Pope Francis Approves Change To Lord’s Prayer

redleghunter · Jun 4, 2019

Pope Francis finally approved the changes he has long wanted to implement to the Lord's Prayer by replacing "lead us not into temptation" with "do not let us fall into temptation," reports UCatholic.

"On May 22nd during the General Assembly of the Episcopal Conference of Italy, President Cardinal Gualtiero Bassetti announced the approval of a third edition of the Messale Romano," reports the outlet. The revised translation will include changes to the Lord’s Prayer and Gloria. The Lord’s Prayer will change from 'and lead us not into temptation' to 'do not let us fall into temptation.'"

Pope Francis first spoke of his desire to update the "lead us not into temptation" part of the Lord's Prayer, arguing that it portrays God in a false light. "A father does not lead into temptation, a father helps you to get up immediately," the Pope said at the time.

"It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," he added.

Remainder of the article here: Pope Francis Approves Change To Lord’s Prayer

Stranger36147 · Jun 4, 2019

Interesting.

Ken Rank · Jun 4, 2019

redleghunter said:
Pope Francis finally approved the changes he has long wanted to implement to the Lord's Prayer by replacing "lead us not into temptation" with "do not let us fall into temptation," reports UCatholic.

"On May 22nd during the General Assembly of the Episcopal Conference of Italy, President Cardinal Gualtiero Bassetti announced the approval of a third edition of the Messale Romano," reports the outlet. The revised translation will include changes to the Lord’s Prayer and Gloria. The Lord’s Prayer will change from 'and lead us not into temptation' to 'do not let us fall into temptation.'"

Pope Francis first spoke of his desire to update the "lead us not into temptation" part of the Lord's Prayer, arguing that it portrays God in a false light. "A father does not lead into temptation, a father helps you to get up immediately," the Pope said at the time.

"It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," he added.

Remainder of the article here: Pope Francis Approves Change To Lord’s Prayer

SIGH... if true that's a sad conclusion he has drawn. The son of God was allowed to be tempted while fasting and in a weakened state... God allowed this. I mean... just read Job!? The verse in Greek is literally, "bring/lead/carry us not into temptation/proving." I admit, we often lose some things in translation... but this isn't losing anything. This is deliberately changing something because your own view can't reconcile what is written? I don't know how this isn't a sin!

Shiloh Raven · Jun 4, 2019

How is this any different from the multiple of various Bible translations and biblical interpretations that are available? Do you know how many Bible translations in English BibleGateway.com provides?

GreekOrthodox · Jun 4, 2019

Even Luther's Small Catechism had to make a statement about this petition

The Sixth Petition
And lead us not into temptation.
What does this mean? God tempts no one. We pray in this petition that God would guard and keep us so that the devil, the world, and our sinful nature may not deceive us or mislead us into false belief, despair, and other great shame and vice. Although we are attacked by these things, we pray that we may finally overcome them and win the victory.

thecolorsblend · Jun 4, 2019

This is something I’ve wondered about for a pretty long time now. Translating an ancient language into a modern one is more of an art than a science so the Holy Father’s recommendation works as well as anything.

joymercy · Jun 4, 2019

I refuse to change the our father

lord have mercy upon us all!

(I cannot comprehend how in the world this is going to go over at mass, because there is mass every day of the week, rosary every day, bible studies and so much more.....really?!)

does he expect all of us to just up and change the words of jesus?

Shane R · Jun 4, 2019

A similar change was already implemented in the English Missal: Pope Francis Enacting Change to Lord’s Prayer: ‘Lead Us Not Into Temptation’

joymercy · Jun 4, 2019

Ken Rank said:
SIGH... if true that's a sad conclusion he has drawn. The son of God was allowed to be tempted while fasting and in a weakened state... God allowed this. I mean... just read Job!? The verse in Greek is literally, "bring/lead/carry us not into temptation/proving." I admit, we often lose some things in translation... but this isn't losing anything. This is deliberately changing something because your own view can't reconcile what is written? I don't know how this isn't a sin!

ken, maybe you can pm me or something, but I am confused often by whether or not god himself tempts us or causes us to fall or to suffer? so many say its not god but the devil that does that to us...but this op has me thinking about this topic...there is probably a thread about it somewhere.

lets not derail the op....just pm me with ideas. thoughts

GodsGrace101 · Jun 4, 2019

Ken Rank said:
SIGH... if true that's a sad conclusion he has drawn. The son of God was allowed to be tempted while fasting and in a weakened state... God allowed this. I mean... just read Job!? The verse in Greek is literally, "bring/lead/carry us not into temptation/proving." I admit, we often lose some things in translation... but this isn't losing anything. This is deliberately changing something because your own view can't reconcile what is written? I don't know how this isn't a sin!

How many persons do you think know Greek?

I agree with the change.
Persons (catholics) that don't study were always confused by this...especially kids.

AND, it doesn't change anything basic.
It's just more theologically understandable to everyone.

thecolorsblend · Jun 4, 2019

joymercy said:
I refuse to change the our father

lord have mercy upon us all!

(I cannot comprehend how in the world this is going to go over at mass, because there is mass every day of the week, rosary every day, bible studies and so much more.....really?!)

does he expect all of us to just up and change the words of jesus?

Our Lord prayed in English, did He?

Shiloh Raven · Jun 4, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
This is something I’ve wondered about for a pretty long time now. Translating an ancient language into a modern one is more of an art than a science so the Holy Father’s recommendation works as well as anything.

Pope Francis is correct because James 1:13-14 clearly states that God does not tempt us.

joymercy · Jun 4, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
Our Lord prayed in English, did He?

it was aramaic, right?

pm me if you want

thank you brother

Shimokita · Jun 4, 2019

joymercy said:
I refuse to change the our father

lord have mercy upon us all!

(I cannot comprehend how in the world this is going to go over at mass, because there is mass every day of the week, rosary every day, bible studies and so much more.....really?!)

does he expect all of us to just up and change the words of jesus?

LOL, you aren’t gonna be like one of those old folks still saying “And also with you” and throwing everyone else off are you?

crossnote · Jun 4, 2019

I take it he is changing the wording in his liturgical books but not the Scriptures?

timothyu · Jun 4, 2019

It is unfortunate that in setting aside the Hebrew influence in what became Gentile Christianity, that the purpose of the Tempter was left behind.

joymercy · Jun 4, 2019

someone mentioned job, so god did hurt him with the full intention of him being harmed to see if he would deny god?

I better leave this thread for now and pray, bc I'm too upset.

Thank you @redleghunter for a very interesting OP

Stranger36147 · Jun 4, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
Our Lord prayed in English, did He?

I always thought Jesus spoke in English. Then I watched The Passion Of The Christ and that made me rethink things.

timothyu · Jun 4, 2019

joymercy said:
does he expect all of us to just up and change the words of jesus?

Why not? The Kingdom was left behind and replaced by it's opposing world power and authourity long ago.

Shimokita · Jun 4, 2019

timothyu said:
Why not? The Kingdom was left behind and replaced by it's opposing world power and authourity long ago.

And so it begins!

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