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1 John 2:1-2 ESV

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus Christ, God the Son, died on a cross one day many years ago so that we could be delivered from our slavery to sin, and so that we could walk righteously before our God. He who knew no sin became sin for us on that cross that we might become the righteousness of God, and that we might no longer live for ourselves, but for him who gave his life up for us.

The whole point of Jesus’ love offering to us via his death on a cross was not just to forgive us our sins so that we could go to heaven when we die. For, he died that we might die with him to sin and live with him to his righteousness. Thus, when he took our place on that cross, he bought us back for God with his blood so that we would now be God’s possession, and so that we would now honor God with our lives – minds, hearts, and bodies.

So, when we come to faith in Jesus Christ, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin, and we are raised with Christ to newness of life in him, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. The old has gone. The new has come. But, it doesn’t end there. Now we are to daily die to sin and self, and to daily live for Jesus in obedience to his commands – all in the power and working of God’s Holy Spirit now living within us.

Nonetheless, we still live in this world. We still live in flesh bodies. We still have the propensity to sin against God, and we are still tempted to sin. Our flesh is at war with the Spirit, and the Spirit is at war with the flesh. So, although Jesus died to deliver us from sin, and he empowers us to live free from sin, it doesn’t mean we will never sin. But, when we do sin, Jesus’ blood sacrifice still covers that sin, and he will help us to not sin, too.

1 John 2:3-6 ESV

And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Yet, lest we begin to think, now that Jesus forgave us our sins, that we can go on sinning, making it our practice, and that it won’t impact our eternal life, we need to take in the reality of what John just said here.

True faith in Jesus Christ involves both repentance and obedience to Jesus Christ. It does not mean we will never sin against God. But, it does mean that we now make it our lifestyle, our practice to live for our Lord and to do what he says. If we make it our practice to follow our Lord in obedience, in his power and strength, then this is how we know that we have truly come to know him.

And, the opposite of this is true, as well. If we do not make it our practice to follow our Lord in obedience, and/or if we have this attitude in our hearts that says we can keep on sinning, now that we are under grace, and yet we claim to know him, we are liars (See also 1 Jn. 1:5-9). For, to know him is to walk in obedience to his commands.

Jesus said that his sheep listen to him and that they follow (obey) him. He said that if anyone would come after him, he must deny self, take up his cross daily and follow (obey) him. And, to follow him means not just to do what he says, but also to walk like he walked, doing the kinds of things he did and said, following his example for how to live and to love others.

1 John 2:7-11 ESV

Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining. Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

Love and hate are opposites. We can’t love and hate at the same time, unless it is that we are loving righteousness and we are hating evil. But, if we are making hate our practice towards other human beings, then we are not walking in love. And, here it says that if hate is what we practice, that we are not walking in the light, but we are still walking in darkness.

This is not to say that we will never get upset with other people when they sin against us, or that we won’t have to confront others with their sins against us. For love for others does not pacify or placate sin. True love speaks the truth in love. True love helps others out of their sinful addictions. It does not pat them on the back to try to console them in their sin.

True love also forgives others for their sins against us. Yet, forgiveness does not mean we then turn a blind eye to further sin. Forgiveness does not give permission for continued and willful sin. It doesn’t ignore sinful patterns of behavior, and it doesn’t put the innocent in harm’s way. It is gracious, and it is loving, but it is also wise and discerning. Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, “Go and sin no more.”

Also, if we make it our practice to sin against others via lies, deception, manipulation, trickery, adultery, stealing, cheating, false accusations, slander, gossip, spite, and abuse, then don’t call it love. That is hate. And, Jesus said that to hate is the same as to murder.

So, when you lust after that other person and/or you go to that inappropriate content site, don’t make light of it, or think it is no big deal, and don’t call it entertainment or relaxation, or justify it in any way. If you are married, it is adultery. If you are not married, it is still adultery against God.

Remember that the scriptures teach that love does no harm to its neighbor. It doesn’t take advantage of others to fulfill its own lustful desires. True love does what is in the best interest of others, what is for their good, as God defines good. It is concerned for the welfare of others, for what is beneficial to them, which is foremost that they know God, and that they walk in holiness in His power and strength, and that they are free from their slavery to sin, and that they have true hope of eternal life with God.

There is a lot of hate in the world, though, and in the hearts of many who profess faith in Jesus Christ, too, because they are still holding on to their sinful practices, and they have not truly submitted to Jesus Christ as Lord of their lives. And, those who hate will also hate those who are walking in righteousness and holiness, and they will persecute us. But, we need to forgive them, and we need to return their hate with love.

All Through the Night

An Original Work / December 7, 2013
Based off Various Scriptures


Blessed are you when you’re persecuted
Because of your faith in Jesus Christ.
Blessed are you when people insult you,
And falsely say what leads folks to doubt.
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is
Great in the heavens. You’re not alone.

When you are persecuted in one place,
Flee to another. God will be there.
You will be hated by all the nations
Because you testify of God’s grace.
Many will seize you and persecute you,
And put to death the foll’wers of Christ.

Yet, do not fear what humans may do to you,
For I’m with you all through the night.
I tell you, love your enemies with my love,
And forgive as I forgave you.
Pray for those who do evil against you.
Rest in my love and grace from above.

 

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We are free of the guilt of sin, but not free from temptation to sin.
Jesus set us free from slavery to sin. If we continue to walk in sin, we dont know him, and we don't have eternal life in him.
 
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Really. You never sin.
John, the Bible says that if we walk (in lifestyle, in practice) according to our flesh, and not according to the Spirit, that we don't have eternal life with God. I am just teaching what the Bible teaches. It says if we make sin our practice, we don't have eternal life with God. It says if we don't walk in obedience to the Lord's commands, we don't know him. It doesn't say we will never sin. But, it does say that sin should no longer be our master. Sin should no longer be what controls our lives. And, it says that we will reap what we sow. If we sow to please the flesh, from the flesh we will reap destruction (decay), but if we sow to please the Spirit of God, from the Spirit we will reap eternal life.

See: Jn. 8:51; 14:23-24; Ro. 6:16; Heb. 5:9; 1 Jn. 2:3-6; 3:24; 5:3; 2 Jn. 1:6; 1 Pet. 1:2; Lu. 9:23-25; Jn. 6:35-66; Jn. 10:27-30; Ac. 26:16-18; Rom. 6:1-23; Rom. 8:1-17; 2 Co. 5:15, 21; Gal. 1:3-5; Gal. 2:20; Gal. 5:19-21; Gal. 6:7-8; Eph. 2:8-10; Eph. 4:17-24; Eph. 5:3-6; Col. 1:13-14, 21-23; Tit. 2:11-14; 1 Pet. 1:13-16; 1 Pet. 2:9-10; 1 Pet. 2:24-25; & 1 Jn. 1:5-9; Jn. 8:31-32; Rom. 11:17-24; I Co. 15:2; II Tim 2:10-13; Heb. 3:6, 14-15; 2 Pet. 1:5-11; I Jn. 2:24-25
 
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John, the Bible says that if we walk (in lifestyle, in practice) according to our flesh, and not according to the Spirit, that we don't have eternal life with God. I am just teaching what the Bible teaches. It says if we make sin our practice, we don't have eternal life with God. It says if we don't walk in obedience to the Lord's commands, we don't know him. It doesn't say we will never sin. But, it does say that sin should no longer be our master. Sin should no longer be what controls our lives. And, it says that we will reap what we sow. If we sow to please the flesh, from the flesh we will reap destruction (decay), but if we sow to please the Spirit of God, from the Spirit we will reap eternal life.

So you sin.
What do you mean by practice?
Do you only commit sins you have never commited before, or do you commit the same sins repeatedly?

What I am getting at is Christians sin. They sin repeatedly and we need to constantly reyurn to Jesus for cleansing.
 
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So you sin.
What do you mean by practice?
Do you only commit sins you have never commited before, or do you commit the same sins repeatedly?

What I am getting at is Christians sin. They sin repeatedly and we need to constantly reyurn to Jesus for cleansing.

John, your contention is not with me, but with scripture. It isn't what I mean, but what God means. So, you need to ask him what he means. I believe it is quite clear, for the context bears that out what he means. And, I have already shared that, in detail. So, I suggest you read the scriptures for which I gave you references, which were many, and it will be quite clear what God means by "practice" and by our "walks."
 
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John, your contention is not with me, but with scripture. It isn't what I mean, but what God means. So, you need to ask him what he means. I believe it is quite clear, for the context bears that out what he means. And, I have already shared that, in detail. So, I suggest you read the scriptures for which I gave you references, which were many, and it will be quite clear what God means by "practice" and by our "walks."

Scripture is as you say crystal clear.

We are All sinners. We need to repent of our sins repeatedly.
There is no point hiding from these biblical facts.

That we are exorted to live a sin free life only drives home that we are sinners who cannot stop sinning and of our need of a saviour.

The false doctrine of sinless pefection should not be taught.
 
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Scripture is as you say crystal clear.

We are All sinners. We need to repent of our sins repeatedly.
There is no point hiding from these biblical facts.

That we are exorted to live a sin free life only drives home that we are sinners who cannot stop sinning and of our need of a saviour.

The false doctrine of sinless pefection should not be taught.
John, not teaching sinless perfection. The Bible is clear. If we walk according to the flesh we will die in our sins. If we walk according to the Spirit, we have eternal life.
 
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John, not teaching sinless perfection. The Bible is clear. If we walk according to the flesh we will die in our sins. If we walk according to the Spirit, we have eternal life.
Looks like it to me.
esus set us free from slavery to sin. If we continue to walk in sin, we dont know him, and we don't have eternal life in him

Why do you think I pushed you about personal sin?
None of us want to sin, but it is a reality of life that we do sin.

So if we all sin, including you, are you a Christian?
I would say yes, but what do you say?
 
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Looks like it to me.


Why do you think I pushed you about personal sin?
None of us want to sin, but it is a reality of life that we do sin.

So if we all sin, including you, are you a Christian?
I would say yes, but what do you say?

Luke 9:23-25: “And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself?”

John 10:27-30: “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

Gal. 5:19-21: “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 6:7-8: “Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”

Ephesians 4:17-24: “Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ! — assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.”

Eph. 5:3-6: But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Col. 1:13-14: “For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”

Col. 1:21-23: And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”

Titus 2:11-14: “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.”

1 Pet. 1:13-16: Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

1 Pet. 2:24-25: “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.”

Ro. 8:3-14: “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

“You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”

1 Jn. 1:5-9: “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
 
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Luke 9:23-25: “And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself?”

John 10:27-30: “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

Gal. 5:19-21: “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 6:7-8: “Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”

Ephesians 4:17-24: “Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ! — assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.”

Eph. 5:3-6: But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Col. 1:13-14: “For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”

Col. 1:21-23: And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”

Titus 2:11-14: “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.”

1 Pet. 1:13-16: Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

1 Pet. 2:24-25: “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.”

Ro. 8:3-14: “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

“You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”

1 Jn. 1:5-9: “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

So you can quote scripture, so what.

You have quoted scripture that say Christians do not sin and other scrippture that says they do sin.

Now show you undertsand those two sets of scripture and apply those scripture to life. The life we all live.
 
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