It's not a great time to be converting. Converts- would you do it again now??

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After finding out about other denominations, I'm happy with Catholicism. I went to one protestant church where all the preacher could talk about is how "lucky" we were to have him as pastor. I went to another protestant church where they spoke in tongues and the woman pastor reminded me of the mother in the movie "Carrie" (harsh, stern, overly legalistic). I know not all protestant churches are like that, but I never did find one that "fit". I was friends with some Jehovah Witnesses who tried to indoctrinate me into their 'Kingdom Hall'. That didn't work out either because they changed the bible to suit their needs and kept telling me that "the end" was just around the corner. (The one poor lady was in a panic over it.)
The Catholic church is going through some rough waters right now, but I feel it's the more authentic. I am picky about which Catholic church I attend though, as some are very liberal and I prefer a more conservative, bible based church.
 
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There are several Apostolic choices; all have awesome histories, great Saints, Sacraments, the Mother of Christ as Mother and Advocate, and an affirmation of the Real Presence.

That's good.

But Scripture points me to the Catholic Church; "Thou art Peter...", "Feed My lambs...."

I love the Catholic Saints. I just do. I would not want to give up Saints Padre Pio, Maria Goretti, Father Maximilan Maria Kolbe, or Terese of Lisieux. Or Charbel. They are treasures, who embody love.

Monarchialism makes sense over all. I think it is less difficult than having multiple, powerful Sees who may or may not agree with each other, or believe and teach 100% of the same things. This Pope is very difficult. But he is the visible head of the Church. He is still someone we can pray for, and his authority is real. If it wasn't, I'm not sure that other Christians wouldn't be so fixated on him in a negative way. That has to mean something.

Protestantism has great Christians in it, too, but Sola Fidé, Sola Scriptura, a 66 book Bible, it's extremely clear the Reformers were simply winging it.

That's it. I don't know what is going on in Pope Francis' head. Or what his reasoning is. I try not to focus too much on him, and just pray, and follow Christ, and that's it.
 
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A truly good question. Would I do it today - if I knew everything I know now - hard question.

Coming in I thought it would all be "universal". It's anything but. We have to avoid certain parishes, and actually don't have a single, good, conservative one in the whole diocese. So we choose less bad.

Would I join today? Many of the arguments are much harder to support today.

Follow your priest, follow your bishop - you can't follow people that don't lead, it's called standing still.

Would I convert again today? If there was an Orthodox parish closer by would be a big factor, but there is not. I don't know that I'm sold that Latin Mass Trad approach is the answer, as many older people I know don't recall the Catholic Church as a loving place - lot's of stories of mean and strict, not "learn the joy of the Gospel".

I'm still calibrating I guess, but trying to follow Jesus.
 
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Difficult Popes have come and gone but, the Church still stands.

Unholy clergy have come and gone, yet the church still breaths with the love of God.

Unfaithful flocks have come and gone, yet still the church echos with unending praise and love for God.
 
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Given current events. Regardless of what the CCC says... What's your take? Would you do it again given this current climate? Would you do it again?

Absolutely! Current events do not run my life.

Instead, I run from them and straight to God, wherein my eternal security lies.
He alone can protect me, care for me, teach me, and feed me in green pastures.

I've had enough of running with the wolves and running from them to last me forever.
I will rest in the shelter that He provides for me, and be grateful.
 
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Sometime after I'd become Catholic, and I was having some doubts about the decision (nothing to do with the pedophile crisis), my old Presbyterian pastor turned up in a brief vision, and said "The Catholic Church is closest to the truth". There was a distinct emphasis on the word "closest".

Incidentally, I do get visions from time to time. To detail one episode, I'm going to get a bit personal.

When I was still Presbyterian, I was going to a church not all that far from where I grew up. So I prayed that somehow the pastor might get to meet someone who could tell him what I'd been through with my father. Apart from my own family members, the only people who could really tell him were the former neighbours. Certainly not our relatives, as they hardly ever visited (I could count the number of visits on the fingers of one hand), and were never there when he was going off his brain.

Not even the members of a hockey club I played for no more than 100 metres down the road knew about it. My father was a mail sorter, and nearly always worked afternoon shift, starting about 2pm and going through to about 10pm or so. He didn't get home till 11pm most nights, and the abuse started around midnight and went on till about 3am.

By that time the hockey players had long gone home.

Anyway we had a resident Salvo whose wife attended our church. Somehow or other he got into visiting a former neighbour who lived two doors away from our old home. He was dying of cancer, and the Salvo must have talked our pastor into going with him.

In the vision I had, the former neighbour was sitting up in bed, with the pastor on his left and the salvo on his right. For some reason the conversation must have gotten onto my father.

"XXXX Crowley!" shouted the neighbour, "He was a miserable, bad tempered b_____d!!" He then turned to the pastor, and said "Pardon the French!" The pastor nodded. Then he continued "No one was sorry when he died!" By "no-one" he meant the neighbours, not one of whom turned up to my father's funeral. But a number of them came to my mother's funeral 20 years later, when they were their 80's. The neighbour went on "They all copped it but the brunt of it fell on Robert" (me). And that was it - whatever else was talked about was not disclosed to me - his personal sins, his family issues, anything else. I suppose God thought it was none of my business, and gave me the vision to illustrate He'd responded to my prayer above. The pastor had met a former neighbour, and that was all I needed to know.

Anyway sometime later we were in the pastor's office and he commented that he'd met someone who knew my father. I said "Oh, you mean (former neighbour)?" He said "Yes, how did you know?" I told him about the vision, where they were standing, what was said etc. He was taken aback, and asked if I'd spoken to the Salvo or the former neighbour. I told him I hadn't which was the truth.

He said "You do get visions! That's exactly what was said and where we were standing!"

So I do get visions from time to time. But they're certainly not common. That particular one was simply an answer to a prayer request that the pastor would somehow meet someone who could give an independent testimony about my father. And as far as I'm concerned, the vision where the deceased pastor stated the Catholic Church was "closest" to the truth was an answer to my concerns about the church at the time.

As far as the pedophile crisis was concerned, I was warned about that by the pastor anyway, when he was still alive, when he predicted I'd become Catholic, but that there'd be a "lot of them" (pedophile cases) after I'd become Catholic.

So I wouldn't change. I think it's closest to the truth, and I can't see any point in going anywhere else.

It's been going for 2000 years, and the current bunfight between conservatives and the liberals will have faded into history in the not too distant future. There'll be other things to worry about by then.

In a few years the current pope, his critics and his supporters will most likely have passed from the scene, and I won't be far behind them. But the church will still be there, although it's form might have changed. I think God's going to drive us out into the universe, I think Western Europe will become Moslem, and so what form the church will take if both of those things happen will be up to future generations to work out.

I take the long view.
 
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Thanks for sharing.

It's odd you make that statement - it's the closest to the truth. That is pretty much what keeps me here.

See in doctrine there are things that I think really don't matter much - Indulgences, Papal Infallibility - they are large doctrines, but really don't impact our salvation.

But in real life teachings the RCC has the best and most complete view on marriage and divorce, contraception, pro-life, helping the poor, etc..

But at times the Church has gone so far off the rails like the Inquisition, what I wonder is if the institution of the RCC is simply and earthly thing, and part of the true Church lives within it. Those that realized burning people because they were labeled heretics was wrong - love your neighbor as yourself.

I think that is my struggle - to answer the question - What is the Church?

Today we have many in high leadership positions that do not even appear to be saved Christians. They have received more sacramental ordination than most of us - yet do not serve God.

Then there are amazing protestants doing God's will. And amazing lay Catholics doing so much more that the clergy in many cases.

Will we ever actually be able to define what is the Church this side of Heaven?

My favorite thing to listen to is Search the Scriptures Live on AFR - https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/searchthescriptureslive. Dr. Jeannie is great.

One of her lines that stuck with me is this (not word for word) - One can go to Church unwillingly, one can receive sacraments unwillingly, but nobody can believe unwillingly.
 
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I've been pondering this question for some time now. I cannot come up with a solid answer at this point. While I think the teachings of the Church make the most sense, it appears that a lot of our clergy does not seem to believe them and do not seem particularly concerned with upholding them. It is difficult to join something which sows so much confusion amongst the followers. So I honestly do not know.
 
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My journey to the Catholic Church took a long time; over 40 years.
It began in the Methodist Church (with a healthy dose of 7th Day Adventism; we were a mixed religion family).
When the first split in the Methodist Church was heating up, I looked backwards to see where Methodism had come from, and found the Episcopal Church.
Likewise when the same conundrum hit the Episcopal Church, I looked backwards again, towards the very Early Church that met in houses.

All those years I was also surrounded by Catholics. My friends were Catholic, some of my teachers were Catholic, I watched some Catholic movies, and read some Catholic books.

So the influence of the Catholic Church surrounded me as I was growing up, but it wasn't until the last few years that I had the freedom to explore what it actually meant to be Catholic.
All that searching in the early years did me some good, because I knew more than I thought I did about The Bible and the early years of the Church. And that meant that I could finally make the connections, and see how they played out in real life.

It also meant that for the first time I could see how devotion to God played out in the lives of some people around me, and how their lives reflected their faith. And not just on Sunday, either!

I am still discovering how much the Church can be co-mingled with our daily lives if we let it be, and how much richer our lives are when that happens. That's why I became a Catholic, and a small part of how it has affected my life.
 
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Given current events. Regardless of what the CCC says... What's your take? Would you do it again given this current climate? Would you do it again?

I would convert in a heartbeat! Any day of the week and twice on Sunday! DEUS VULT!

It's not about the hierarchs. Yes they can affect the Church, but the Church outlasts them. Hierarchs come and go but the Church is timeliness. We battle internally and externally, but they don't call it the Church Militant for nothing. Christ's promise of the Church's endurance, and the Holy Spirit's guidance always corrects mistakes. From our temporal perspective it seems like that hasn't/won't happen, but from the view of the divine, it has and it will. Infiltrators will have their due. In this life or the next.

For every Judas there's a Peter, Andrew, James (the Greater), John, Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James (the less), Jude, and Simon.

As far as the war against this sick, deviant secular culture. BRING. IT. ON. We're on the right side.
 
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Given current events. Regardless of what the CCC says... What's your take? Would you do it again given this current climate? Would you do it again?

If I may respond. Given the current climate no I would not again. My take - it is a sad time in the Catholic Church
 
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Given current events. Regardless of what the CCC says... What's your take? Would you do it again given this current climate? Would you do it again?

Something to think about: it could be argued that the people who are converting now in spite of what's happening, are not going to be fair-weather Catholics.
 
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I'm in the process of converting now, and while I don't intend on stopping, the current climate in the Church has given me pause. It's a bit more difficult for me, I think, because I'm coming in from a background of atheism and unbelief, and before that really just nominal Christianity. I don't have a long background of strong faith and trust in God, or the experience of spending a lot of time enmeshed in the Church and its saints, its history, its teachings, and so on. Add that to my own personal issues and concerns about things, and it's honestly hard not to get discouraged about a lot.

God willing, I'll be able to persevere in my faith.
 
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If, while contemplating conversion, I had tuned into the news to see pachamamas being presented to the Pope and placed in a church, I would not have converted. I left Lutheranism for practical reasons and for Mary. Now that I am a Catholic, I can't revert. So I'm very lost. All I have now is Jesus. But if you were to ask me which Church He founded? I don't know anymore. I still love Mary. But she's loved outside of Rome so...My sisterly trust in one guy is keeping me tethered to Catholicism. And he's gay...so I laugh at the devilish molestor priests in derision for that one. If he converts ( leaves the Church ) I'll probably bail too.
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Given current events. Regardless of what the CCC says... What's your take? Would you do it again given this current climate? Would you do it again?
 
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I'm in the process of converting now, and while I don't intend on stopping, the current climate in the Church has given me pause. It's a bit more difficult for me, I think, because I'm coming in from a background of atheism and unbelief, and before that really just nominal Christianity. I don't have a long background of strong faith and trust in God, or the experience of spending a lot of time enmeshed in the Church and its saints, its history, its teachings, and so on. Add that to my own personal issues and concerns about things, and it's honestly hard not to get discouraged about a lot.

God willing, I'll be able to persevere in my faith.

How's your support network? When I converted I made friends with some folks in RCIA, I would occasionally meet my sponsor to have a few beers and discuss Aquinas. That's helpful. Yeah, Francis is extremely frustrating and I hope the next Pope rights the ship, but in the meantime all I can control is myself and my choices.
 
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I responded to God's call to enter the Catholic Church, despite my initial differences. I don't think I would deafen my ears and not pay attention to that voice if I had to do it now again. What bothers me the most, however, is the great schism between orthodoxy and orthopraxis. Granted: This is found in the rest of Christianity as well, especially when there is a strong focus on one and an overlook on the other; say, love when love is not the core and one starts picking and choosing which teachings of Christ and the Bible to follow, often ending in disqualifying and ostracizing others in a less than charitable manner. That, to me, is what would make me pause in the process, but never not to listen to God's voice and enter into full communion with the Catholic Church.
 
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How's your support network? When I converted I made friends with some folks in RCIA, I would occasionally meet my sponsor to have a few beers and discuss Aquinas. That's helpful. Yeah, Francis is extremely frustrating and I hope the next Pope rights the ship, but in the meantime all I can control is myself and my choices.
Almost nonexistent, really. I have one friend in RCIA who kind of brought me in, but other than that I'm practically flying solo in trying to navigate these things. I'm still trying to find a sponsor, too, so I don't have that kind of support. I struggle to make friends and what little support I have may well vanish relatively soon.
 
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