You need to have a plant-based diet to be saved?

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 28, 2019

tall73 said:
It is possible to obtain the protein from plant-based sources. However, you have to use combinations to get the various amino-acids.

https://www.google.com/search?clien.......1.........0i71j0i22i30j33i160.5RnYkDB4mxg

AlexDTX · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

A plant based diet will save you from obesity. It will make you healthier. But it has no impact on our eternal salvation.

Maria Billingsley · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

The SDA's hold to the vegetarian view.This may be an extreme case of pushing the envelope.

Redwingfan9 · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

Anyone claiming this is a heretic. We are saved through grace alone by faith alone, not through any act we commit. Beyond that, scripture talks quite openly of eating meat so any claim that we can't eat meat is erroneous.

Aussie Pete · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

Absolutely not. Jesus ate fish. So did His disciples. Meat eating was permitted from Noah's time. We have been given teeth that can handle both meat and plant based foods. Our metabolism is also able to cope. Christians are free to choose what to eat. Read Colossians. It has a bit to say about the subject.

S.O.J.I.A. · Aug 28, 2019

he's wrong,

next...

Mountainmanbob · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

Maybe he hasn't read the Bible?
Lot of meat eating going on.

Maybe that's when BBQ was invented?
M-Bob

tulc · Aug 28, 2019

...I think the only plant that's necessary is this one:

tulc(is just sayn') :sorry:

Mountainmanbob · Aug 28, 2019

tall73 said:
When the God of Israel brought his people out of Egypt, he withheld flesh-meats from them in a great measure, but gave them bread from heaven, and water from the flinty rock. With this they were not satisfied. They loathed the food given them, and wished themselves back in Egypt, where they could sit by the flesh-pots. They preferred to endure slavery, and even death, rather than to be deprived of flesh. God granted their desire, giving them flesh, and leaving them to eat till their gluttony produced a plague, from which many of them died. {CTBH 44.1}

Example after example might be cited to show the effects of yielding to appetite. It seemed a small matter to our first parents to transgress the command of God in that one act, -- the eating from a tree that was so beautiful to the sight and so pleasant to the taste, -- but it broke their allegiance to God, and opened the gates to a flood of guilt and woe that has deluged the world {CTBH 44.2}

It is impossible for those who give the reins to appetite to attain to Christian perfection. The moral sensibilities of your children cannot be easily aroused, unless you are careful in the selection of their food. Many a mother sets a table that is a snare to her family. Flesh-meats, butter, cheese, rich pastry, spiced foods, and condiments are freely partaken of by both old and young. These things do their work in deranging the stomach, exciting the nerves, and enfeebling the intellect. The
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blood-making organs cannot convert such things into good blood. The grease cooked in the food renders it difficult of digestion. The effect of cheese is deleterious. Fine-flour bread does not impart to the system the nourishment that is to be found in unbolted wheat bread. Its common use will not keep the system in the best condition. Spices at first irritate the tender coating of the stomach, but finally destroy the natural sensitiveness of this delicate membrane. The blood becomes fevered, the animal propensities are aroused, while the moral and intellectual powers are weakened, and become servants to the baser passions. The mother should study to set a simple yet nutritious diet before her family. . . . {CTBH 46.3}

God has furnished man with abundant means for the gratification of an unperverted appetite. He has spread before him the products of the earth, -- a bountiful variety of food that is palatable to the taste and nutritious to the system. Of these our benevolent heavenly Father says we may freely eat. Fruits, grains, and vegetables, prepared in a simple way, free from spice and grease of all kinds, make, with milk or cream, the most healthful diet. They impart nourishment to the body, and give a power of endurance and a vigor of intellect that are not produced by a stimulating diet. {CTBH 47.1}

Those who use flesh-meats freely, do not always have an unclouded brain and an active intellect, because the use of the flesh of animals tends to cause a grossness of body, and to benumb the finer sensibilities of the mind. The liability to disease is increased by flesh-eating. We do not hesitate to say that meat is not essential to the maintenance of health and strength. {CTBH 47.2}

Those who subsist largely upon meat, cannot avoid sometimes eating flesh which is more or less diseased. In many cases the process of fitting animals for market produces an unhealthy condition. Shut away from light and pure air, inhaling the atmosphere of filthy stables, the entire body soon becomes contaminated with foul matter; and when such flesh is received into the
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human body, it corrupts the blood, and disease is produced. If the person already has impure blood, this unhealthful condition will be greatly aggravated. But few can be made to believe that it is the meat they have eaten which has poisoned their blood and caused their suffering. Many die of diseases wholly due to meat-eating, when the real cause is scarcely suspected by themselves or others. Some do not immediately feel its effects, but this is no evidence that it does not hurt them. It may be doing its work surely upon the system, yet for the time being the victim may realize nothing of it. {CTBH 47.3}

Pork, although one of the most common articles of diet, is one of the most injurious. God did not prohibit the Hebrews from eating swine's flesh merely to show his authority, but because it is not a proper article of food for man. God never created the swine to be eaten under any circumstances. It is impossible for the flesh of any living creature to be healthful when filth is its natural element, and when it feeds upon every detestable thing. {CTBH 48.1}

It is not the chief end of man to gratify his appetite. There are physical wants to be supplied; but because of this is it necessary that man shall be controlled by appetite? Will the people who are seeking to become holy, pure, refined, that they may be introduced into the society of heavenly angels, continue to take the life of God's creatures, and enjoy their flesh as a luxury? From what the Lord has shown me, this order of things will be changed, and God's peculiar people will exercise temperance in all things. {CTBH 48.2}

In order to preserve health, temperance in all things is necessary, -- temperance in labor, temperance in eating and drinking. Our heavenly Father sent the light of health reform to guard against the evils resulting from a debased appetite, that those who love purity and holiness may know how to use with discretion the good things he has provided for them, and that by exercising temperance in daily life, they may be sanctified through the truth. {CTBH 52.1}

At general meetings and camp-meetings we should have good, wholesome, nourishing food, prepared in a simple manner. We should not turn these seasons into occasions for feasting. If we appreciate the blessings of God, if we are feeding on the bread of life, we will not be much concerned about gratifying the appetite. The great burden of our thoughts will be, How is it with my soul? There will be such a longing for spiritual food, -- something which will impart spiritual strength, -- that we will not complain if the diet is plain and simple. {CTBH 52.2}

God requires the body to be rendered a living sacrifice to him, not a dead or a dying sacrifice. The offerings of the ancient Hebrews were to be without blemish, and will it be pleasing to God to accept a human offering that is filled with disease and corruption? He tells us that our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost; and he requires us to take care of this temple, that it may be a fit habitation for his Spirit. The apostle
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Paul gives us this admonition: "Ye are not your own; for ye are bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's." [1 COR. 6:19, 20.] All should be very careful to preserve the body in the best condition of health, that they may render to God perfect service, and do their duty in the family and in society. {CTBH 52.3}

It is as truly a sin to violate the laws of our being as it is to break the ten commandments. To do either is to break God's laws. Those who transgress the law of God in their physical organism, will be inclined to violate the law of God spoken from Sinai. {CTBH 53.1}

Our Saviour warned his disciples that just prior to his second coming a state of things would exist very similar to that which preceded the flood. Eating and drinking would be carried to excess, and the world would be given up to pleasure. This state of things does exist at the present time. The world is largely given up to the indulgence of appetite; and the disposition to follow worldly customs will bring us into bondage to perverted habits, -- habits that will make us more and more like the doomed inhabitants of Sodom. I have wondered that the inhabitants of the earth were not destroyed, like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. I see reason enough for the present state of degeneracy and mortality in the world. Blind passion controls reason, and every high consideration is, with many, sacrificed to lust. {CTBH 53.2}

To keep the body in a healthy condition, in order that all parts of the living machinery may act harmoniously, should be a study of our life. The children of God cannot glorify him with sickly bodies or dwarfed minds. Those who indulge in any species of intemperance, either in eating or drinking, waste their physical energies and weaken moral power. {CTBH 53.3}

The apostle Peter understood the relation between the mind and the body, and raised his voice in warning to his brethren: "Dearly beloved, I beseech you, as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against
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the soul." [1 PETER 2:11.] Many regard this text as a warning against licentiousness only; but it has a broader meaning. It forbids every injurious gratification of appetite or passion. Every perverted appetite becomes a warring lust. Appetite was given us for a good purpose, not to become the minister of death by being perverted, and thus degenerating into "lusts which war against the soul." Peter's admonition is a most direct and forcible warning against the use of all stimulants and narcotics. These indulgences may well be classed among the lusts that exert a pernicious influence upon moral character. {CTBH 53.4}

When Paul wrote, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly," [1 THESS. 5: 23.] he did not exhort his brethren to aim at a standard which it was impossible for them to reach; he did not pray that they might have blessings which it was not the will of God to give. He knew that all who would be fitted to meet Christ in peace, must possess a pure and holy character. {CTBH 54.1}

The strength of the temptation to indulge appetite can be measured only by the inexpressible anguish of our Redeemer in that long fast in the wilderness. He knew that the indulgence of perverted appetite would so deaden man's perceptions that sacred things could not be discerned. Adam fell by the indulgence of appetite; Christ overcame by the denial of appetite. And our only hope of regaining Eden is through firm self-control. If the power of indulged appetite was so strong upon the race, that, in order to break its hold, the divine Son of God, in man's behalf, had to endure a fast of nearly six weeks, what a work is before the Christian! Yet, however great the struggle, he may overcome. By the help of that divine power which withstood the fiercest temptations that Satan could invent, he too may be entirely successful in his warfare with evil, and at last may wear the victor's crown in the kingdom of God. {CTBH 54.2}

I agree with your post
but, honestly
if I read all that
I would be late for dinner.

M-Bob

devin553344 · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

This is a simple scriptural understanding.

1. Adam and Eve were commanded to eat herb and fruit for meat. They fell.

2. Then it was instituted the Passover feast and burnt offerings for meat. This was symbolic of the Lamb of God.

3. Jesus came, The Lamb of God, and gave bread and wine for his body and blood.

4. Revelation talks about a new society where fruit is produced every month for food.

So it is easy to say, Jesus took us back to Adam and Eve's commandment from God to eat herb and fruit. I personally didn't jump the gun and haven't stopped eating meat. But I wonder if after the resurrection there will be meat? Not unless you're killing something that's alive, thinks and has a nervous system.

Wow that was interesting, thanks

CharismaticLady · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Here is a potion of my comment here:

let’s look at a potion of Romans 14:

“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.” — Romans 14:1-4 (ESV)

Here the Apostle Paul is speaking to the church members in Rome. Apparently, some of the members ate meat were looking down on those that did not eat meat and vice versa. Paul identities the believers that are “weak” in faith as those who are unable to eat meat and only consumed vegetables. Paul isn’t using the term “weak” as a negative term but rather a descriptive one. He refers to people that are “weak” as those that were unable to give up certain practices they held before when coming to Christ. And was likely referring to the Jewish Christians in Rome. In other words, some of the”strong” thought that their “weak” brothers and sisters were overly sensitive and scrupulous. Paul’s point here was that the “strong” Christians should not look at their “weak” brothers and sisters with contempt because they only ate vegetables. And that the “weak” believers should not look down on the “strong” for being too libertarian.

If we go onward to chapter 15 we see that the “weak” are contrasted with the “strong”. And based on the wording, the goal is actually for the “weak” to become like the “strong” (being able to exercise their new found freedom in Christ). He tells the members they have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak (KJV uses word infirmities). Paul also identifies himself with the strong noticed how he uses the word “we” at the start of the verse:

“We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.” — Romans 15:1 (ESV)

Ultimately, Paul did not want division in the church over matters that weren’t central to one’s salvation. In verse 20 of chapter 14 he writes, “Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.”

I find it very hard to see how a plant-based diet is required for one’s salvation when the Apostle Paul’s view on eating or not eating meat seems to be so nonchalant. Are there suddenly some “new” requires for salvation today that weren’t in place 2000 years ago? To quote a popular phrase by Paul, “By no means”.

I think this quotation best sums up what Paul is saying in Romans chapters 14 & 15:

“The old taboos on certain ceremonial foods were no longer in force. Jesus taught that it is not what goes into the mouth that makes a person unclean but what comes out (Matt 15:10–11, 16–20). Nevertheless, Paul was concerned with the affect of this new freedom on the lives of those Christians who still felt that in some way the regulations of Judaism were not totally obsolete. Although no food is unclean in itself, if someone regards it as unclean, then for that person it is. We must be careful not to generalize on the principle expressed in this teaching. Paul was not saying that sin is a matter of personal opinion. He was not teaching that as long as we think something is okay it is okay for us. Scripture clearly teaches that certain things are wrong. There are, however, other matters about which there may be legitimate differences of opinion. They are secondary issues about which Christians may be of differing persuasions. In such cases “strong” believers are to be willing, as an expression of Christian love, to allow the sensitivities of the “weak” to condition how they live.
If a Christian brother, unable to enjoy the freedom that is yours, is troubled by your “unrestricted diet” (Phillips) and you persist in eating whatever you wish, you are no longer acting in the spirit of love (v. 15).” — Mounce, R. H. (1995). Romans (Vol. 27, pp. 255–256). Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers.

Just stay with the Word of God.

What is interesting is that God did originally have both man and animals on a vegetarian diet. And only clean animals were killed as sacrifices to God as sin offerings. But meat was not introduced by God in our diet until after the flood when we and animals could eat anything that moves. Then when God gave man His laws, He wanted to separate the Jews from other nations, and gave them dietary restrictions where they could only eat the same type of animals that were given to God. But were not to eat animals that represented the pagan nations. They were considered "unclean." Finally, when the gospel was freed up to be given to the Gentiles too, then the restrictions on meat also changed back to the time of Noah, and there was no longer any meat that was considered unclean and a sin to eat.

His student · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
You need to have a plant-based diet to be saved?

It does appear that on the New Earth the inhabitants will need a plant-based diet to live forever. It's called the Tree of Life- just like in the original Garden of Eden.

"...on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month." Revelation 22:2

Other than that possibility - diet has nothing to do with whether men will inhabit God's Kingdom either in this age or in the age to come.

DamianWarS · Aug 28, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
The Pastor was most likely a looney. There is simply no reason to say such a ridiculous thing. Would Jesus have fed a multitude with fish if it meant they were all condemned to hell for eating it?

Jesus is confirmed to eat fish himself too. Although I'm sure he ate all the foods in a normal Jewish diet

Sabertooth · Aug 28, 2019

I am of the opinion that, while there is no dietary requirements or limitations in Christianity, a kosher diet may prove to be the most healthful. (Kosher leans vegetarian in the absence of kosher meats.)

It is the same regard that I hold for hand-washing. Jesus made it clear that it had no spiritual value, whatsoever, but we now know that it is a really, really, really good idea.

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 28, 2019

I am reminded of what Jesus said, "We are not defiled by what goes into our mouth, but by what comes out of it."

Sketcher · Aug 28, 2019

Paul directly spoke against people who require abstention from certain foods in 1 Timothy 4:1-6.

charsan · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

That guy is a nut! To be saved St. Peter said "To repent and be Baptized. Honestly what some outrageous things some evangelicals with say. Just don't believe everything you see in a video on youtube

joshua 1 9 · Aug 28, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
plant-based diet.

Everyone knows we need to eat healthy. As a general rule rich people live longer because they can afford to eat more healthy food compared to poor people.

Kenny'sID · Aug 28, 2019

Nutty vegan whack job preacher...what a combo.

No scriptural verification at all, and this is somewhere along the lines of how they drew their concussion for Saturday worship being a decider on whether we get into heaven or not.

In order to reach those conclusions the truth had to be stretched so tight that they broke it.

tall73 · Aug 28, 2019

Akita Suggagaki said:
https://www.google.com/search?clien.......1.........0i71j0i22i30j33i160.5RnYkDB4mxg

From your own article:

Meeting your needs for all essential amino acids is essentially foolproof if you eat moderate amounts of meat or dairy.
Meeting your needs for all essential amino acids on a plant-only diet is easy but not foolproof.
This is because the ‘weakest link’ for plant-based proteins is weaker than the weakest link for dairy and meat proteins.

He advises eating a variety of whole foods.

You need to have a plant-based diet to be saved?

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