of Christ, the One New Man and our Redeemer/Kinsman, when they entered to do the show and tell in the holy oracle of the Atonement that was to come, and is come, by the
Redeemer/Kinsman?
Why, when Adam was cast down, were cherubim with flaming swords set to guard the entry to Mount Eden, and Paradise?
Why did Nimrod seek to build a tower to heaven, which was another way than the Cherubim guarded entry, and enter the City of God and take over earth from that place heaven?
How do we who are born in the defiled Adam spirit and the corrupted Adam flesh enter in? _By the blood of Jesus, and in His New Man name, by the cleansing of our souls and the adoption of our spirit into His One New Man Name Spirit, and then, we will also receive the Adoption of the flesh, in the regeneration, and we will go in and out, as the holy Watcher angels do, through God's One Way, and we will eat of the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden of God.
Rev 2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Nimrod tried another way. He failed.
In the Bible (specifically in Isaiah and Ezekiel for example) names are given and local persons identified - as a type of the much bigger truth. We see this in Isiah 7,8,9 "Immanuel" -- God with us.
Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us"(Matthew 1:23).
Is 7:
14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.
Is 8
Then the Lord said to me, “Take for yourself a large tablet and write on it in ordinary letters: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey. 2 And I will take to Myself faithful witnesses for testimony, Uriah the priest and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.” 3 So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz; 4 for before the boy knows how to cry out ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.”
..
8 “Then it will sweep on into Judah, it will overflow and pass through,
It will reach even to the neck;
And the spread of its wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Immanuel.
Is 9
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.
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Isaiah 14
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
...
(you)
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Isaias 14:12 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
12 Quomodo cecidisti de caelo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes?
Applied to a local individual but also applied to Satan, because no local king actually "fell from heaven" nor did any local king of Isaiah's day "make the world a wilderness"
2 Pet 1:19
19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.
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Scofield Bible
Isaiah 14: Verse 12
son of the morning
Isaiah 14:12-14 evidently refer to Satan, who, as prince of this world-system (see "World," John 7:7 (See Scofield "Revelation 13:8") is the real unseen ruler of the successive world- powers. Tyre, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, etc. (see Ezekiel 28:12-14 Lucifer, "day-star," can be none other that Satan. This tremendous passage marks the beginning of sin in the universe. When Lucifer said, "I will," sin began. See Scofield "Revelation 20:10".
See other instances of addressing Satan through another, Genesis 3:15; Matthew 16:22; Matthew 16:23.
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So also in Ezek 28 - local kings of the time of Ezekiel -- made a type of Satan - who was "created" a "Covering Cherub" and was in "Eden the garden of God" etc..
Ezek 28
2 “Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God,
“Because your heart is lifted up
And you have said, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods
In the heart of the seas’;
Yet you are a man and not God,
Although you make your heart like the heart of God—
3 Behold, you are wiser than Daniel;
There is no secret that is a match for you.
4 “By your wisdom and understanding
You have acquired riches for yourself
And have acquired gold and silver for your treasuries.
5 “By your great wisdom, by your trade
You have increased your riches
And your heart is lifted up because of your riches—
..
11 Again the word of the Lord came to me saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God,
“You had the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
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