Do non-Catholic Christians need to become Catholic?-

Michie · Oct 5, 2019

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Marcus and JonMarc Grodi

Note: this is an educational article from the Catholic perspective for Catholics and anyone else interested.

In this age when so many forms of Christianity exist, and so often the mode of Chistianity one chooses tends to be based on habit or preference, what are we to make of Christ's prayer in John 17 that all His followers be one?

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anna ~ grace · Oct 5, 2019

Thanks, Michie. I needed to read this. Please pray for me; struggling. Apathy, tiredness, pride, pessimism, and what feels like a lack of silver lining are getting tough. Interestingly, I heard this exact same message on EWTN radio last night. The speakers mentioned that it is possible to intellectually come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church was truly founded by Christ, yet not enter Her. To shrug our shoulders emotionally, and just be "blah".

dzheremi · Oct 5, 2019

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Thanks anyway.

Lady Bug · Oct 5, 2019

mothcorrupteth · Oct 5, 2019

No, but I wouldn't respect any Catholic who didn't say "yes."

chevyontheriver · Oct 5, 2019

Lady Bug said:
If we're (royal we) are going to argue that it's not necessary, I give up

A lot of 'us' Catholics have decided it's not at all necessary. And Marcus Grodi addressed that problem. The reality is that we have two polar extremes in understanding 'No Salvation Outside of the Church', one which flat out rejects that dogma, and the other which flatout says all Protestants go to hell. The video soundly points out the real Catholic position, which is neither of those extremes. Those who know the Church is instituted by God must join. Those who can't figure that out yet are still beloved by God. It's our job to help them figure it out. Not to condemn them, nor on the other hand presume all will go well for them just as they are.

pdudgeon · Oct 5, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
A lot of 'us' Catholics have decided it's not at all necessary. And Marcus Grodi addressed that problem. The reality is that we have two polar extremes in understanding 'No Salvation Outside of the Church', one which flat out rejects that dogma, and the other which flatout says all Protestants go to hell. The video soundly points out the real Catholic position, which is neither of those extremes. Those who know the Church is instituted by God must join. Those who can't figure that out yet are still beloved by God. It's our job to help them figure it out. Not to condemn them, nor on the other hand presume all will go well for them just as they are.

I like that! It's like lambs who are curious to "see what's outside the fence". Fortunately we have a Good, attentive, Shepherd who watches over us, seeks and finds where we have wandered to, and brings us back home. :clap:

chevyontheriver · Oct 5, 2019

pdudgeon said:
I like that! It's like lambs who are curious to "see what's outside the fence". Fortunately we have a Good, attentive, Shepherd who watches over us, seeks and finds where we have wandered to, and brings us back home.

Vatican II is in accord with the older teaching of the Church, which is Cyprian filtered through Augustine. Cyprian alone is not what we believe. Nor is an anti-Cyprian position that everybody is saved acceptable, which is what the Modernists have been trying to teach us in the unholy 'spirit' of Vatican II. There still is a real place for old fashioned missions to the unsaved and even to Protestants. We still have a job to help people along their way.

Imagine this: You die and are judged by God. As witness against you is a young person who you failed to help see the light of Christ within the Catholic Church. But a Baptist did reach them and teach them about Jesus, getting them baptized, before they died and entered heaven. He says to you that you did not care for him, that as a result he was taught many wrong things, that you blew it but Jesus the Merciful said this too is a friend of mine, so the Father accepted him. You go off to purgatory knowing how you failed him, failed Christ, failed the Father because you would not put in a good word to this guy who you just presumed was already saved because everybody is automatically saved. Or maybe it isn't purgatory that you go to but to a darker place. I'm NOT saying You in particular, but that WE have a lot to be judged on.

charsan · Oct 5, 2019

I will be honest I would mostly likely still be Catholic if it was not for the current pope

Rhamiel · Oct 5, 2019

Luke 10:16 tells about what happens when you reject the ministers ordained by the Lord

Stabat Mater dolorosa · Oct 5, 2019

charsan said:
I will be honest I would mostly likely still be Catholic if it was not for the current pope

Yes, heretics cause scandal no doubt.

anna ~ grace · Oct 5, 2019

charsan said:
I will be honest I would mostly likely still be Catholic if it was not for the current pope

You've got to see beyond the Pope, man. Look at Saint Peter.

Stabat Mater dolorosa · Oct 5, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
You've got to see beyond the Pope, man. Look at Saint Peter.

You know it's hard to look past this pope sister. We cannot be surprised people leave or chose not to enter the church under these circumstances.
To be honest, if I weren't already catholic I wouldn't have joined at this point.
If I loved Marxism that much I'd become a communist not a pseudo-catholic as is the case in Bergoglios new order-church.

The current leadership has a very cooling effect on genuine seekers.
To pinpoint this matter I'd say that, if so happens that it goes a schim I'm certain I'll leave this path we're currently on and renounce Francis as pope.

concretecamper · Oct 5, 2019

God established the Church to bring souls to Himself. God did not make salvation complicated. You are part of the Church, participate in Her sacraments, and follow Her teachings. It is that simple. Ambiguous definitions or explanations simply don't make any sense.

anna ~ grace · Oct 5, 2019

Stabat Mater said:
You know it's hard to look past this pope sister. We cannot be surprised people leave or chose not to enter the church under these circumstances.
To be honest, if I weren't already catholic I wouldn't have joined at this point.
If I loved Marxism that much I'd become a communist not a pseudo-catholic as is the case in Bergoglios new order-church.

The current leadership has a very cooling effect on genuine seekers.
To pinpoint this matter I'd say that, if so happens that it goes a schim I'm certain I'll leave this path we're currently on and renounce Francis as pope.

It is terribly hard, I know. But one thing which strikes me is that those men closest to the top, closest to the Pope, like Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Sarah, are staying. They are wise, sound, orthodox, and prayerful. They know probably more than we ever will about how bad things actually are, yet they stay.

charsan · Oct 5, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
You've got to see beyond the Pope, man. Look at Saint Peter.

The Pope is supposed to be like St. Peter, maybe he is in the courtyard phase. I don't hate the Church and I defend her on forums but I just can't be a part of it anymore. Another thing I am no longer sure the Church is the one, hopefully no one hates me for saying that.

Michie · Oct 5, 2019

What she says and what she does lately is demoralizing for a lot of us.

chevyontheriver · Oct 5, 2019

charsan said:
The Pope is supposed to be like St. Peter, maybe he is in the courtyard phase. I don't hate the Church and I defend her on forums but I just can't be a part of it anymore. Another thing I am no longer sure the Church is the one, hopefully no one hates me for saying that.
You aren't hated. And we get it that it's a hard time to be a Catholic. Not impossible, but hard. This Catholic Church is the place where the gates of hell cannot actually win, even if we are wounded along the way.

Lady Bug · Oct 5, 2019

I don't know. Right now my biggest discouragement may not even be the faults of the leaders in the Church, it's the aggressive resistance and false accusations that non-Catholics hurl at the Catholics. This evening I was reading about how non-Catholics hate the crucifix and insist that it means that Catholics downplay the resurrection and that just made my blood BOIL. I don't want to have anything to do with people who act this way. It's like this - - no matter what you may learn about this faith, no matter what words you think you got ready for some vigilante Evangelical, they have rebuttals that disarm you all over again even though you KNOW their rebuttals are full of crap. But they DON'T want to learn, they just want to be right. I think it's a matter of not even bothering to try to talk to people who don't and won't learn and, on the one hand, listen to what other people tell them about the Catholic Church, and turn around and say that the teachings of the Church are the teachings of men. Aren't they listening to man's words when they repeat things they've "learned" about the church? Every time I feel a newfound zeal, a newfound fire for the faith, something happens and I go two steps back...

anna ~ grace · Oct 5, 2019

charsan said:
The Pope is supposed to be like St. Peter, maybe he is in the courtyard phase. I don't hate the Church and I defend her on forums but I just can't be a part of it anymore. Another thing I am no longer sure the Church is the one, hopefully no one hates me for saying that.

No one hates you, Charsan. I know you defend Her on here quite a lot. Follow Christ, my friend. Keep your eyes on Him. That's the best advice I can give.

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