Yes we need to 'do something about mass shootings..

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I think absentee parents are a big issue but I think there can be two parents at home and the same thing can happen because they are also absent in various ways. Archbishop Chaput wrote an insightful article about this not too long ago. I'll see if I can dig it up.
 
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So ... you, I assume, will raise your child not to be a mass shooter.

What are you going to about what goes on in the homes of others ?
George Bush the elder addressed this repeatedly during his presidency as the
breakdown of the American family. It fell upon deaf ears unfortunately. People made fun of him and glorified single parenthood and divorce, this is when the era of ‘don’t stay together because of kids.. do what’s best for you’ mentality started to thrive. It’s been down hill ever since. What do I plan to do? Be a good example of marriage, and that’s what you should do too. Stick it out even when things are rough, it’s worth it in the end. (cases of abuse excluded for the person who will inevitably chime in with this oft quoted example as the rule and not the exception) What I think should NOT be done is get the government involved, as that never works.
 
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Only a fool can believe that "gun control" will solve the problem of mass violence. The people using the guns in these loathsome incidents are moral agents with twisted hearts. And the twisting is done by the culture of sexual anarchy, personal excess, political hatreds, intellectual dishonesty, and perverted freedoms that we've systematically created over the past half century...

-Archbishop Chaput
 
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Fifty years ago, my Dad was talking with a salesman who had come in to the garage my Dad used to run. They got to talking about the shootings current at the time, and my Dad said, "The way I'd solve this problem is simple. Beginning at the age of seven years, every American schoolchild, boys and girls both, would begin training with weapons---one hour, every day, while they're in school. You start out with BB guns, and then you gradually move up to .22's, and then by the fifth grade or so, they move up to 20-gauge shotguns and such. All of this would be taught by qualified instructors, and the kids have to pass the instruction before they can graduate. By the time they leave high school, they should have had extensive training with rifles, shotguns, pistols---both revolvers and automatics---and you could even throw in crossbows and bows and arrows, or even light machine guns, if you're so inclined. Then, at their 18th birthday, they should presented with a qualified shooter's certificate along with their diploma, and they should then be required to carry a registered handgun at all times."

The salesman stared at Dad for a minute and said, "My God, man! Do you have any idea how many fruit loops you'd have out there carrying guns?!?", and Dad shrugged and replied, "Not in six months. They'd all be dead."

Think about it. They way things are right now, if there are forty people standing in a bank and a criminal comes in with a weapon and yells, "Everybody on the floor, now!", what happens? Everybody goes onto the floor; there's a police standoff, things drag out for hours, and innocent people may or may not end up getting killed by the perp. On the other hand, if a criminal with a weapon walks into a bank and yells, "Everybody on the floor, now!", and he's met with forty people pointing weapons at him and replying, "Say what?", what's going to happen?

Well, for one thing, the criminal, unless he's really out there, is going to give up the idea of robbing the bank. Or, if he goes ahead, there is absolutely no possible way he's ever going to leave the building alive. Same thing for sporting events, for concerts, for college campuses, and yes, for public schools. If a nut comes in with a weapon, he may very well start busting caps, but he's going to be dead before he can do the type of damage that these mass shooters do now.

I know it's a radical concept. The idea of every single citizen in America packing a gun at all times, everywhere, is a very disturbing one to a lot of people. Understandably so. But under my Dad's idea, those weapons would be handled safely and efficiently by people extensively trained to handle them; it would remove the mystique and glamor associated with weapons among people who know little to nothing about them; there would be much less chance of accidental shootings due to unfamiliarity with weapons; and crime would nose-dive because nobody is going to be stupid enough to walk into McDonald's and start shooting when there's 30 people in the place with enough lethal force to turn him into a riddled corpse within 90 seconds. You could, of course, have options put in place for people who wish to forego the program---Amish folks, or Catholic religious, or well-meaning but misguided neo-hippies who think if you bestow enough good vibes and displays of love and fellowship to the starving tiger, then he won't eat you.

I don't know. But I do know this: what we're doing now ain't working. That, I do know.
 
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And for those who reason that if there were no guns there wouldn't be any mass shootings, a ban is only the first step. You then have to round up all the guns people already have. The criminals won't give up theirs willingly, and there's a few million otherwise law-abiding people who would see this as the first step in establishing a totalitarian government, so you would have a civil war on your hands. After winning said war, you then have to figure out how to stop more guns from coming in to the country. Good luck with that when we can't even keep people out (so now you're OK with a border wall). And did I mention that the drug cartels and gangs would still be armed?
 
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And for those who reason that if there were no guns there wouldn't be any mass shootings, a ban is only the first step. You then have to round up all the guns people already have. The criminals won't give up theirs willingly, and there's a few million otherwise law-abiding people who would see this as the first step in establishing a totalitarian government, so you would have a civil war on your hands. After winning said war, you then have to figure out how to stop more guns from coming in to the country. Good luck with that when we can't even keep people out (so now you're OK with a border wall). And did I mention that the drug cartels and gangs would still be armed?

Banning guns is ridiculous. Britain imposed a total ban on handguns back in 1997. Their gun crime rate dropped---but they have seen an exponential rise in the rate of stabbings and knife crimes at the same time. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured nearly 700 more, and he didn't use a gun at all---he used agricultural fertilizer and #2 fuel oil. The 9/11 hijackers killed 3,000 people and injured 6,000 more, and they didn't use guns either---they used pepper spray and box cutters to gain control of the aircraft, then used the aircraft themselves as weapons of mass destruction.

Bottom line? If you ban guns, they will use knives. If you ban knives, they will use hammers. If you ban hammers, they will use rocks. How you gonna ban rocks? The problem is the mindset of the criminal, not the weapon he uses. You can ban virtually everything you think a perp might use to kill somebody, and he will still come up with ways to do it. He can run buses off the road. He can erect blockades on highways in the middle of the night. He can bludgeon somebody to death with a frozen turkey leg, then cook the evidence and eat it. Until we address the reasons why somebody wants to commit homicide, rather than trying to control the means they use to do the job, nothing will change.
 
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