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the iconoclast · Jul 2, 2019

pitabread said:
Don't be silly. Creationists don't believe in gravity.

Hey hey pitabread

Creationist here!!!!!

VirOptimus · Jul 2, 2019

the iconoclast said:
"Evolution just is"
And
"Evolution is observed".

Statements with nothing to back em up.

Stop quotemining me.

I'm not responsible for your education.

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

pitabread said:
You finally figured it out, did ya?

When you confuse something as basic as RNA and DNA, it really doesn't bode well for anything you claim about biology.

Well just for the record, my hands are lousy with arthritis, and spell check is my best friend. If I don't see a word underlined, I usually don't recheck it! My most corrected word is the, I usually hit teh, so I have more than once swapped DNA and RNA and it slipped by.

But believe it if you wish or not!

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

pitabread said:
Don't be silly. Creationists don't believe in gravity.

Yeah I forgot! Before God breaks all hell loose on earth, we believers will defy gravity and soar to heaven without aid of wings or engines!

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

lasthero said:
You have no idea what RNA even is, do you?

Couse I do----Retired Navy Admirals!!! :wave:

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

Speedwell said:
That's about right. Evolution is a fact and the theory of evolution explains that fact. It is, like all scientific theories, a provisional explanation and although it has been substantially confirmed by the available evidence, it is possible (though remotely) that it could be overturned or substantially modified at any time by new evidence. All scientists know this, so any scientist who claims that the theory of evolution is absolute truth can be recognized as a fraud.

So they believe macro evolution is a fact, but they just can't demonstrate the explanation that supposedly explains the fact! WOW! Nice Orwellian speak there!

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

Speedwell said:
That's about right. Evolution is a fact and the theory of evolution explains that fact. It is, like all scientific theories, a provisional explanation and although it has been substantially confirmed by the available evidence, it is possible (though remotely) that it could be overturned or substantially modified at any time by new evidence. All scientists know this, so any scientist who claims that the theory of evolution is absolute truth can be recognized as a fraud.

What available evidence confirms that mutations caused all the biodiversity we see from a single self replicating life form????

It can be substantially modified or overturned as long as it doesn't involve creation or a Creator or proof that the universe is far younger than their failed chronometers tell us.

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

Astrophile said:
I take it that you also accept that the observed orbits of long-period comets show that they have come from the Oort cloud, at between 2000 and 20,000 AU from the Sun, and that they have been perturbed into near-Sun orbits, with periods between 30,000 and a million years, by gravitational interactions with passing stars and interstellar clouds.

Haven't studied all that, but I do know that teh supposed "oort" cloud is very hypothetical and as of now only exists on paper and formulae.

But as you brought up astronomy, let me ask you a question.

Evolutionary astronomers (yes they say the universe evolved in textbooks) say the universe is c. 13.8 byo.

We had a big bang that started space time and it expanded outward from that initial point. They say we are seeing light from galaxies 13.2 by ago out in deep space.

Explain to all of us how that galaxy 13. billion years ago could travel 20X the speed of light for 600,000,000 years, and while travelling at approx. 3,720,000 miles per second form lumps which became clumps which eventually became stars and then a galaxy and shine light 13.2 billion years ago (only supposedly 600,000,000 years after the big bang) that is just reaching us now.

Remember if that universe shone that light supposedly 13.2 billion years ago from that point in space time (wee know it has moved since then) how did it travel 13.2 billion light years from the big bang in 600 million years to get to that point in space time to shine that light we are just seeing now??? simple math says it had to travel at least 20X the speed of light and form a galaxy while travelling at warp 20 to get there.

Did Scotty modify the dilithium crystals?

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

pitabread said:
Out of curiosity, I looked her up and found this:

Georgia Purdom has been a Christian since the age of eight, when she accepted Christ at a youth camp [1]. After hearing Ken Ham speak as a student at Cedarville University (Ohio), Purdom became interested in creation studies. While working towards her Ph.D., Purdom's belief in the Bible was challenged by a professor who told her, "...creationists don't know how to think critically." This remark motivated her to research the evidence available for different viewpoints on the origins of life. While attending a BSG (A Creation Biology Study Group) Conference in 2001, she learned about the Hebrew word yom (meaning a 24-hour day), which is used repeatedly during the creation account in Genesis 1, and became convinced that the Biblical story of creation is true [2].

Well then how did she ever get her PHD from a secular university in genetics for daring to believe the bible is true as written?

also from Creation wiki for Dr. Purdom:

Georgia Purdom - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science

Purdom has written papers published in the Journal of Neuroscience, the Journal of Bone and Mineral Research, the Journal of Leukocyte Biology, the 2008 Proceedings of the International Conference on Creationism, and the Answers Research Journal. She is a peer reviewer for Creation Research Science Quarterly and Answers Research Journal. She also has memberships in several scientific organizations including the Creation Research Society, the American Society for Microbiology, and the American Society for Cell Biology.

Can you imagine? she has had peer reviewed and published research in the "acceptable" journals all the while they know here to be a YEC scientist!

And I guess she blows the lie that YEC ghas no peer review process!

Speedwell · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
What available evidence confirms that mutations caused all the biodiversity we see from a single self replicating life form????

It can be substantially modified or overturned as long as it doesn't involve creation or a Creator or proof that the universe is far younger than their failed chronometers tell us.

The age of the universe is an entirely different question which was settled before the theory of evolution was conceived of. And nobody cares if a creator is found to have been involved as long as there was evidence to back it up. You're still confusing dismissal of your interpretation of Genesis with denying a creator. Not the same thing at all.

pitabread · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
Well then how did she ever get her PHD from a secular university in genetics for daring to believe the bible is true as written?

You mean besides the fact that people are capable of learning things they may not intrinsically accept? That's not a new concept...

Can you imagine? she has had peer reviewed and published research in the "acceptable" journals all the while they know here to be a YEC scientist!

And? Nobody said that YECs can't do real science or publish things in real scientific journals.

It's just they aren't using their YECist beliefs to do so.

And I guess she blows the lie that YEC ghas no peer review process!

I already gave you an example (Answers Research Journal) of how YEC "peer review" = publishing things that agree with their preconceived notions of the Bible. That's not science. It's just religious propaganda.

pitabread · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
Yeah I forgot! Before God breaks all hell loose on earth, we believers will defy gravity and soar to heaven without aid of wings or engines!

I've noticed that a lot of creationists place hope in the end of world to "win" in the end. That's sad.

Speedwell · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
Haven't studied all that, but I do know that teh supposed "oort" cloud is very hypothetical and as of now only exists on paper and formulae.

Then get ready to change your story. The space probe Voyager 2 is approaching the Oort Cloud now.

46AND2 · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
Haven't studied all that, but I do know that teh supposed "oort" cloud is very hypothetical and as of now only exists on paper and formulae.

But as you brought up astronomy, let me ask you a question.

Evolutionary astronomers (yes they say the universe evolved in textbooks) say the universe is c. 13.8 byo.

We had a big bang that started space time and it expanded outward from that initial point. They say we are seeing light from galaxies 13.2 by ago out in deep space.

Explain to all of us how that galaxy 13. billion years ago could travel 20X the speed of light for 600,000,000 years, and while travelling at approx. 3,720,000 miles per second form lumps which became clumps which eventually became stars and then a galaxy and shine light 13.2 billion years ago (only supposedly 600,000,000 years after the big bang) that is just reaching us now.

Remember if that universe shone that light supposedly 13.2 billion years ago from that point in space time (wee know it has moved since then) how did it travel 13.2 billion light years from the big bang in 600 million years to get to that point in space time to shine that light we are just seeing now??? simple math says it had to travel at least 20X the speed of light and form a galaxy while travelling at warp 20 to get there.

Did Scotty modify the dilithium crystals?

Wow.

VirOptimus · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
So they believe macro evolution is a fact, but they just can't demonstrate the explanation that supposedly explains the fact! WOW! Nice Orwellian speak there!

.....

You really really dont understand what a scientific theory entails.

Herman Hedning · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
Evolutionary astronomers (yes they say the universe evolved in textbooks) say the universe is c. 13.8 byo.

We had a big bang that started space time and it expanded outward from that initial point. They say we are seeing light from galaxies 13.2 by ago out in deep space.

Explain to all of us how that galaxy 13. billion years ago could travel 20X the speed of light for 600,000,000 years, and while travelling at approx. 3,720,000 miles per second form lumps which became clumps which eventually became stars and then a galaxy and shine light 13.2 billion years ago (only supposedly 600,000,000 years after the big bang) that is just reaching us now.

Remember if that universe shone that light supposedly 13.2 billion years ago from that point in space time (wee know it has moved since then) how did it travel 13.2 billion light years from the big bang in 600 million years to get to that point in space time to shine that light we are just seeing now??? simple math says it had to travel at least 20X the speed of light and form a galaxy while travelling at warp 20 to get there.

Did Scotty modify the dilithium crystals?

You have to take into account that the universe is expanding, as evidenced by Hubble's law. Have a look at this Wikipedia page for more common misconceptions about the size of the universe: Observable universe - Wikipedia

HitchSlap · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
Well then how did she ever get her PHD from a secular university in genetics for daring to believe the bible is true as written?

also from Creation wiki for Dr. Purdom:

Georgia Purdom - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science

Purdom has written papers published in the Journal of Neuroscience, the Journal of Bone and Mineral Research, the Journal of Leukocyte Biology, the 2008 Proceedings of the International Conference on Creationism, and the Answers Research Journal. She is a peer reviewer for Creation Research Science Quarterly and Answers Research Journal. She also has memberships in several scientific organizations including the Creation Research Society, the American Society for Microbiology, and the American Society for Cell Biology.

Can you imagine? she has had peer reviewed and published research in the "acceptable" journals all the while they know here to be a YEC scientist!

And I guess she blows the lie that YEC ghas no peer review process!

Georgia hasn’t engaged in any scientific research post PhD. Currently, all she does is comment on current events with a creo disposition.

BTW, does anyone know what her PhD thesis was?

ArchieRaptor · Jul 2, 2019

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Is this it?

nolidad · Jul 2, 2019

HitchSlap said:
Georgia hasn’t engaged in any scientific research post PhD. Currently, all she does is comment on current events with a creo disposition.

BTW, does anyone know what her PhD thesis was?

don't know her thesis! Why don't you write her? she will answer.

And you are wrong- she still does lots of research as well as teaching and rebutting evolutionary genetic hypotheses.

From creation wiki:

Purdom graduated in 2000 from Ohio State University after earning her Ph.D. in molecular genetics [3]. Soon afterward, she became a biology professor at Mount Vernon Nazarene University in Ohio, where she was employed for six years [4]. Today, she works for Answers in Genesis as their first female full-time researcher and speaker who holds to the literal translation of the Bible (including the book of Genesis) and the belief in a young earth [

Speedwell · Jul 2, 2019

nolidad said:
don't know her thesis! Why don't you write her? she will answer.

And you are wrong- she still does lots of research as well as teaching and rebutting evolutionary genetic hypotheses.

From creation wiki:

Purdom graduated in 2000 from Ohio State University after earning her Ph.D. in molecular genetics [3]. Soon afterward, she became a biology professor at Mount Vernon Nazarene University in Ohio, where she was employed for six years [4]. Today, she works for Answers in Genesis as their first female full-time researcher and speaker who holds to the literal translation of the Bible (including the book of Genesis) and the belief in a young earth [

In other words, she is now a religious apologist and not a scientist.

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