Trump Ends Fight Against ISIS

mark46 · Oct 10, 2019

Trump is keeping his campaign promise of getting out of the Middle East. He has agreed to favor his buddies leading Turkey and Russia, and allow Turkey to invade and take territory. The Kurds will be massacred, and tens of thousands of ISIS fighters will escape.

The main opponents of this policy in the US are establishment Republicans, the military, the State Dept, and the intelligence community.
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We should understand that this will HELP Trump in the election. Trump getting our troops out of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan will be popular. For me, I would like our troops out of Saudi Arabia. Leaving a few thousands in the other three countries is OK.

childeye 2 · Oct 10, 2019

Keeping promises that were shortsighted to begin with is not an accolade. It's wrong to betray one of our best allies.

SimplyMe · Oct 10, 2019

We shall see if it benefits or hurts Trump in the long run, I think you are oversimplifying and projecting what you are wanting to happen. The biggest issue is, with those camps being full of ISIS supporters and that the Kurds are the ones guarding the camps, the Turks killing the Kurds could cause the escape, or even release, of many ISIS supporters and lead to a rebirth of ISIS. I don't think that would help Trump.

Cimorene · Oct 10, 2019

Like Trump said he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose voters. His decision will lead to way more people being slaughtered than that, but the sentiment of what Trump said was actually true.

A lot of ISIS will manage to escape, just move elsewhere. Innocent ppl will get hurt.

Silverback · Oct 10, 2019

mark46 said:
Trump is keeping his campaign promise of getting out of the Middle East. He has agreed to favor his buddies leading Turkey and Russia, and allow Turkey to invade and take territory. The Kurds will be massacred, and tens of thousands of ISIS fighters will escape.

The main opponents of this policy in the US are establishment Republicans, the military, the State Dept, and the intelligence community.
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We should understand that this will HELP Trump in the election. Trump getting our troops out of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan will be popular. For me, I would like our troops out of Saudi Arabia. Leaving a few thousands in the other three countries is OK.

I think this guarantees the Islamic State will wash-up on our shores. Bad policy

mark46 · Oct 10, 2019

By Election Day, after almost 20 years, no Americans will be being killed in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

Why do you expect Americans to care how many locals are dying in the Middle East? Voters have largely ignore what has happened in Yemen, with US support.

If ISIS takes territory and kills many before the election, Trump will simply say that this is the business of the local countries, not the issue of the US. It certainly won't be the Democrats calling for the US to send troops to help those being killed.

SimplyMe said:
We shall see if it benefits or hurts Trump in the long run, I think you are oversimplifying and projecting what you are wanting to happen. The biggest issue is, with those camps being full of ISIS supporters and that the Kurds are the ones guarding the camps, the Turks killing the Kurds could cause the escape, or even release, of many ISIS supporters and lead to a rebirth of ISIS. I don't think that would help Trump.

mark46 · Oct 10, 2019

Trump is hoping than ISIS will concentrate on European shores, given that 2000 of the prisoners are from Europe, and that Turkey will likely release lots of refugees from Turkey into Europe.

After all, with our troops gone, there is much less reason for ISIS to focus on the US.

Silverback said:
I think this guarantees the Islamic State will wash-up on our shores. Bad policy

SimplyMe · Oct 10, 2019

mark46 said:
By Election Day, after almost 20 years, no Americans will be being killed in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

Why do you expect Americans to care how many locals are dying in the Middle East? Voters have largely ignore what has happened in Yemen, with US support.

If ISIS takes territory and kills many before the election, Trump will simply say that this is the business of the local countries, not the issue of the US. It certainly won't be the Democrats calling for the US to send troops to help those being killed.

Except, again, if it brings terrorism, or even just fears of terrorism, back to the US. I think you forget, one of the justifications for Iraq and Afghanistan was that it was better to have our military fight (and some die) to stop terrorism in the Middle East, rather than to have terrorists kill civilians in the US.

I also think you underestimate the generational hatred by some in the Middle East towards the US. I think it is naive to think they won't want to strike the US. Not to mention that we are still supporting Israel, including the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- that alone will make us a target.

Tanj · Oct 10, 2019

mark46 said:
After all, with our troops gone, there is much less reason for ISIS to focus on the US.

Right, because if there's one thing fanatic terrorists are known for, it's reason and logic. It's not remotely possible they will see the withdrawal as faltering weakness on the part of the Great Satan emboldening them to further anti US activity. That couldn't possibly happen. :doh:

Silverback · Oct 10, 2019

SimplyMe said:
Except, again, if it brings terrorism, or even just fears of terrorism, back to the US. I think you forget, one of the justifications for Iraq and Afghanistan was that it was better to have our military fight (and some die) to stop terrorism in the Middle East, rather than to have terrorists kill civilians in the US.

I also think you underestimate the generational hatred by some in the Middle East towards the US. I think it is naive to think they won't want to strike the US. Not to mention that we are still supporting Israel, including the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- that alone will make us a target.

Our withdrawal will be seen only as weakness, and Iraq will fall to the IS, and Afghanistan to the Taliban.

SoldierOfTheKing · Oct 13, 2019

Silverback said:
Our withdrawal will be seen only as weakness, and Iraq will fall to the IS, and Afghanistan to the Taliban.

So what? If ISIS makes a comeback in Iraq, we can do what we should have done to begin with - let Iran handle it. And who cares who's in charge of that primitive mountain wilderness called Afghanistan? If they want to live under the Taliban, that's on them.

Allandavid · Oct 13, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
So what? If ISIS makes a comeback in Iraq, we can do what we should have done to begin with - let Iran handle it. And who cares who's in charge of that primitive mountain wilderness called Afghanistan? If they want to live under the Taliban, that's on them.

And if some of them manage to get into the US and fly some planes into skyscrapers and kill a few thousand...who cares?

SoldierOfTheKing · Oct 13, 2019

Certainly not those who were beside themselves with indignation when the President suggested that maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to let people like that into the country.

Allandavid · Oct 13, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Certainly not those who were beside themselves with indignation when the President suggested that maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to let people like that into the country.

“People like that”..??

Don’t be coy....who do you mean?

Aryeh Jay · Oct 13, 2019

Another promises kept!

Praise God!

After four more years of Thump, the world will be unrecognizable.

TLK Valentine · Oct 13, 2019

Allandavid said:
And if some of them manage to get into the US and fly some planes into skyscrapers and kill a few thousand...who cares?

Certainly not Donald -- as long as the skyscraper isn't one of his.

Nithavela · Oct 13, 2019

If the terrorists are smart, they hit the USA between the election and inauguration of Trumps second term.

TLK Valentine · Oct 13, 2019

SimplyMe said:
We shall see if it benefits or hurts Trump in the long run, I think you are oversimplifying and projecting what you are wanting to happen. The biggest issue is, with those camps being full of ISIS supporters and that the Kurds are the ones guarding the camps, the Turks killing the Kurds could cause the escape, or even release, of many ISIS supporters and lead to a rebirth of ISIS. I don't think that would help Trump.

Well, if ISIS were to be reborn, our evacuation from the Middle East would most likely mean they'd be a problem only for Europe... which would benefit the US, I suppose.

Or... ISIS on the rebound will require a strong, tough, no-nonsense leader to fight them... a segment of the American population could be bamboozled into thinking that Donald was such a person... which would benefit him immensely come next November.

wing2000 · Oct 13, 2019

mark46 said:
After all, with our troops gone, there is much less reason for ISIS to focus on the US.

More US troops were sent to Saudi Arabia this past week. The U.S. soldier for hire.

Nithavela · Oct 13, 2019

wing2000 said:
More US troops were sent to Saudi Arabia this past week. The U.S. soldier for hire.

The best army money can buy.

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