81% Of White Evangelicals Back Trump

rjs330 · Oct 14, 2019

GACfan said:
We will have to agree to disagree that the left is only intolerant of other people or Christians haven't told LGBTQ that they need to change in order to accommodate Christian beliefs. If that were true, then the fight for marriage equality never would have been an enormous legal issue for homosexuals because some disgruntled Christians ranting on about their biblical beliefs and moral convictions.

We wouldn't hear about homosexuals being denied medical care or homosexuals being denied housing or homosexuals being harassed and discriminated against in the workplace or other religious based prejudice and discrimination that LGBTQ citizens have had to deal with here in the United States.

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I do believe that no medical care should be withheld from homosexuals. To deny someone that kind of care is preposterous. It would be the same as denying people food. Not a Christ like act.
And Christians should obey the laws for renting to gays if the law requires such. If they don't like it, get the law changed or stop renting.

I don't have an issue for them not renting. I don't think they should be forced to.

Again the left wants to force acceptance and celebration and approval. They want to force Christians to change.

Tolerance says you live your life and I'll live mine.

Speedwell · Oct 14, 2019

rjs330 said:
I do believe that no medical care should be withheld from homosexuals. To deny someone that kind of care is preposterous. It would be the same as denying people food. Not a Christ like act.
And Christians should obey the laws for renting to gays if the law requires such. If they don't like it, get the law changed or stop renting.

I don't have an issue for them not renting. I don't think they should be forced to.

Again the left wants to force acceptance and celebration and approval. They want to force Christians to change.

Tolerance says you live your life and I'll live mine.

What do you mean by "acceptance and celebration and approval?" Treating them as fellow citizens with the same rights as yourself? Nobody is forcing you to do more.

rjs330 · Oct 14, 2019

Speedwell said:
What do you mean by "acceptance and celebration and approval?" Treating them as fellow citizens with the same rights as yourself? Nobody is forcing you to do more.

Did you see the LGBT town hall with Oroark? They don't just want tolerance.

GACfan · Oct 14, 2019

rjs330 said:
Did you see the LGBT town hall with Oroark? They don't just want tolerance.

"There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone or any institution, any organization in America that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us," - O'Rourke

I agree with him. No American should be allowed to hide behind their religious beliefs in an attempt to justify their prejudice against homosexuals or other LGBT because they don't approve of the lifestyle.

rjs330 · Oct 14, 2019

GACfan said:
"There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone or any institution, any organization in America that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us," - O'Rourke

I agree with him. No American should be allowed to hide behind their religious beliefs in an attempt to justify their prejudice against homosexuals or other LGBT because they don't approve of the lifestyle.

Yes they want to punish people for not accepting homosexuality. The goal is to shut down every church and religious institution. Tolerance is not enough. They are the intolerant ones. We don't ask the government to punish homosexuals. They are totally against the freedom of religion. The freedom to believe and act on the beliefs. Make no mistake, they will eventually be going after us for teaching out kids that homosexuality is sinful.

Speedwell · Oct 14, 2019

rjs330 said:
Did you see the LGBT town hall with Oroark? They don't just want tolerance.

Just as I said, and as Beto said, they want "the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us,"

You are not being "forced" to do more.

Speedwell · Oct 14, 2019

rjs330 said:
Yes they want to punish people for not accepting homosexuality.

For not affording them the same rights as any other citizen.

The goal is to shut down every church and religious institution.

No. In Beto's case, he only wants to take away the tax-exempt status of those churches which deny the civil rights of their fellow citizens.

Tolerance is not enough.

Tolerance includes recognizing their civil rights.

We don't ask the government to punish homosexuals.

How very "tolerant" of you.

They are totally against the freedom of religion. The freedom to believe and act on the beliefs.

By infringing on the civil rights of fellow citizens. But here is no freedom for any of us to deny the civil rights of any citizen.

Make no mistake, they will eventually be going after us for teaching out kids that homosexuality is sinful.

Yeah, right.

GACfan · Oct 14, 2019

Speedwell said:
For not affording them the same rights as any other citizen. No. In Beto's case, he only wants to take away the tax-exempt status of those churches which deny the civil rights of their fellow citizens. Tolerance includes recognizing their civil rights. How very "tolerant" of you. By infringing on the civil rights of fellow citizens. But here is no freedom for any of us to deny the civil rights of any citizen. Yeah, right.

Well said, Speedwell.

I just wanted to say that your statement immediately reminded me of these famous quotes.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

"The injustice you allow against others will become injustice that comes against you." Leonard Peltier

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coffee4u · Oct 14, 2019

hislegacy said:
No - I do not think allowing men in the same bathroom as my daughter is a benefit to American Society. I am the father of three girls and three boys - I take serious issue with it.

Yes, as a woman I think it's a terrible idea.

Speedwell said:
How old is your daughter? If she is a child then you have a gripe and most Dems will side with you.

The woman's bathroom was one place a woman could escape to, to either get away from a bad date, a man she was scared of or to just talk privately; now where are we supposed to go that is a safe space free of men? The female in question can be any age.

Cimorene · Oct 14, 2019

Veritas said:
No, your generation is going to be "grappling" with the ramifications of socialism and leftwing corruption. Maybe start with your own corrupt PM before attacking American "patriotism" from Canada.

I have started with the corrupt leader of the country I'm a citizen of. He is someone who attacks Americans routinely. He is someone who is absolutely deserving of having his patriotism called into question as you did with the "" bc it's not authentic, it's all for show. My generation is going to be grappling with the ramifications of the corrupt leader of my home country for yrs to come, not the bogeymen he ignorantly created.

I am an American. The leader of the country I was born in, the leader of the only country in the world that I am a citizen of is Donald Trump.

Skreeper · Oct 15, 2019

rjs330 said:
We don't ask the government to punish homosexuals.

Sure you do. The religious right wants gay marriage revoked and I don't see you guys promoting equal rights t for gay people.

rjs330 said:
And Christians should obey the laws for renting to gays if the law requires such. If they don't like it, get the law changed or stop renting.

I don't have an issue for them not renting. I don't think they should be forced to.

See, that's the problem. It seems you would be fine with every landlord denying gay couples housing. Where are we supposed to live if we can't rent an apartment?

Thats the point of anti-discrimination laws. Do you think denying gay people housing just because of their sexuality is tolerance???

Fantine · Oct 15, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
What's your point? The blacks voted for Obama so now the Whites must vote for Donald?

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GACfan · Oct 15, 2019

Skreeper said:
Sure you do. The religious right wants gay marriage revoked and I don't see you guys promoting equal rights for gay people.

As a Christian, I will always advocate for equal rights for all LGBT people. I don't believe LGBT citizens should be denied civil rights and equality because of their sexual orientation. I will always be an ally.

Skreeper said:
See, that's the problem. It seems you would be fine with every landlord denying gay couples housing. Where are we supposed to live if we can't rent an apartment?

Thats the point of anti-discrimination laws. Do you think denying gay people housing just because of their sexuality is tolerance???

I guess gay people are expected to live out on the street in complete poverty.

On a side note, many right wing Christians are in favor of gay conversion therapy. As a Christian, I'm relieved that conversion therapy is now banned in several states in America. This warped practice isn't banned in all 50 states, but the progress to ban it so far is a significant step in the right direction.

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TLK Valentine · Oct 15, 2019

rjs330 said:
Tolerance says you live your life and I'll live mine.

True, but society says that at some point, your life and mine are going to intersect... and there are rules for how we have to treat one another when that happens.

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