Near death experiencer describes Satan and demons and

DennisTate · Oct 25, 2019

talks about how to kick them out of your bedroom... your home... your car... .your property... and send them back to God for God to deal with them.

This could be really useful to many of us and her explanation begins after the fifty three minute mark in this fascinating video.

DennisTate · Oct 25, 2019

Matthew 4:1 (KJV)

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Presbyterian Continuist · Oct 25, 2019

The evangelist Smith Wigglesworth awoke in the middle of the night to see Satan standing at the end of his bed. He said, "Oh, it's just you." And then turned over and went back to sleep.

DennisTate · Oct 25, 2019

Oscarr said:
The evangelist Smith Wigglesworth awoke in the middle of the night to see Satan standing at the end of his bed. He said, "Oh, it's just you." And then turned over and went back to sleep.

I remember reading about that!

Smith Wigglesworth did know that the Devil and demons were real.......
but he certainly did not give in to the fear of them and he sure knew how to use
the authority and name of Jesus / Yeshua to scare them away.

CharismaticLady · Oct 25, 2019

Oscarr said:
The evangelist Smith Wigglesworth awoke in the middle of the night to see Satan standing at the end of his bed. He said, "Oh, it's just you." And then turned over and went back to sleep.

I've heard about that testimony, but didn't know who. Thanks.

CharismaticLady · Oct 25, 2019

I've had many toe cramps and leg cramps in my life, where the muscle on the bottom of your foot pulls your toe down hard, and you have to get up and walk around a while, or pull your foot up to stretch out the muscle in your leg. You always have to force it to loosen up. It doesn't loosen up on its own.

One Sunday afternoon after church I was taking a nap and I had a toe cramp. But this time I knew it was a demon, and just pointed at it and said, "demon let go of my toe in Jesus name." Suddenly it popped back up. That was the only time I knew it wasn't a natural occurrence, and immediately knew it was a demon without having to think about it.

And the pesky critter hasn't been back since!

com7fy8 · Oct 25, 2019

DennisTate said:
This could be really useful

Do you wish to discuss, here, 2 Corinthians 12:7-15, about how Paul had his "thorn in the flesh" which was "a messenger of Satan", and how he learned to deal with it?

DennisTate · Oct 26, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Do you wish to discuss, here, 2 Corinthians 12:7-15, about how Paul had his "thorn in the flesh" which was "a messenger of Satan", and how he learned to deal with it?

Sure.... I have heard a few theories on that.......
One was that he was near sighted and it was a struggle for him to write letters with his own hand???

DennisTate · Oct 28, 2019

Matthew 8

28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, there met him two possessed with demons, coming forth out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man could pass by that way.

29 And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

30 Now there was afar off from them a herd of many swine feeding.

31 And the demons besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, send us away into the herd of swine.

32 And he said unto them, Go. And they came out, and went into the swine: and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep into the sea, and perished in the waters.

33 And they that fed them fled, and went away into the city, and told everything, and what was befallen to them that were possessed with demons.

34 And behold, all the city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought [him] that he would depart from their borders.

com7fy8 · Oct 28, 2019

Hi Dennis (c: you said:
Do you think the devil or demons are real/

yes

And you said:
how to kick them out of your bedroom... your home... your car... .your property... and send them back to God for God to deal with them.

And I thought of how Paul our Apostle says he had "a messenger of Satan" who could buffet him. And he prayed three times for the Lord to take away the problem > 2 Corinthians 12:7-15. So, I asked you if you would like to discuss this >

how Paul had his "thorn in the flesh" which was "a messenger of Satan", and how he learned to deal with it

One idea about Paul's experience is . . .

what you said:
he was near sighted and it was a struggle for him to write letters with his own hand???

My consideration, about this, is that an eye problem could be a "thorn in the flesh" . . . physically. But it would not be "a messenger of Satan", which we have in 2 Corinthians 12:7.

So, I consider this "messenger of Satan" was in fact a demon.

But we are talking about how to deal with this, not only what his problem was. And what I notice is how Paul begged Jesus "three times" that it would leave Paul. But Jesus did not just make that "thorn" "thing" go away, did He?

Even though Paul had faith to do such great miracles and he had cast out demons, before, he for some reason . . . or purpose . . . was not able to make this thorn > which was a demon, in my opinion > go away.

So, why would that be? Why would God not make a demonic thing go away???? I mean, even if he had faith to pray it away, like I think Paul did > why didn't or wouldn't that work?

DennisTate · Oct 30, 2019

com7fy8 said:
yesAnd I thought of how Paul our Apostle says he had "a messenger of Satan" who could buffet him. And he prayed three times for the Lord to take away the problem > 2 Corinthians 12:7-15. So, I asked you if you would like to discuss this >
One idea about Paul's experience is . . .
My consideration, about this, is that an eye problem could be a "thorn in the flesh" . . . physically. But it would not be "a messenger of Satan", which we have in 2 Corinthians 12:7.

So, I consider this "messenger of Satan" was in fact a demon.

But we are talking about how to deal with this, not only what his problem was. And what I notice is how Paul begged Jesus "three times" that it would leave Paul. But Jesus did not just make that "thorn" "thing" go away, did He?

Even though Paul had faith to do such great miracles and he had cast out demons, before, he for some reason . . . or purpose . . . was not able to make this thorn > which was a demon, in my opinion > go away.

So, why would that be? Why would God not make a demonic thing go away???? I mean, even if we had faith to pray it away, like I think Paul did > why didn't or wouldn't that work?

Wow!!!!!!

That is very logical and could well be true!!!

I am reminded of 2 Corinthians 12
2 - 4

combined with Romans 9
Romans 10
and Romans 11 .....
where Paul after years of consideration may be willing to go into what he was not willing to tackle at the time that he wrote 2 Corinthians 12 ??????

com7fy8 · Oct 30, 2019

Hi Dennis . . . I said:
Even though Paul had faith to do such great miracles and he had cast out demons, before, he for some reason . . . or purpose . . . was not able to make this thorn > which was a demon, in my opinion > go away.

So, why would that be? Why would God not make a demonic thing go away???? I mean, even if he had faith to pray it away, like I think Paul did > why didn't or wouldn't that work?

And you said:
Wow!!!!!!

That is very logical and could well be true!!!

But, for dealing with a demonic thing > why might God not make it go away?? In Paul's case, in any case, why did Jesus not make the "thing" go away?

Paul had the faith, I would say. But he begged Jesus three times, but it did not work.

com7fy8 · Oct 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
I am reminded of 2 Corinthians 12
2 - 4

combined with Romans 9
Romans 10
and Romans 11 .....
where Paul after years of consideration may be willing to go into what he was not willing to tackle at the time that he wrote 2 Corinthians 12 ??????

Well, Dennis, I have been of the opinion that Paul wrote Romans first.

In any case > possibly you mean there was something he was not ready to do; and so his faith could not work to get rid of the "messenger of Satan" "thing".

Hmm . . . yeah, I see that could be true. We do need to be obedient, in using our faith.

And these three chapters of Romans show how God can have things work for a purpose which might not be understood by one of us

It can seem like Paul was involved in some sort of near death experience . . . or knows someone who was. And possibly he is saying he needed to be humbled by having the "thorn" "thing".

But, even if this is correct, I think there can be more to get out of this.

DennisTate · Nov 1, 2019

com7fy8 said:
But, for dealing with a demonic thing > why might God not make it go away?? In Paul's case, in any case, why did Jesus not make the "thing" go away?

Paul had the faith, I would say. But he begged Jesus three times, but it did not work.

My guess is that Paul was so off the scale intelligent and gifted that if he was not humbled somehow...... all those gifts would tend to go to his head at least somewhat.

Paul had a quite strong character and even had difficulty getting along with Barnabas and admits that in the dispute between them..... Barnabas's judgment of the young disciples proved to be correct..... and Paul admits that his judgment of him was one of his errors.

com7fy8 · Nov 4, 2019

DennisTate said:
all those gifts would tend to go to his head at least somewhat.

So, then, possibly the thorn was to help Paul get over his ego. But he did not get this message from the "messenger of Satan", but after he had a little talk with Jesus, and Jesus said,

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9)

So, yes I can see, now, Paul needed to depend on God's grace, and not depend on how his own intelligence could process those revelations.

DennisTate · Nov 8, 2019

com7fy8 said:
So, then, possibly the thorn was to help Paul get over his ego. But he did not get this message from the "messenger of Satan", but after he had a little talk with Jesus, and Jesus said,

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9)

So, yes I can see, now, Paul needed to depend on God's grace, and not depend on how his own intelligence could process those revelations.

We don't realize how dangerous pride really is......

God only dwells with the humble.....

Isa 57:15

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

com7fy8 · Nov 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
God only dwells with the humble.....

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

I see from this, how God is pleased with "a gentle and quiet spirit". And Jesus says He is "gentle and lowly in heart", in Matthew 11:28-30. So, I see a connection here, how a "gentle and quiet spirit" means gentle and humble, like Jesus is pleasing to our Father.

And this gentleness and quietness of God's love is "incorruptible". If this is "incorruptible", then no power is able to mess with this. This gentle and quiet spirit of God's love has God's own power almighty to protect us from howsoever any Satanic being would mess with us.

So, this is a point of being in the humility of Jesus, instead of our own ego. And this is what I think, now, Paul was really finding out, by means of going through his thorn thing. He not only needed to be humble about his revelations, but in every thing he needed to stay with God and do things in God's grace which is almighty to protect us against how any thorny devil would mess with us. And this grace is almighty to guarantee we succeed in doing whatsoever God really has us doing with Him.

In any situation, Paul in grace could do God's will and even take "pleasure" in his troubles > 2 Corinthians 12:10. So, he did not need to make Satanic beings go away, because Paul could simply stay submissive to God and Satan could do nothing against him. In almighty grace with God, Paul could turn any situation to God's all-loving use.

So, I would say, if a demon is acting up in some situation, first be strong in Jesus so the evil can not get the better of you. And submit to God and do what He has you doing, staying attentive to Him.

But I see how Paul at first was trying to fight back against the thorn demon. When the demon arranged different problems for Paul, Paul would try to defend himself and do damage control. But that thorn devil could parry right past Paul's defenses, and pop could go that puffed-up ego. And at first Paul begged the Lord three times to make the problem go away, but Jesus was not about to grant Paul some miracle of convenience. Paul needed to learn to always stay and obey in God's grace.

So, most of all is not only to try to get some demon to do what we say, but first we ourselves need to obey.

DennisTate · Nov 9, 2019

Oscarr said:
The evangelist Smith Wigglesworth awoke in the middle of the night to see Satan standing at the end of his bed. He said, "Oh, it's just you." And then turned over and went back to sleep.

I've been thinking about this statement quite a lot.........
and there are several major reasons why we humans can get to the place where
we have essentially zero fear of another human....... or an angel..... or a fallen angel......

1. We love them..... and we are not worried about them somehow harming us and perhaps stealing our "throne"...... our kingdom that we are building?! (This would be especially applicable in the case of parents or grandparents with their children or grandchildren).

2. We have no fear of them because we regard them as no threat.... .(not even while we are sleeping and in the case of Apostle of Faith Smith Wigglesworth this is most likely why he had no fear of Satan. Smith Wigglesworth had total faith and trust in Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and knew that Satan himself could not harm him....... unless Messiah Yeshua - Jesus allowed him........ permitted him to do so...... such as in the case of Job......... which Smith Wigglesworth knew would be somehow worked out for great good for all concerned).

3. The person or entity that you do not fear.... is like a child or grandchild to you. Most parents or grandparents do not fear to fall asleep in the same room with a child or grandchild. (Obviously if a parent or grandparent was all worried that their child or grandchild might perhaps be a modern Damien (The Omen) Thorne.... then they might NOT be so willing to go to sleep in the same room with them)?!

4. Another reason to have virtually no fear of somebody is that we like them so much that we would not really care if they got rid of us and stole whatever metaphorical or literal kingdom we are building. King David had tremendous confidence in his friend Hushai who went into the camp of King Absolom and defeated the counsel of Ahitohopel, (it is said that in this life if we have five friends like this by the time that we pass on that we are extremely blessed by G-d)!

5. What do you think would be another reason why you or anybody might have virtually zero fear of an other person, angel and / or fallen angel or ghost?????

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
I've been thinking about this statement quite a lot.........
and there are several major reasons why we humans can get to the place where
we have essentially zero fear of another human....... or an angel..... or a fallen angel......

1. We love them..... and we are not worried about them somehow harming us and perhaps stealing our "throne"...... our kingdom that we are building?! (This would be especially applicable in the case of parents or grandparents with their children or grandchildren).

2. We have no fear of them because we regard them as no threat.... .(not even while we are sleeping and in the case of Apostle of Faith Smith Wigglesworth this is most likely why he had no fear of Satan. Smith Wigglesworth had total faith and trust in Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and knew that Satan himself could not harm him....... unless Messiah Yeshua - Jesus allowed him........ permitted him to do so...... such as in the case of Job......... which Smith Wigglesworth knew would be somehow worked out for great good for all concerned).

3. The person or entity that you do not fear.... is like a child or grandchild to you. Most parents or grandparents do not fear to fall asleep in the same room with a child or grandchild. (Obviously if a parent or grandparent was all worried that their child or grandchild might perhaps be a modern Damien (The Omen) Thorne.... then they might NOT be so willing to go to sleep in the same room with them)?!

4. Another reason to have virtually no fear of somebody is that we like them so much that we would not really care if they got rid of us and stole whatever metaphorical or literal kingdom we are building. King David had tremendous confidence in his friend Hushai who went into the camp of King Absolom and defeated the counsel of Ahitohopel, (it is said that in this life if we have five friends like this by the time that we pass on that we are extremely blessed by G-d)!

5. What do you think would be another reason why you or anybody might have virtually zero fear of an other person, angel and / or fallen angel or ghost?????

I go along with your point #2.

DennisTate · Nov 12, 2019

Oscarr said:
I go along with your point #2.

Yes... that is also why I think that Smith Wigglesworth had no fear of Satan.

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Do you think the devil or demons are real/

No

Yes

Well.... maybe?????

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