Can a born again Christian repent?

Can a born again Christian repent?

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It is a good thing there is no sin a born of God person can do that will separate them from being saved, beloved by God. v9 should teach you eternal life in Christ is eternal, not temporary eternal life.
1 John 3
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

You can not be unborn once you are born.
 
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Amen! To many think that Salvation is a one tme event like this thread here

I believe salvation consists of two parts. First part is being born again. Second part is continuing in an obedience/love/faith relationship with God. The first is of no use without the other and the other can't be done without the first. We could discuss this in another thread if you. like since this is OT.
 
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From my perspective a person is born again by the act of God. Since I was young, I was taught a person is born again by the decision of the person. So, of course, I doubted my salvation a lot, thinking my fickle heart was the measure of it. Although I believed once saved = always saved, the real question was, was my decision true. At meetings and so many other times, alone or with others, I was constantly feeling and crying out my repentance and desire for God to inhabit my heart, not realizing that it had long ago happened.

Yes, a born again person can repent. In fact, if they aren't turning their back on sin, they have no reason to claim to be born again.

And you are correct. Regeneration means literally, born again, or possibly, remade.

My own rebirth experience was a quite intense experience. It was a complete u-turn. I gave away all my music cds, kept only the Christian ones. I sold my fantasy collection, which before was my biggest passion. Took down posters from the walls. I listened to worship music all day long and many more things changed. From one second to the other I went from Buddhist to Christian, through repentance and prayer. I know not all Christians have had this intense conversion. I don't think those who haven't are less Christian, but this is how it was for me. For me repentance came first, then rebirth. I can point out the exact day and time (well didn't look at the watch, but if I did) when my rebirth happened.

Of course I did away with all the Buddhist stuff as well, yoga mats, meditation pillows, New Age books and music...
 
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Let me give you brothers and sisters two short stories.

A man, born again, living his whole life for God. One day he accidently drives into a parked car. There is a huge bump in that brand new Mercedes. This is going to be expensive! This will make his lousy ecomomy even worse. What's his wife going to say? He looks arround no one there. That owner must be loaded with money anyway. He drives off home. That night he finds himself with guilt and shame. He has harmed someone's propery, yes in sense stolen, he realize. Then he prays to God for forgiveness, deciding such a thing never will happen again. He continues living for God, like he always has.

Now, is this repentance?
If the Man never commits this act again...I would say he repented of this particular action.....Not a general repentance, I believe the OP is talking about. ...repentance from "sin"

I do not believe, that one, born from above, would be in this situation....nor would they be ok with just forgeting about the damage they caused to another.

There is a born again woman, living her whole life for God. One day she meets a Christian man, falls in love. They become a couple and she wants to marry him. After a year and still no marriage they end up in bed together. This was not how things supposed to be. Weeks go by and they end up in bed together again... and again. This goes on for months. Then she comes to her senses. She realizes she has been living in fornication. She asks God for forgiveness. That same day she talks to the man. Let's set a date for marriage. The big day is set for two months later. She makes every effort to avoid putting her in situations where she is tempted. Commited to God she successfully waits until marriage. She is again living faithfully.

Is this repentance?

No it isnt......This situation is another that one, born again, wouldnt be caught it. Im not saying what is sin or what isnt....Im talking about the fact that the person felt it was sin and wrong and continued to do so.

Do you see a difference from the story of the man and the woman?

These seem to be examples of two sinners sinning......and not that related to the one , born again,, as mentioned in the OP.

There has to be a difference between a sinner and one born again......other than the fact that one believes there sins are covered and therefore, of no consequence to him.
 
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Doesn"t that mean that a born again believer has started living in sin again? Is there need for repentance from an occational sin? Of course we need to ask for forgiveness, but repent? Doesn't repent mean change direction in life?

I think because we often stumble in sin repentance is an ongoing situation not a one time event.
 
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What Bible verses do you base your answer on?
Can one born again repent? No.

If repenting means to turn away from something......to repent a second time would be to turn back to the thing you turned away from in the first repentance.

I believe this is a one time thing, started by our faith and finished by the will of God......concluding in a rebirth... After which, there is no turning back

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;"
 
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No it isnt......This situation is another that one, born again, wouldnt be caught it. Im not saying what is sin or what isnt....Im talking about the fact that the person felt it was sin and wrong and continued to do so.

Actutally the womans story happened to me. I didn't get marry though, we broke up. Then I have never been born again...? Hm...
 
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Actutally the womans story happened to me. I didn't get marry though, we broke up. Then I have never been born again...? Hm...
Well, in that case, if it happened to you, then i guess its ok. I would not consider myself, however, having reached my goal when this happens to me. It would be a reminder that I am not where I should be...and there is work still left to be done.
 
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Well, in that case, if it happened to you, then i guess its ok. I would not consider myself, however, having reached my goal when this happens to me. It would be a reminder that I am not where I should be...and there is work still left to be done.

Never said it was ok... Just saying being born again doesn't make you bulletproof.
 
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Never said it was ok... Just saying being born again doesn't make you bulletproof.
I guess that would depend on ones definition of born again......and whether or not it is a process done by the creation, or by the creator.

What do you have to say about post 46?
 
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What Bible verses do you base your answer on?

Christ give us grace to repent, not to indulge in sin. Repentance is the lifestyle of any true follower of Christ.

I had heard that when the Apollo program was underway, every launch required course adjustments every 10 minutes to make it to the moon.

This is Christian repentance. We have to make frequent course adjustments to stay on track with Christ.
 
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I guess that would depend on ones definition of born again......and whether or not it is a process done by the creation, or by the creator.

What do you have to say about post 46?

I think that is about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
 
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Doesn"t that mean that a born again believer has started living in sin again? Is there need for repentance from an occational sin? Of course we need to ask for forgiveness, but repent? Doesn't repent mean change direction in life?

A Biblical Case For Repentance:

At the heart, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance means, "Asking God for forgiveness" (Which of course naturally then leads to the "fruits of repentance", i.e. obedience to the Lord):

Important Note: While I may believe "Repentance" does involve to a certain degree a "change of mind" (like a person changing their mind about their old life of sin), I do not think "Repentance" exclusively means a “change of mind.”

Anyways, here are my ten points using Scripture showing that "repentance" means "asking God for forgiveness of sin."

#1. Acts 2:38,
The New Living Translation says in Acts 2:38 to "repent of your sins."
Douay Reheims says in Acts 2:38 to "Do penance."
New Life Version says in Acts 2:38 to "Be sorry for your sins"

#2. Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

#3. Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).

#4. Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).

#5. We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

#6. Ezekiel 14:6 says,
"Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;" Repent makes the most sense here if a person is asking God for forgiveness by way of prayer instead of a person just believing in God. Naturally a person believes in God as their Savior if they are planning on forsaking their idols.

#7. We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

"I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).

In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10.

#8. Luke 10:13 says,
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." This rules out the theory that repentance is exclusively forsaking sin. Granted, forsaking sin always follow true repentance (Asking God for forgiveness of one's sins) but forsaking sin is not repentance. The word "repented" here is describing a one time event because they "repented", sitting in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:6 we learn that the King of Nineveh sat in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:8, the King of Nineveh tells people to put on sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God (i.e. repentance): and then turn from their evil way (i.e. the fruits of repentance).

#9. John the Baptist says we are to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance (Luke 3:8). Fruits are deeds (or obedience to God). How can repentance be the same thing as the fruit? Is the fruit the same thing as the tree?

#10. Jeremiah 8:6 says, "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle." Here we see the word "repented of wickedness" tied with the words, "What have I done?" This is an acknowledgement of one's sin to God as a part of asking His forgiveness.


Notable Additional Verses that Deal with Repentance
(But They Do Not Use The Word "Repent" or "Repentance"):

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
(Romans 10:13).

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14).

Proverbs 28:13 says whosoever confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
 
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I think that is about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
So when you read "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;"

you feel that you can replace it with "If they shall blaspheme the holy spirit, to renew them again unto repentance;"????

And If you believe this, you must also believe that to there is a single then that you can do, while alive, that will render you doomed for the rest of your life, with no chance of repentance right? Maybe a sentence spoken once, or a single action? Because this verse seems to be talking about doing something while in the flesh.
 
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So when you read "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;"

you feel that you can replace it with "If they shall blaspheme the holy spirit, to renew them again unto repentance;"????

And If you believe this, you must also believe that to there is a single then that you can do, while alive, that will render you doomed for the rest of your life, with no chance of repentance right? Maybe a sentence spoken once, or a single action? Because this verse seems to be talking about doing something while in the flesh.

I believe that yes. Basically! The one action you can't do is renouncing your faith while knowing exactly what you are doing and the consequence. Then the Holy Spirit won't come back, because you have crucified Christ anew. That's what I believe.
 
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I believe salvation consists of two parts. First part is being born again. Second part is continuing in an obedience/love/faith relationship with God. The first is of no use without the other and the other can't be done without the first. We could discuss this in another thread if you. like since this is OT.

The thread itself is a testament to the fact that the belief lies in the fact that one time is enough. Repentance is a lifelong process never just one, that idea that repentance is just once is an evangelical myth.
 
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The thread itself is a testament to the fact that the belief lies in the fact that one time is enough. Repentance is a lifelong process never just one, that idea that repentance is just once is an evangelical myth.

I don't know about the thread. I believe in a two part salvation like I described. Be born again and continue in faith til the end. If you don't continue walking in faith you will be cut off the vine, but how can you walk in faith without having repented of your old life, being born again?

Don't you have the concept of being born again in your church? Jesus tells Nicodemus about this.

John 3:7
"Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.'"
 
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Well, in that case, if it happened to you, then i guess its ok. I would not consider myself, however, having reached my goal when this happens to me. It would be a reminder that I am not where I should be...and there is work still left to be done.

Why this happened in my life a long story I won't share now. Of course I wish it never happened! What I can do is make sure something like that never happens again. We have to put on the whole armour of God. Satan is walking around like a roaring lion.
 
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You want to know why I started this thread? Some time ago I was praying and the Holy Spirit talked to me. The Spirit said one word: "Repent!" I was praying about something completely else so I was surprised. I'm not sure exactly where to start or what to repent from. But I have made some changes in my life. I'm trying to understand what repentance really mean, and what the Holy Spirit meant.
 
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