ajcarey

Well-Known Member
Jun 3, 2019
486
445
Midwest
✟46,967.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Let me ask you a question then. God has obviously given women the gift of prophesying, which is described for us in 1 Co. 14, and obviously women in the NT did prophesy in public, and we are all encouraged to prophesy, and prophecy is for the church, for the building up of the body of Christ. The church, as well, is believers in Jesus Christ. We, the people of God, are the church. So, if women can't prophecy in the church (the collective body of Christ), and prophecy is for the church, for the building up of the body of Christ, then where can they prophesy which will be for the building up of the body of Christ? Where do you think they prophesied in the New Testament?

Among other Christian women when the Saints were conversing informally outside of the formal church meeting. And this both would have provided opportunities which the formal gathering of the church would not have provided and also been the majority of the time that the Saints would have been in each other's presence since it was so normal (and still ought to be) for Saints to be in each other's presence outside of the formal meeting. Many passages of Scripture imply this reality.
 
Upvote 0

Christsfreeservant

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Aug 10, 2006
14,955
3,824
74
Rock Hill, SC
Visit site
✟1,356,578.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Among other Christian women when the Saints were conversing informally outside of the formal church meeting. And this both would have provided opportunities which the formal gathering of the church would not have provided and also been the majority of the time that the Saints would have been in each other's presence since it was so normal (and still ought to be) for Saints to be in each other's presence outside of the formal meeting. Many passages of Scripture imply this reality.
Thank you!
 
  • Friendly
Reactions: ajcarey
Upvote 0

yeshuaslavejeff

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Jan 6, 2005
39,944
11,098
okie
✟214,996.00
Faith
Anabaptist
As far as I know, from what I read in the New Testament, Jesus always treated women with high honor and respect.
Request for clarity on what you mean :
If your mother came to the house (or business building) you were in, and asked the crowd outside the house to ask you to come outside to be with your family,
and the word was passed in to you,
then
what would you yourself do to "treat her with high honor and respect" ?

Note that Yahushua does not treat His mother with high honor and respect in this case.
 
Last edited:
  • Useful
Reactions: Hazelelponi
Upvote 0

Christsfreeservant

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Aug 10, 2006
14,955
3,824
74
Rock Hill, SC
Visit site
✟1,356,578.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Request for clarity on what you mean :
If your mother came to the house (or business building) you were in, and asked the crowd outside the house to ask you to come outside to be with your family,
and the word was passed in to you,
then
what would you yourself do to "treat her with high honor and respect" ?

Note that Yahushua does not treat His mother with high honor and respect in this case.
I am assuming here that you are making reference to Mark 3:20-35. Jesus had just healed a man on the Sabbath and the Pharisees were now holding counsel on how they might destroy him. He had just performed miracles of healing and of delivering people from demons, and he had just called his twelve disciples to himself. And, crowds were gathering around him so much so that he and his disciples could not even eat.

And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “He is out of his mind.” And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.”

And, so Jesus was defending his actions to them, and he strongly warned them that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven them, for they were saying about Jesus that he had an "unclean spirit."

At this point, his mother and his brothers arrived to seize him, for they thought he was out of his mind. They intended to take him away from what he was called to do. And, he had a choice - go with his mother and brothers and let them remove him from his calling, or stay the course and follow his Father in Heaven in doing what he came to earth to do.

And he answered them, “Who are my mother and my brothers?” 34 And looking about at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.”

If you ask me to leave the ministry to which God has called me, and to stop speaking in the name of Jesus, and I tell you I must obey God rather than man, I am not showing you disrespect nor am I dishonoring you. It is just that I answer to a higher calling, and I must obey God, and I must keep speaking about Jesus and sharing his gospel. We can tell people "No" in a respectful way, and it is okay.

It is not disrespectful for me to disobey someone who is asking me to disobey God. Jesus' answer was not disrespectful. He was just letting his family know that he answered to a higher calling than theirs. And, if they wanted to be his family, they needed to follow him, and they needed to do his will. They were the ones guilty of disrespect, not Jesus.

For, he was and is God, which is what he declared by his statement about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in reference to them saying he had an unclean spirit.
 
Upvote 0

Julia Wintermantle

New Member
Aug 7, 2019
2
1
39
Berlin
✟15,312.00
Country
Germany
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I think this summarizes your post and it's a fair point. Prophesying and preaching are not the same though. When they speak of prophesying in the Bible they literally mean prophesying.

This topic has been attempted several times already but the feminists always crash the thread and beat their chest. Some members of this forum attend churches in which they actually allow women to take on positions of authority. The only churches in my area I know of which allow this kind of thing are New Age and apostate churches.


Discussing how society should operate and how women and men can create a peaceful and productive society together should be a positive space.

You use the term "feminist" as having negative connotations, what does it mean to you?
 
Upvote 0

Christsfreeservant

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Aug 10, 2006
14,955
3,824
74
Rock Hill, SC
Visit site
✟1,356,578.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
@Sue



Thank you for such thoughtful and considered thoughts. I think both men and women should respect and care for one another. Everyone has a role to play on God's earth :)
Julia, thank you. Glory to God! Yes! I so agree. And, we are to submit to one another, too, scripture teaches.
 
Upvote 0

Romans 8

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Feb 16, 2019
1,410
1,151
Canada
✟137,253.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Discussing how society should operate and how women and men can create a peaceful and productive society together should be a positive space.

You use the term "feminist" as having negative connotations, what does it mean to you?

Unfortunately, this isn't the debate forum Julia. Whenever men and women profess the obvious order of things in the bible, set up by God on the nature of men and women, the fangs come out. Perhaps you'd like to start your own thread on the topic in the debate arena and you'll see what I speak of. Feel free to pm me in the meantime, I'd be more than happy to clarify any points I've made here. God Bless!
 
Upvote 0

Esther Love

To God be The Glory!
Oct 25, 2019
5
1
34
Singapore
✟7,908.00
Country
Singapore
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Unfortunately, this isn't the debate forum Julia. Whenever men and women profess the obvious order of things in the bible, set up by God on the nature of men and women, the fangs come out. Perhaps you'd like to start your own thread on the topic in the debate arena and you'll see what I speak of. Feel free to pm me in the meantime, I'd be more than happy to clarify any points I've made here. God Bless!
Unfortunately, this isn't the debate forum Julia. Whenever men and women profess the obvious order of things in the bible, set up by God on the nature of men and women, the fangs come out. Perhaps you'd like to start your own thread on the topic in the debate arena and you'll see what I speak of. Feel free to pm me in the meantime, I'd be more than happy to clarify any points I've made here. God Bless!
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums