Why Christ is called "Immanuel" and Satan is called "Lucifer" in the Bible

Dear Bob,
the word translated "lucifer" is not a proper noun, in the Hebrew. The only person cast down from heaven is the Adam, and we are all Adam. Tradition is not Bible truth, in this case.
So where is Paradise, according to Scripture? In the third heaven, where Mount
Eden is. Paul states this fact as a truth understood in his day.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. .

Why did this truth get hidden, and myths arise? Because of the Roman Catholic Church dismissing the books called Scripture, by our ancient Christian and Jewish "fathers" of the faith; in particular, the Book of Enoch, in which the foundations of all biblical doctrine are laid plainly out, and not re-laid, because once laid, no need to re-lay them.

Who is forbidden to enter there, according to Scripture? The unclean in flesh and defiled in spirit, the Adam. See Haggai chapter 2.
Why did the high priest have to put on the garments that were made to represent the office of Christ, the One New Man and our Redeemer/Kinsman, when they entered to do the show and tell in the holy oracle of the Atonement that was to come, and is come, by the
Redeemer/Kinsman?
Why, when Adam was cast down, were cherubim with flaming swords set to guard the entry to Mount Eden, and Paradise?
Why did Nimrod seek to build a tower to heaven, which was another way than the Cherubim guarded entry, and enter the City of God and take over earth from that place heaven?
How do we who are born in the defiled Adam spirit and the corrupted Adam flesh enter in? _By the blood of Jesus, and in His New Man name, by the cleansing of our souls and the adoption of our spirit into His One New Man Name Spirit, and then, we will also receive the Adoption of the flesh, in the regeneration, and we will go in and out, as the holy Watcher angels do, through God's One Way, and we will eat of the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden of God.
Rev 2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Nimrod tried another way. He failed.

BobRyan said:

In the Bible (specifically in Isaiah and Ezekiel for example) names are given and local persons identified - as a type of the much bigger truth. We see this in Isiah 7,8,9 "Immanuel" -- God with us.

Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us"(Matthew 1:23).

Is 7:
14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

Is 8
Then the Lord said to me, “Take for yourself a large tablet and write on it in ordinary letters: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey. 2 And I will take to Myself faithful witnesses for testimony, Uriah the priest and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.” 3 So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz; 4 for before the boy knows how to cry out ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.”
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8 “Then it will sweep on into Judah, it will overflow and pass through,
It will reach even to the neck;
And the spread of its wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Immanuel.

Is 9
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

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Isaiah 14
The Fall of Lucifer

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
...
(you)
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,


Isaias 14:12 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
12 Quomodo cecidisti de caelo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes?

Applied to a local individual but also applied to Satan, because no local king actually "fell from heaven" nor did any local king of Isaiah's day "make the world a wilderness"


2 Pet 1:19
19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

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Scofield Bible

Isaiah 14: Verse 12

son of the morning

Isaiah 14:12-14 evidently refer to Satan, who, as prince of this world-system (see "World," John 7:7 (See Scofield "Revelation 13:8") is the real unseen ruler of the successive world- powers. Tyre, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, etc. (see Ezekiel 28:12-14 Lucifer, "day-star," can be none other that Satan. This tremendous passage marks the beginning of sin in the universe. When Lucifer said, "I will," sin began. See Scofield "Revelation 20:10".

See other instances of addressing Satan through another, Genesis 3:15; Matthew 16:22; Matthew 16:23.

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So also in Ezek 28 - local kings of the time of Ezekiel -- made a type of Satan - who was "created" a "Covering Cherub" and was in "Eden the garden of God" etc..

Ezek 28
2 “Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God,

“Because your heart is lifted up
And you have said, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods
In the heart of the seas’;
Yet you are a man and not God,
Although you make your heart like the heart of God—
3 Behold, you are wiser than Daniel;
There is no secret that is a match for you.
4 “By your wisdom and understanding
You have acquired riches for yourself
And have acquired gold and silver for your treasuries.
5 “By your great wisdom, by your trade
You have increased your riches
And your heart is lifted up because of your riches—

..

11 Again the word of the Lord came to me saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God,

“You had the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.

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BobRyan said:

No worry because Nebuchadnezzar was not wiser than Daniel, nor created sinless, nor the covering Cherub in the throne room of God - either.

Luciferians at least know that Lucifer claims to be god in direct opposition to YHWH in the OT. The opposer/adversary

"Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the devil, but as a liberator, a guardian or guiding spirit,[1] or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[2]". Luciferianism - Wikipedia

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Luciferianism is a new religious movement. It did not exist until recently. The thought of devil worshippers in the 19th century filled people with horror, and even occultists who were not devil worshippers per se, like Aleister Crowley, were considered, properly I think, to be among the most evil people in the world.

So that really proves nothing.

The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Lucifer

There are many persons who do not believe the myth that "lucifer" is a proper name. The original Hebrew is not a proper noun.
I wrote you in answer but you ignored it, as those do who are steeped in traditional modern myths.
here is another who does not accept that myth. I just typed in a search and found this short piece. I do not agree with all it states, but that is minor; the point is that Satan is not a man with flesh, never had flesh, is a created spirit who can shape shift, to appear as an angel of light and other things, as said in the NT and, as is reported in the history "Book of Jasher", he appeared as an old man, to Sarah, and lied to her, and as an impossible river to cross, to Abraham, who knew the river was a lying manifestation to stop him from obeying YHWH while on the way to mount Moriah to offer up Isaac....
LUCIFER -- Adam or Satan?

BobRyan said:

Isaiah 14 is referencing the devil - Satan's name prior to his fall.

Origen (184/185 – 253/254) interpreted such Old Testament passages as being about manifestations of the devil; but writing in Greek, not Latin, he did not identify the devil with the name "Lucifer".

Origen was not the first to interpret the Isaiah 14 passage as referring to the devil: he was preceded by at least Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225), who in his Adversus Marcionem (book 5, chapters 11 and 27) twice presents as spoken by the devil the words of Isaiah 14:14: "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High".

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So the debate about Isaiah 14 referring to the pre-fall name for the devil was being settled long ago. So the only thing that remains is "how you pronounce that Hebrew word". Which is less interesting at the moment, since generally speaking the name "Lucifer" is much better recognized by Christians all over the world as the pre-fall name for the devil. No need to re-invent that wheel at this point.

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BobRyan said:

Isaiah 14 is referencing the devil - Satan's name prior to his fall.

Origen (184/185 – 253/254) interpreted such Old Testament passages as being about manifestations of the devil; but writing in Greek, not Latin, he did not identify the devil with the name "Lucifer".

Origen was not the first to interpret the Isaiah 14 passage as referring to the devil: he was preceded by at least Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225), who in his Adversus Marcionem (book 5, chapters 11 and 27) twice presents as spoken by the devil the words of Isaiah 14:14: "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High".

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So the debate about Isaiah 14 referring to the pre-fall name for the devil was being settled long ago. So the only thing that remains is "how you pronounce that Hebrew word". Which is less interesting at the moment, since generally speaking the name "Lucifer" is much better recognized by Christians all over the world as the pre-fall name for the devil. No need to re-invent that wheel at this point.

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"The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.

The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, "to lament"; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4).CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Lucifer

from the context of Isaiah, it is clear this is about the King of Babylon, not satan.
"morning star" is literally what the Hebrew says.


Isaiah 14:12 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
12 You were like the morning star,
but you have fallen from the sky.
In the past, all the nations on earth bowed down before you,
but now you have been cut down.

Isaiah 14 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

14 The Lord will again show his love to Jacob. He will again choose the people of Israel. He will give them their land. Then the non-Israelites[a] will join the Israelites, and both will become one family—Jacob’s family. 2 Those nations will bring the Israelites back to their land. The men and women from the other nations will become slaves to Israel. In the past, those people forced the Israelites to become their slaves. But in the future the Israelites will defeat those nations, and Israel will then rule over them in the Lord’s land. 3 In the past, you were slaves. People forced you to work hard. But the Lord will take away the hard work you were forced to do.

A Song About the King of Babylon
4 At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon:

The king was cruel when he ruled us,
but now his rule is finished.
5 The Lord breaks the scepter of evil rulers;
he takes away their power.
6 In anger, the king of Babylon beat the people.
He never stopped beating them.
He was an evil ruler who ruled in anger.
He never stopped hurting people.
7 But now, the whole country rests and is quiet.
Now the people begin to celebrate.
8 You were an evil king,
and now you are finished.
Even the pine trees are happy.
The cedar trees of Lebanon rejoice.
They say, “The king chopped us down,
but now the king has fallen,
and he will never stand again.”
9 The place of death is excited
that you are coming.
Sheol is waking the spirits
of all the leaders of the earth for you.
Sheol is making the kings stand up
from their thrones to meet you.
10 They will make fun of you, saying,
“Now you are as dead as we are.
Now you are just like us.”
11 Your pride has been sent down to Sheol.
The music from your harps announces the coming of your proud spirit.
Maggots will be the bed you lie on,
and other worms will cover your body like a blanket.
12 You were like the morning star,
but you have fallen from the sky.
In the past, all the nations on earth bowed down before you,
but now you have been cut down.
13 You always told yourself,
“I will go to the skies above.
I will put my throne above God’s stars.
I will sit on Zaphon, the holy mountain where the gods meet.
14 I will go up to the altar above the tops of the clouds.
I will be like God Most High.”

15 But that did not happen.
You were brought down to the deep pit—Sheol, the place of death.
16 People will come to look at your dead body.
They will think about you and say,
“Is this the same man
who caused great fear in all the kingdoms on earth,
17 who destroyed cities
and turned the land into a desert,
who captured people in war
and would not let them go home?”
18 The kings of other nations lie buried with honor,
each king with his own grave.
19 But you were thrown out of your grave
like a branch cut from a tree and thrown away.
You are like a dead man who fell in battle,
trampled under the feet of other soldiers.
Now you look like any other dead man
wrapped in burial clothes.
20 Other kings have their own graves,
but you will not join them,
because you ruined your own country
and killed your own people.
So your wicked descendants will be stopped.

21 Prepare to kill his children,
because their father is guilty.
His children will never take control of the land.
They will never fill the world with their cities.

22 The Lord All-Powerful said, “I will stand and fight against those people. I will destroy the famous city, Babylon. I will destroy all the people there. I will destroy their children, their grandchildren, and their great-grandchildren.” The Lord himself said this.

23 “I will change Babylon. It will be a place for animals,[c] not people. It will be a swamp. I will use the ‘broom of destruction’ to sweep Babylon away.” The Lord All-Powerful said this.

God Will Also Punish Assyria
24 The Lord All-Powerful made this promise: “This will happen exactly as I meant for it to happen. It will happen just the way I planned. 25 I will destroy the king of Assyria in my country. I will walk on him on my mountains. He forced my people to be his slaves; he put a yoke on their necks. But that pole will be taken off Judah’s neck, and that burden will be removed. 26 This is what I plan to do for this land. I will use my power to punish all those nations.”

27 When the Lord All-Powerful makes a plan, no one can change it. When he raises his arm to punish, no one can stop him.

God’s Message to Philistia
28 This message[d] was given to me the year King Ahaz died[e]:

29 Country of Philistia, don’t be happy that the king who beat you is now dead. It is true that his rule has ended, but his son will come and rule. It will be like one snake giving birth to a more dangerous one. The new king will be like a quick and dangerous snake to you. 30 But even the poorest of my people will be able to eat safely. And their children will be able to lie down and feel safe. But I will make your family die from hunger, and your enemy will kill anyone who survives.

31 People near the city gates, cry!
People in the city, cry out!
Everyone in Philistia,
your courage will melt like hot wax.

Look to the north!
There is a cloud of dust.
An army is coming,
and everyone in that army is strong.[f]
32 But what will the messengers from that nation report about us?
They will say, “The Lord made Zion strong,
and his poor people went there for safety.”

Yes, some church fathers applied the pride of Isaiah 14 to satan.

"
But it was not
concerning the hiding away of the gospel of an unknown god that
he made these threats. And so, even though it were, The god of
this world, yet it is of the unbelievers of this world that he blinds
the heart, because they have not of their own selves recognized
his Christ, whom they ought to have known of from the scriptures.
So much for this discussion of what is involved in doubtful punctua-
tion—to prevent it from being of advantage to my opponent—
satisfied to have won my case—I am even in a position entirely
to bypass this argument. It will be quite easy for a more straight-
forward answer to explain the lord of this world as the devil,
who said, as the prophet relates: I will be like unto the Most High,
I will set my throne in the clouds:n even as the entire superstition
of this present age is under contract to him who blinds the hearts
of unbelievers, and in particular the apostate Marcion. He in
fact has not observed that the conclusion of the sentence is in
opposition to him: Because God, who commanded the light to shine out
of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, unto the light of the knowledge of
himself in the countenance of Christ.3 Who was it that said, Let there be
light?o And of the giving of light to the world, who was it said to
Christ, I have set thee for a light of the gentiles,p those in fact who sit
in darkness and in the shadow of death?q To this, by foreknowledge of
the future, the Spirit answers in the psalm, There hath been set as a
sign above us the light of thy countenance, O Lord.r Now the countenance
of God is Christ the Lord: and of him the apostle has already said,
Who is the image of God. So then if Christ is the countenance of
the Creator who says Let there be light, then Christ and the apostles"
Tertullian : Ernest Evans, Adversus Marcionem. Book 5 (English)

LUCIFER (Φωσφόρος):

By: Kaufmann Kohler
Septuagint translation of "Helel [read "Helal"] ben Shaḥar" (= "the brilliant one," "son of the morning"), name of the day, or morning, star, to whose mythical fate that of the King of Babylon is compared in the prophetic vision (Isa. xiv. 12-14). It is obvious that the prophet in attributing to the Babylonian king boastful pride, followed by a fall, borrowed the idea from a popular legend connected with the morning star; and Gunkel ("Schöpfung und Chaos," pp. 132-134) is undoubtedly correct when he holds that it represents a Babylonian or Hebrew star-myth similar to the Greek legend of Phaethon. The brilliancy of the morning star, which eclipses all other stars, but is not seen during the night, may easily have given rise to a myth such as was told of Ethana and Zu: he was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods (comp. Ezek. xxviii. 14; Ps. xlviii. 3 [A.V. 2]), but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus. Stars were regarded throughout antiquity as living celestial beings (Job xxxviii. 7).

The familiarity of the people of Palestine with such a myth is shown by the legend, localized on Mount Hermon, the northern mountain of Palestine and possibly the original mountain of the gods in that country, of the fall of the angels under the leadership of Samḥazai (the heaven-seizer) and Azael (Enoch, vi. 6 et seq.; see Fall of Angels). Another legend represents Samḥazai, because he repented of his sin, as being suspended between heaven and earth (like a star) instead of being hurled down to Sheol (see Midr. Abḳir in Yalḳ. i. 44; Raymund Martin, "Pugio Fidei," p. 564). The Lucifer myth was transferred to Satan in the pre-Christian century, as may be learned from Vita Adæ et Evæ (12) and Slavonic Enoch (xxix. 4, xxxi. 4), where Satan-Sataniel (Samael?) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high," Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss (comp. Test. Patr., Benjamin, 3; Ephes. ii. 2, vi. 12). Accordingly Tertullian ("Contra Marrionem," v. 11, 17), Origen ("Ezekiel Opera," iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Rev. xii. 7, 10; comp. Luke x. 18). LUCIFER - JewishEncyclopedia.com

The context of Isaiah 14 is still about the King of Babylon. Lucifer in Isaiah 14 is not a noun.