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mkgal1 said:

But does it say He does "kill the soul"?

How do you reconcile the belief of only a few are saved (in reference to an afterlife away from His presence forever) to these passages?:

Ps. 86:9, “ALL nations whom you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name.”

Ps. 65: 2, “Oh, You that hears prayer, unto you shall ALL flesh come.”

Ps. 22: 27, “ALL the ends of the earth shall remember and TURN unto the Lord; and ALL the kindreds of the nations shall worship before you.”

Isa. 45:22-25, “Look unto me and be you saved, ALL the ends of the earth, for I am God, and there is none else. I have SWORN by myself; the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me EVERY knee shall bow, EVERY tongue shall swear, surely shall say: "In the Lord have I RIGHTEOUSNESS and strength."

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Psalms are not doctrinal statements, they allow for poetic license. And the Isaiah passage is calling all to be saved, not saying all will. Certainly, ever knee will bow in submission, not all willingly.

renniks said:

No where does it say one can not reject salvation.

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Salvation from what, though?

mkgal1 said:

Salvation from what, though?

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Eternal separation from God.

renniks said:

Eternal separation from God.

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Show me a passage that explains it that way. Clearly if that's the message God sends to us through His word and His incarnate life through Christ, we'd have that spelled out for us repeatedly.

renniks said:

Psalms are not doctrinal statements, they allow for poetic license. And the Isaiah passage is calling all to be saved, not saying all will. Certainly, ever knee will bow in submission, not all willingly.

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The Old Testament, in general, is Hebrew poetry - but we shouldn't dismiss it because of that. We should attempt to understand it in its context.

FineLinen said:

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If one were to come up with something to support that idea then that would have to also mean God is NOT omnipresent as David believed Him to be.

FineLinen said:

"It's not about us inviting Jesus into our hearts.

It's about us coming to see that He's already included us in His."


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If I read Luke 14:15-23 correctly, it is Jesus who is doing the inviting! Everyone is invited to the great banquet but not everyone will come. The master tells his servant to bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame. There is a place at the table for anyone who wants to be there. As Revelation 22:17 states "The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let the one who hears say, "Come!" Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life."

FineLinen said:

Hi there Anthony: It is interesting in this parable of the Christ regarding the servants going into the highways and byways. All the great excuses of why attendance at the feast is impossible, leads to the servants going out to compel others to come to the feast.

Anakazo actually means to put constraint upon by threat, entreaty, force or persuasion and is closely linked with parabiazomi meaning using force.

The great excuses guys fail to attend, while others in the highways and byways are compelled to attend by constraint. Go figure.

Thank you for your post, my British friend, I actually have never thought of this parable in any depth before. I am heading off now to think of why the Master said>>>

He opened their understanding that they might understand the Scriptures.

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Hi FineLinen! My favourite parts of the Bible are Jesus's parables. There is always something new to discover every time you read them!

FineLinen said:

Dear Ren: Salvation begins in Him and ends in Him. This is not a giant Heavenly gambling casino of chance, 1st or 2nd or third au nauseum. He calls, we answer! One must hear Him say "come", but and until you hear Him all is in vain.

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Yes, " He who has ears let him hear," but most choose to be deaf. Who said anything about chance? There's a reason for everything, it's just that often the reason is foolishness and pride.

mkgal1 said:

If one were to come up with something to support that idea then that would have to also mean God is NOT omnipresent as David believed Him to be.

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Lol, that's absurd. Just because the word separation isn't used, doesn't make it less true. God can't remove his presence? Is God subject to his own attributes?

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Your computer must be defective. Here's what mine spat out:

2 Thessalonians 1:9 ESV / 32 helpful votes
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

Revelation 20:11-15 ESV / 13 helpful votes
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

John 3:16 ESV / 11 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Matthew 25:41 ESV / 11 helpful votes
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 10:28 ESV / 9 helpful votes
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 2:6-8 ESV / 7 helpful votes
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

John 1:12 ESV / 7 helpful votes
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Revelation 20:10 ESV / 6 helpful votes
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

1 Peter 3:18 ESV / 6 helpful votes
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

Hebrews 9:27 ESV / 6 helpful votes
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Romans 5:8 ESV / 6 helpful votes
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 3:23 ESV / 6 helpful votes
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

John 6:66-71 ESV / 6 helpful votes
After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” ...

Revelation 21:8 ESV / 5 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 20:15 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Ephesians 2:9 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

John 14:6 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Ephesians 2:8 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Romans 6:23 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 5:11-12 ESV / 3 helpful votes
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1 John 1:8 ESV / 3 helpful votes
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

2 Peter 2:4 ESV / 3 helpful votes
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 3 helpful votes
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 1:13-14 ESV / 3 helpful votes
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.